New Management

[Absolut_Crono]

I like Sting and all, but he didn't really do all that good of a job as GP Chief near the end...

He had family issues from what we were told, and couldn't be on much. But his issues were like 4 or 5 months long...

[SwimChao]

I can't really do my own arguing about myself here. Other staff members, especially those whom you spoke with, have not interjected into the topic yet.

If I did all of the things I'm being accused of doing, then by all means, I agree to me being removed. But I never did them, and I never would. I was always professional, and strongly stressed professionalism to my staff team. My intentions are still, and have always been in the better interest of the server.

@Mystic:
I was very enthusiastic about redoing the newbie course, and the like. There's not much I can do there, though. It's all levels, and TooT seemed to want to take this project head on. Administrators deserve a certain amount of freedom to do this. If I ever disagreed, I would have clearly said so.

As for the quests... This something delicate within the UN community, and something that I would have preferred to discuss as a team, when we're ready to direct our full attention towards it. I told TooT that I wanted to do it, but I wanted to wait a little while. We have three major projects going on simultaneously, and a bunch of other little ones to go along with it. I felt the need to moderate the amount of work we take off, so that I don't find myself, and the server, let down if we find that we can't finish it all.

It's a matter of focusing resources.

You haven't been with the server internally enough to see that navigating this messed up server has been my motive from day one. All the talk about how past management have made a labyrinth of garbage releases, and broken items. It's all rooted back to this, and the idea that I want nothing more than to organize the server. I have always wanted to make it more user friendly.

[fowlplay4]

UN's NC + Level scripts needs to be gutted and revamped badly the clutter from so many years now still remains (which was apparent when I visited/helped with the christmas event).

It was a tough hand Streety was dealt unfortunately it ended up like this.

[Hiro]

still waiting on that PWA response as to why they removed streety. a lot of speculation and insults are flying when it could be summed up in one post by a PWA member. that is, of course, that the reason they give is a legitimate one

[SwimChao]

Of course we had disagreements, but we always sorted them out in a professional manner. Towards the beginning, I admit that my mind was a little preoccupied. You weren't ignored, but I can't recall if I stressed that to you. With a lot of shifts in the staff team, there's just a certain level of control over development I needed to keep. Once you expressed your feelings about the subject, I took the extra effort to discuss with you. I didn't mind putting off something to talk, and then taking the extra time to finish it up later.

The point raised in this topic, is that I gave you a "hard time" for rights when you requested them. Never once when you asked for rights, did I give you a problem. All of your requests were rational, and I you were almost always given them immediately after we discussed them.

[Imperialistic]

I hope to god people just don't start creating stuff without thinking **** through. I have to admit.. Streety did a good job of controlling stuff like that.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I googled good manager qualities, this is the result. I bolded the qualities that I think he demonstrated. The link is: http://www.projectsmart.co.uk/top-10...t-manager.html

Inspires a shared vision
Good Communicater
Integrity
Enthusiasm
Empathy
Competence
Ability to delegate tasks
Team-building skills
Problem solving skills

7/10? I think that's pretty good.

LOL. Okay elizabeth I didnt read pages 6 and 7 in this thread but i hope you realized you just posted up a double edged sword.

No ability to delegate tasks? Okay I get it, we will all run around like headless chickens and do random assignments, Team building skills is also needed as a management, What good is a manager who can't build a team properly? Integrity is not too terrible but it hurts more and shows as manager as much as he has tried, He didn't do enough as this whole thread is about. Sorry to hear you go streety you did somewhat keep UN stable. Personally I miss subzero as manager, he was a pretty damn good manager while he lasted and probably could've done more. But anyhow I hope you can relax now about this crap streety.

Inspires a shared vision
Good Communicater
Integrity
Enthusiasm
Empathy
Competence
Ability to delegate tasks
Team-building skills
Problem solving skills

Fixed.

[coreys]

I like how she didn't highlight integrity.

[xAndrewx]

That's a shame I must say, but the PWA wouldn't remove you from management without a reason. The PWA are an awesome group of people if you ask me.

[Cubical]

you must have done something because really bad because they didn't touch maniaman after being inactive for like 2 years when he managed maloria.

