Here's what's up

[cbk1994]

Over the past week, several players have been abusing a glitch in order to spawn money. They have since ruined the economy even further. The players have all been caught and banned.

In addition to the banning of these players, it was planned to roll back1 the server to last Sunday.

After speaking with a playerworld administrator, who confirmed that daily backups were kept for Era, we began to give out certain items in events or at unstick me as compensation for the roll back. Note that all of these items would have been destroyed once the roll back took place.

However, we found out after contacted by Stefan that daily backups are no longer kept. In fact, there are not even weekly or monthly backups available. The last backup available is from April, and it would have been very difficult for Stefan to obtain and restore. We also could not justify rolling the server back over a month.

For the past several years daily server backups have been available for all servers at request from Stefan. The decision made by Stefan to not make daily, weekly, or even monthly backups was made without our knowledge.

So the situation as it stands is that many players have spawned guns or items, and there is no way for us to remove them from these players.

For this reason, the only feasible thing for us to do right now is to reset. We are working at a feverish pace on the dev server and hope to finish it in the coming weeks so that we can reset.

We apologize sincerely for this inconvenience and hope that we can get this resolved as soon as possible.

[Herb_P2P]

its actually the most fun i've had in years

[LordSquirt]

Why don't you just close the server for a few days and start reversing the trades. I had to reverse hundreds of trades because all those glitches with the mall and etc. I knew I had to do it though because a rollback would just anger most of the players

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Why don't you just close the server for a few days and start reversing the trades. I had to reverse hundreds of trades because all those glitches with the mall and etc. I knew I had to do it though because a rollback would just anger most of the players

I'm all for this resolution. It'll be hard work, but better than going forward bringing plans ahead way sooner than they are ready for.

[cbk1994]

Closing the server for a "few days" and reversing trades isn't really worth it. The scale is much larger than you'd expect. Not only do trades need to be reversed to get rid of the items, but players were also dropping items at unstick me. Players also no doubt traded money for the spawned items.

I've disabled trading for now and will re-assess when I can be on later tonight.

[MrName]

Question, Will people who are banned for scamming/hacking/harassment/whatever be unbanned when this reset is?

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The players have all been caught and banned.

Nubs.

Well, I hope you guys will do a good job, right now my Gold is out, but maybe I will get Gold again when the Server is reset (yes ur all doomed).

[Komali]

I believe that Era is in need of a reset and I'm also confident that the current management can make the economy function properly.

[Eclipse]

era roools

[alskdjfhg]

The economy has always consisted of spawned items and cash. That's whats up! you're 3-4 years late, noob

[Deas_Voice]

bull****, you can't control economy, that's why there are ups and downs, all you can do is taxes and stuffs..

if realworld economics that works with economic of a country try to balance **** cant, why would you, a graal player, be able to do that in a game?

[kia345]

Remove all guns except the buyable shotgun, uzi, ak, and handgun.

Usher in a golden age.

[alskdjfhg]

Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

bull****, you can't control economy, that's why there are ups and downs, all you can do is taxes and stuffs..

if realworld economics that works with economic of a country try to balance **** cant, why would you, a graal player, be able to do that in a game?

Actually, if Era was bug free and ALL guns were sold in stores for a good price then Era wouldn't have to worry about economy. Money and guns would not be such an important object.

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by alskdjfhg

Actually, if Era was bug free and ALL guns were sold in stores for a good price then Era wouldn't have to worry about economy. Money and guns would not be such an important object.

Yeah, almost all guns should be available to players and 80% of the guns should be a reasonable price. Also player owned businesses need to go because that's one of the things that create a huge gap between the rich and the poor.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Cubical

Yeah, almost all guns should be available to players and 80% of the guns should be a reasonable price. Also player owned businesses need to go because that's one of the things that create a huge gap between the rich and the poor.

Not really, the richest players on Era didn't own a buisness. Most of the buisness owners weren't even that rich. They also don't make that much money, 10k-20k at the most a week. And buisnesses like Dairy Hut and Dippin Donuts have a hard time making 10k a week. Player owned businesses don't seem to be a problem to me, especially with the new system coming out (if it comes out)

[papajchris]

The only good idea to fix the economy that i've read on these forums was that Era should have all guns available and the store NPC's can buy back guns. That way theres a Maximum and a minimum amount a gun can be sold for.

Anyways, I agree with Komali, the staff team Era has imo is pretty smart and will find a way to resolve this in a way that there isn't to much damage done.

And @Name, i'd like to think not. Once Era resets, why would we want to allow the people who ruined the economy to come back and be allowed to do it again?

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by papajchris

The only good idea to fix the economy that i've read on these forums was that Era should have all guns available and the store NPC's can buy back guns. That way theres a Maximum and a minimum amount a gun can be sold for.

Anyways, I agree with Komali, the staff team Era has imo is pretty smart and will find a way to resolve this in a way that there isn't to much damage done.

And @Name, i'd like to think not. Once Era resets, why would we want to allow the people who ruined the economy to come back and be allowed to do it again?

I think they should unban most everyone that hasn't had anything to do with destroying the economy.

[MrName]

Originally Posted by Cubical

I think they should unban most everyone that hasn't had anything to do with destroying the economy.

