backdraft's new management plan

Hiro · #1 03-17-2010, 03:57 AM

What, exactly, is going to be different with our new management? what can we expect to see in the following year-or-so that we can be happy about? i'll wait for backdraft himself to answer these questions (though i doubt he gives a look to these forums frequently enough for a quick response)

Rufus · #2 03-17-2010, 03:58 AM

Give him some time, it has only been a few hours lol.

Elizabeth · #3 03-17-2010, 04:11 AM

I'd also like to hear the game plan.

Grey · #4 03-17-2010, 05:05 AM

I think the moral of the story was don't make promises.

James · #5 03-17-2010, 05:36 AM

mcdonalds plz

Absolut_Crono · #6 03-17-2010, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Grey

I think the moral of the story was don't make promises.

This pretty much sums it up.

Don't say anything to anyone BD!

Fulg0reSama · #7 03-17-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Give him some time, it has only been a few hours lol.

Agreeing with Rufus, I'll be surprised to see him have a whole plan created within this time lol. Hell ill be surprised if its shown within three days.

Sam · #8 03-17-2010, 04:18 PM

Feel free to make suggestions what you expect from the new management, but don't make someone looking bad or put pressure on somebody before he started to be familiar with his job.

ffcmike · #9 03-17-2010, 08:03 PM

While i've never played UN or couldn't possibly comment on whether Streety's removal is justified or if Backdraft is somebody who can get the server going in a better direction, it's interesting that when PWA explored the possibility of a management change with Classic about a year ago multiple members of PWA questioned myself, Master Storm, DarkCloud, the FAQ + GP + Events + assistant Dev Admin, going over what we'd do in the event of such and such option occuring, and what our individual plan would be in the event of becoming Manager.

Hiro · #10 03-17-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Agreeing with Rufus, I'll be surprised to see him have a whole plan created within this time lol. Hell ill be surprised if its shown within three days.

well a lot of complaints from streetys-manager era are still valid, so i would figure he could at least plan to fix all the updating problems we've seen already. whether or not all projects are still going to be worked on or not would also be nice to hear about. i wouldn't be surprised if some discussions about new content hasn't already crossed backdraft's eyes before the change in management that he and other staff were enthusiastic about

in short, i'm sure there is quite a bit he could easily post about

jorollychu · #11 03-17-2010, 11:37 PM

I just dont understand why I wasn't even approached as a possible replacement for SwimChao.

Okilian · #12 03-18-2010, 08:30 AM

I think it would be more appropriate to list things we'd like to see improved.

I for one am a quest person. I feel the quests need to be revamped. I suggested to Backdraft and he states that adding some more isn't a bad idea.

Imperialistic · #13 03-18-2010, 11:34 AM

Quests will take anywhere from 2 - 48 hours to complete all of them..

....then what?

Luda · #14 03-18-2010, 12:08 PM

An actual storyline would be great

Fulg0reSama · #15 03-18-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

well a lot of complaints from streetys-manager era are still valid, so i would figure he could at least plan to fix all the updating problems we've seen already. whether or not all projects are still going to be worked on or not would also be nice to hear about. i wouldn't be surprised if some discussions about new content hasn't already crossed backdraft's eyes before the change in management that he and other staff were enthusiastic about

in short, i'm sure there is quite a bit he could easily post about

Maybe so but he's just getting in the chair, would you expect to be hammered with this all at once? Sure brainstorming is one thing but to have a full solid plan is not to be expected.

Hiro · #16 03-18-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Maybe so but he's just getting in the chair, would you expect to be hammered with this all at once? Sure brainstorming is one thing but to have a full solid plan is not to be expected.

i would fully expect to be hammered with all of this at once from day 1

Vima · #17 03-18-2010, 04:45 PM

I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

Cubical · #18 03-18-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima

I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

Quite a few of Unholy Nations levels make my eyes bleed ;[

FuManchu · #19 03-18-2010, 07:09 PM

UN is so ugly because most of the LATs go with the now-generic red tile patterns instead of doing something unique.

Okilian · #20 03-18-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Quests will take anywhere from 2 - 48 hours to complete all of them..

....then what?

Then you add various other things. I just started the ball rolling on ideas.

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Originally Posted by Vima

I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Imperialistic · #21 03-18-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima

I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

I definitely agree 100%.

MysticX2X · #22 03-18-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Okilian

I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Most of the old Unholy Nation levels prior to the reset are long gone, and replaced with newer and newer levels (even the playerhouses). The only towns which remain relatively the same as they used to be are delta, towncenter, and trent.

I've suggested before a possible makeover of the overworld but then I also thought it wouldn't be too plausible with UN at the moment. Reconstruction of certain towns/forests would be a plus.

Okilian · #23 03-18-2010, 08:06 PM

I think a thing that should be done more than the OW is the insides of levels. Some of them are for people not around any more.

I'll probably post my idea on the UN Forum itself. Something that was in the works but stopped.

Fulg0reSama · #24 03-18-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

i would fully expect to be hammered with all of this at once from day 1

Yeah I should have said it differently.

Okay he's just getting into the position but would you expect to have a plan COMPLETELY devised? Now just don't say yes so it seems like I'm mistaken but I know just about everyone in this thread would say no.

Okilian · #25 03-18-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Yeah I should have said it differently.