[SwimChao]

I sure wish I would be enlightened on exactly what it is I did that is so terrible. I hate feeling like the bad guy.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

That's a shame I must say, but the PWA wouldn't remove you from management without a reason. The PWA are an awesome group of people if you ask me.

[xAndrewx]

rofl S.T.F.U!!! LOL

[Mykel]

Although I can't really weigh in on the subject of Streety being replaced too much because I don't play UN enough, I do have to say that I think the PWA/Global staff team should be doing other things to help Graal.

This might help it in some small way. That remains to be seen. But, even if it does, it will be something very small. Legit or not, bigger things seem to be getting overlooked.

[jorollychu]

Wow Backdraft? So much for Kevin Azite ever getting fairly given access to UN ever again.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Vima

I don't support this. Streety has been one of the few Managers on UN who have actually contributed something to it. Not like all the other Managers (not going to name any names). The Managers who never cared about releasing things when it actually had an decent playercount.

he never released anything except the holidays events....even there its was the same as 07-08 x.x

[TSAdmin]

I know a lot of you are wanting to hear from the PWA as to the thought process leading to Streety's removal and going by this thread, apparently it was no secret that it was "3-to-1". I am not sure how those numbers were made public. Regardless, unfortunately I can't really provide a specific and clear response for those of you who are upset and/or disappointed by this outcome, as I must admit that I was the "1".

On that same note, there are those of you who don't really care what the PWA's deciding argument was or the votes, you just care that Streety was removed as it's what you wanted. Perhaps rather than jumping back and forth between each other saying "So what has Streety done for UN?" or "He was awesome, I don't understand", those of you who were for Streety's removal - step up and just say, in the event you were involved in a vote, why you voted for his removal. Be honest, because when all's said and done, the PWA only looked at Streety because the community came to us first. The PWA don't simply act unless we're made aware of something being wrong in the first place.

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I know a lot of you are wanting to hear from the PWA as to the thought process leading to Streety's removal and going by this thread, apparently it was no secret that it was "3-to-1". I am not sure how those numbers were made public. Regardless, unfortunately I can't really provide a specific and clear response for those of you who are upset and/or disappointed by this outcome, as I must admit that I was the "1".

On that same note, there are those of you who don't really care what the PWA's deciding argument was or the votes, you just care that Streety was removed as it's what you wanted. Perhaps rather than jumping back and forth between each other saying "So what has Streety done for UN?" or "He was awesome, I don't understand", those of you who were for Streety's removal - step up and just say, in the event you were involved in a vote, why you voted for his removal. Be honest, because when all's said and done, the PWA only looked at Streety because the community came to us first. The PWA don't simply act unless we're made aware of something being wrong in the first place.

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

mostly unkeep promises he made.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

I sure wish I would be enlightened on exactly what it is I did that is so terrible. I hate feeling like the bad guy.

From what Ive read, It seems more like that what "you did" is nothing at all.

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I know a lot of you are wanting to hear from the PWA as to the thought process leading to Streety's removal and going by this thread, apparently it was no secret that it was "3-to-1". I am not sure how those numbers were made public. Regardless, unfortunately I can't really provide a specific and clear response for those of you who are upset and/or disappointed by this outcome, as I must admit that I was the "1".

On that same note, there are those of you who don't really care what the PWA's deciding argument was or the votes, you just care that Streety was removed as it's what you wanted. Perhaps rather than jumping back and forth between each other saying "So what has Streety done for UN?" or "He was awesome, I don't understand", those of you who were for Streety's removal - step up and just say, in the event you were involved in a vote, why you voted for his removal. Be honest, because when all's said and done, the PWA only looked at Streety because the community came to us first. The PWA don't simply act unless we're made aware of something being wrong in the first place.

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

Ich bin Neutral!

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

mostly unkeep promises he made.

Like what? Bring everyone to your eyes. It's all about you right now, I'm asking you:
What was the difference to you between a manager who perhaps needed reminding of a promise made but unkept and a manager who should be removed? If a manager is slipping, he needs a kick in the butt, no doubt. Why vote removal?