That's what i meant, Like i was really bored on Era.. So i went up having fun with warping circles in unstick me, Chris vimes didnt ban me, tho this stupid GP did.. while i was just having fun, and new era sounds fun already so i wanna play

[Vman13x]

Originally Posted by Donark

Not really, the richest players on Era didn't own a buisness. Most of the buisness owners weren't even that rich. They also don't make that much money, 10k-20k at the most a week. And buisnesses like Dairy Hut and Dippin Donuts have a hard time making 10k a week. Player owned businesses don't seem to be a problem to me, especially with the new system coming out (if it comes out)

Actually Danny fiery has made 30-40k a week and that adds up which can make you rich. 40k in one week is a lot for one week.
Player owned businesses should just be npc owned.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Vman13x

Actually Danny fiery has made 30-40k a week and that adds up which can make you rich. 40k in one week is a lot for one week.
Player owned businesses should just be npc owned.

He did not make 40k a week, maybe ammo mart earned 40k, but at LEAST 20k of that went to the miners and stockers. And i'm pretty sure Ammo Mart almost never makes 40k a week.

[iRedemption]

Sell all of the guns in different shops, and allow the players who "race" for the most money to own them. The TOP guns should not go over 60k in this new Era.
Btw, what's going to happen with gangs Chris?

[Venom_Fish]

Might as well unban everyone, start a new. Either way, as premature as this reset is, it will be successful because everyone "wants" it to be successful... well everyone just wants it to come, which is enough. False promises will just jeopardize that, none of these solutions / speculations that have been the discussion for the past few years will ever see the light of day. Era was functional (fully), without them and will remain so. Every couple of years, Era will need a reset, its inevitable (its been like this). Reset isn't news to the server, just get on with it. Like we say on the ball courts after a hype-play, "LETS GOOOO!!!!".

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by MrName

That's what i meant, Like i was really bored on Era.. So i went up having fun with warping circles in unstick me, Chris vimes didnt ban me, tho this stupid GP did.. while i was just having fun, and new era sounds fun already so i wanna play

No matter what is happening on a server hacking is still illegal. Chris was probably on Dev when this was happening or it was just to hectic to deal with you at the moment. This has been happening a lot since word of era's situation has spread. It doesn't matter what situation a server is in, it is always illegal to take participation in.

[Venom_Fish]

Lets gooo!!!

[Crono]

here we go again

[Catbert]

reset

[salesman]

Originally Posted by iRedemption

Btw, what's going to happen with gangs Chris?

He told me that new era wont have gangs. Instead, it will have "skate teams" that go to weekly skateboarding competitions together.

[fowlplay4]

Tony Hawk's Era sounds great.

Also relying on a rollback was just a bad decision.

[Old_Days]

This is great, congratulations to the glitchers. They help to speed up the pace. Although they do make Vimes work harder than he has to (which I dont like to see). But in my opinion, Era was just so incredibly boring as it was, it can be fun to have chaos every once and a while.

[Sp_lit]

I'm not fully familiar with how the economic system on Era works at the moment. Although, as the players make more money and the money supply grows, does the prices respond? If not, it will just cause inflation.

I think that prices should rise accordingly with the money supply, just monitor the capital flow and set the price.

However, I don't think that the guns from the normal gun shop should rise as much, due to the fact that new players should be able to get a gun as well.

Pherhaps this has been suggested millions of times before..oh well..

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by Old_Days

This is great, congratulations to the glitchers. They help to speed up the pace. Although they do make Vimes work harder than he has to (which I dont like to see). But in my opinion, Era was just so incredibly boring as it was, it can be fun to have chaos every once and a while.

Stop making your posts blue, its dumb. I don't like it.

[Old_Days]

Stop crying about my posts in blue, your dumb. I don't like you.

[Catbert]

Don't come back to Era *** just because everyone lost all their guns, continue playing WoW. Hopefully your banned from Era

[Fulg0reSama]

lol you guys are such babies. "I LOST MY PIXELS WHAT WILL I DO NOW?"

[swift]

Hahaha i love this so much.

Just have a vote: Reset / Spend weeks trying to reverse trades ??

I seriously saw people with like 8 flak cannons and 6 MP5s. Good luck reversing all that ^_^

[elite_master]

Reset. Control the economy by having each and every gun in gun shops and able to sell them back to the NPC Shop. Also player owned business's do give players advatanges by far. Ecspecially with a reset, if everyone is purchasing new guns the owner will get all the money. The only reason the business's wern't making much at the moment is because very rarely are guns purchased from the shops. Duh.

[Fulg0reSama]

And ex-players like me can rejoice. I havent played since last year basically so nothing on me is messed with :P (richer players too can rejoice if they haven't done anything truly productive)

[iRedemption]

RESET!!!!

Everyone wants it, whether your plan is bulletproof or not Era needs one..

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by iRedemption

RESET!!!!

Everyone wants it, whether your plan is bulletproof or not Era needs one..

This.

[Vman13x]

Originally Posted by Donark

He did not make 40k a week, maybe ammo mart earned 40k, but at LEAST 20k of that went to the miners and stockers. And i'm pretty sure Ammo Mart almost never makes 40k a week.

He has actually, I was his manager at one point and even after he
did paychecks he was left with 40k. I'm not saying he makes 40k everyweek, but he has is what my point is.

RESET RESET RESET!!