Okay he's just getting into the position but would you expect to have a plan COMPLETELY devised? Now just don't say yes so it seems like I'm mistaken but I know just about everyone in this thread would say no.

Though in talking to him, he has a plan in the works. Seems to want to do some good tasks.

And I think supporting him, telling him what we would like to see is a great plan. If you log onto UN and go to those forums, I am starting some discussions about what I think would be great to see.

Vima · #26 03-18-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Okilian

I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Yes, but what IS UN? What is it Style? Unholy Nation has lost it identity many years ago. I think a lot of people are sick and tired and want something new and fresh, out with the old in with the new. The only people who don't want to change it because they want to keep the so called "UN Spirit" are you and the other previous managers/oldbies who never play there anymore either. As long as nothing major is going to happen, people wont notice the small additions. New events added, Pet System, Paintball Game etc etc. These "new" things will die after a week.
Like it or not - that's how it is.

Imperialistic · #27 03-18-2010, 09:09 PM

Vima is right, you have to look for the long-term effect on the server.

fowlplay4 · #28 03-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Well if Backdraft doesn't make Obama-style change to the server you can expect him to follow the same route as Streety.

MysticX2X · #29 03-18-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima

Yes, but what IS UN? What is it Style? Unholy Nation has lost it identity many years ago. I think a lot of people are sick and tired and want something new and fresh, out with the old in with the new. The only people who don't want to change it because they want to keep the so called "UN Spirit" are you and the other previous managers/oldbies who never play there anymore either. As long as nothing major is going to happen, people wont notice the small additions. New events added, Pet System, Paintball Game etc etc. These "new" things will die after a week.
Like it or not - that's how it is.

If that is so, you might as well not call it Unholy Nation.

Bell · #30 03-18-2010, 10:48 PM

UN has always been a conglomeration of whatever players want to see. That IS their style. While I completely agree that UN has reached a point its become a mess, I don't think changing its tiling style is going to make a bit of difference overall. Downsizing it some. Fixing broken scripts, removing abusive tools and useless weapons wouldn't hurt. Converting to gs2 would be a major undertaking and really is a necessity but the server has now been uploaded to dev so the team should be able to address some of these issues without interrupting main too badly.

Okilian · #31 03-19-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bell

UN has always been a conglomeration of whatever players want to see. That IS their style. While I completely agree that UN has reached a point its become a mess, I don't think changing its tiling style is going to make a bit of difference overall. Downsizing it some. Fixing broken scripts, removing abusive tools and useless weapons wouldn't hurt. Converting to gs2 would be a major undertaking and really is a necessity but the server has now been uploaded to dev so the team should be able to address some of these issues without interrupting main too badly.

I agree completely. UN was never meant to be anything specific. I mean, if you go on, we have cars with guns with swords with so many things. Many people enjoy that fact.

Do I think UN's perfect? No, not at all. I've been saying for a long time things need to be fixed. A new OW? Not needed. They did it once only recently, so why just do it again?

There are fixes that need to be addressed as Bell says, I just don't think pretty tiles is that.

MysticX2X · #32 03-19-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Okilian

I agree completely. UN was never meant to be anything specific. I mean, if you go on, we have cars with guns with swords with so many things. Many people enjoy that fact.

Do I think UN's perfect? No, not at all. I've been saying for a long time things need to be fixed. A new OW? Not needed. They did it once only recently, so why just do it again?

There are fixes that need to be addressed as Bell says, I just don't think pretty tiles is that.

Maybe not a brand new overworld, but cleaning it up and condensing it sure would be a plus.

Hiro · #33 04-01-2010, 06:09 AM

so it's been a couple of weeks, and no response. boy, i'm so glad we got a new manager who doesn't tell us jack

Liberated · #34 04-01-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

so it's been a couple of weeks, and no response. boy, i'm so glad we got a new manager who doesn't tell us jack

Even tho i've feel you've taken a grudge against backdraft cuz he replaced streety, i must agree, a forum active manager would be nice.

Okilian · #35 04-01-2010, 08:34 AM

He's more apt to post on UN's forum in game. I've seen him post a few times.

Even better, talk to him. He's working on quite a bit.

Crono · #36 04-01-2010, 09:52 AM

un has to figure out what it is before it can "fix" itself

people are throwing the word economy left and right without realizing that this server wasn't intended to have one. not only that but the events system itself has spawned it's own currency which is never really good. =/

MysticX2X · #37 04-01-2010, 11:16 AM

UN used to be pretty economy centered when there wasnt a **** ton of hats and ridiculous NPC's.

Crono · #38 04-01-2010, 11:47 AM

Fulg0reSama · #39 04-01-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

how

Seriously. No economy back when I played. DEFINITELY AS HELL NOT MUCH OF ONE NOW.

Hiro · #40 04-01-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated

Even tho i've feel you've taken a grudge against backdraft cuz he replaced streety, i must agree, a forum active manager would be nice.

it's nothing personal, BD is a good guy. but yes, an active forum manager would be great, as i have reason to believe that streety would have already made a response to this type of thread

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Originally Posted by Okilian

He's more apt to post on UN's forum in game. I've seen him post a few times.

Even better, talk to him. He's working on quite a bit.

that's missing the point. i don't post on the in-game forums, so how does his posting there help me at all? i, and anyone else who is interested, shouldn't have to personally ask him when he's capable of posting about it for the world to view