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Swiss flag image

Not sure I follow. I'm not Swiss :s

[Demisis_P2P]

yo it really sucks when this happens.
i feel ur pain streety.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Not sure I follow. I'm not Swiss :s

means you're neutral :3

[Fulg0reSama]

Crono got it right, Also doesn't take a guy from Switzerland to figure out German o_o

[adam]

Am I under the impression it was decided Streety was a bad manager and needed to be replaced without ANY attempt AT ALL to let him know it was thought he was not doing a good job?

"Yeah, bye the way, were going to fire you if you don't live up to our standards. We will not tell you what these standards are, we will not tell you if you are not living up to them, one day you will just be removed. You will be given zero opportunity to change or to satisfy us."

It's like going to work, and getting fired 3 weeks later for some rules in a handbook they refused to let you read.

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by adam

Am I under the impression it was decided Streety was a bad manager and needed to be replaced without ANY attempt AT ALL to let him know it was thought he was not doing a good job?

From what i understood they somehow did let him know they thought he could better be replaced.\/

Originally Posted by SwimChao

That's what I told Bell when she proposed several weeks ago that I move to development, and make someone else manager.

[adam]

Originally Posted by Liberated

From what i understood they somehow did let him know they thought he could better be replaced.\/

Oh. well that's good. I guess it was just because it was so sudden at the time.

[Rufus]

First Backdraft failure = Making Streety "Developer" staff. Not a good start in my eyes.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I know a lot of you are wanting to hear from the PWA as to the thought process leading to Streety's removal and going by this thread, apparently it was no secret that it was "3-to-1". I am not sure how those numbers were made public. Regardless, unfortunately I can't really provide a specific and clear response for those of you who are upset and/or disappointed by this outcome, as I must admit that I was the "1".

On that same note, there are those of you who don't really care what the PWA's deciding argument was or the votes, you just care that Streety was removed as it's what you wanted. Perhaps rather than jumping back and forth between each other saying "So what has Streety done for UN?" or "He was awesome, I don't understand", those of you who were for Streety's removal - step up and just say, in the event you were involved in a vote, why you voted for his removal. Be honest, because when all's said and done, the PWA only looked at Streety because the community came to us first. The PWA don't simply act unless we're made aware of something being wrong in the first place.

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

I don't understand why he was removed without warning? I, personally, do not consider Bell suggesting he drop down a warning.

[Deas_Voice]

i cant say that i agree with this, streety is one of the best UN managers in my eyes.
with that said, i'll miss streets.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

yo it really sucks when this happens.
i feel ur pain streety.

Perfect example of how enough crying and personal ambition can get a perfectly fine manager removed over the slightest little things. Although, in your case, the PWA didn't really investigate the situation at all. Houdiniman just logged on RC, asked everyone what we though about you, and pretty much made a decision in what seemed like a few minutes.

For some reason it seems like the PWA just needs to flex its muscles from time to time. I truly hope that's not how Streety's situation went down at all.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by salesman

Perfect example of how enough crying and personal ambition can get a perfectly fine manager removed over the slightest little things. Although, in your case, the PWA didn't really investigate the situation at all. Houdiniman just logged on RC, asked everyone what we though about you, and pretty much made a decision in what seemed like a few minutes.

For some reason it seems like the PWA just needs to flex its muscles from time to time. I truly hope that's not how Streety's situation went down at all.

Originally Posted by SwimChao

That's what I told Bell when she proposed several weeks ago that I move to development, and make someone else manager.

Seems like it was in deliberation for a while.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Seems like it was in deliberation for a while.

I was referring more to how the PWA made its decision, not how long it took them. You can take as long as you want and still make a bad decision based off of a bunch of biased whiners' opinions

I'm not accusing the PWA of doing this because I really have no insight on the situation other than what I've read in this thread-- I'm just saying that it has definitely happened in the past. Although based off of TSAdmin's response, I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility.

[Cloven]

In my experience it was obvious that Streety at least cared about UN to an extent. He was by far the least troublesome in what has become a lineage of piss-poor management on UN. I personally quit helping UN out while Malinko was still a manager (what a nightmare), and, absolutely refused to manage UN all three times I've been asked in the past few years due to the various sociopolitical drama that is both excessive and inherent at this point.

I will admit that I do at times find it ironic when the PWA step in on UN, as it seems to be selective considering the multitude of issues that have occurred there that I've been privy to... though I suppose it's relative as this 'selectivity' seems to be the case in general regarding both Classic and UC servers.

On Graal it seems anymore that most people have inferiority issues, an axe to grind, and/or an ulterior motive of some sort with just about everything. This alone is the reason for a general lack of cohesion and subsequently the downward spiral of the game.

[Dnegel]

Man, this sucks.

[FuManchu]

Originally Posted by Rufus

First Backdraft failure = Making Streety "Developer" staff. Not a good start in my eyes.

Not really a failure thus far.
Streety is the type of person that is only a good asset to the team when he has a boss (as shown by his time as GAT Admin/Admin). He has a boss now

[King homer daStupid]

Whilst not largely contributing to the physical development of the server (then again, it can be hard to in times like these), Streety certainly contributed to the stability of the server.

And goodluck to Backdraft!

[Tigairius]

In short, the majority of the PWA feels that Streety is an asset to Unholy Nation, but not as a manager. For many months now we have received reports of development staff feeling disgruntled with Streety's management style and overall we are aware that a lot of the players were unhappy with his handling of player relations, or sometimes, lack thereof (consistently referring people away, even for the simplest of questions). There were also several other reasons that have been riddled throughout this thread, but the reality of it is really quite clear.

Everyone should be aware that Streety was not forced out of his position without any reserve; when approaching such situations we try to be as delicate as possible to avoid disrupting harmony and development as much as we can. Streety was given fair notice and was kept aware of our actions throughout a lot of the latter parts of the process (up to being politely asked to resign).

We know Streety has a lot of friends on Unholy Nation and is quite the charismatic person to be around if you know him, but there have been a lot of instances where favoritism has come to be a problem during his management as well.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

In short, the majority of the PWA feels that Streety is an asset to Unholy Nation, but not as a manager. For many months now we have received reports of development staff feeling disgruntled with Streety's management style and overall we are aware that a lot of the players were unhappy with his handling of player relations, or sometimes, lack thereof (consistently referring people away, even for the simplest of questions). There were also several other reasons that have been riddled throughout this thread, but the reality of it is really quite clear.

Everyone should be aware that Streety was not forced out of his position without any reserve; when approaching such situations we try to be as delicate as possible to avoid disrupting harmony and development as much as we can. Streety was given fair notice and was kept aware of our actions throughout a lot of the latter parts of the process (up to being politely asked to resign).

We know Streety has a lot of friends on Unholy Nation and is quite the charismatic person to be around if you know him, but there have been a lot of instances where favoritism has come to be a problem during his management as well.

as well as the PWA not liking some of the manager methodology and imploring favoritism in the negative. if streety doesn't have a clear explanation for why he was removed, what makes you think he was informed during the process?

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Like what? Bring everyone to your eyes. It's all about you right now, I'm asking you:
What was the difference to you between a manager who perhaps needed reminding of a promise made but unkept and a manager who should be removed? If a manager is slipping, he needs a kick in the butt, no doubt. Why vote removal?

i completely agree with these points, specifically that streety was really just getting a handle on the numerous problems plaguing UN. if anything, he's being kept on as a developer would indicate how personally he has gotten to know the problems at hand, but now that he knows he can't lead the projects? it's all fine and dandy to remind a manager what needs to get done, results are needed; but give the guy some time as not even last week he posted about fixing problems...it takes some groups months to get things going

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Hiro

as well as the PWA not liking some of the manager methodology and imploring favoritism in the negative. if streety doesn't have a clear explanation for why he was removed, what makes you think he was informed during the process?

A lot of people think what they're doing is correct. Maybe Streety was just unaware a lot of people were uncomfortable with what he was doing.

i completely agree with these points, specifically that streety was really just getting a handle on the numerous problems plaguing UN. if anything, he's being kept on as a developer would indicate how personally he has gotten to know the problems at hand, but now that he knows he can't lead the projects? it's all fine and dandy to remind a manager what needs to get done, results are needed; but give the guy some time as not even last week he posted about fixing problems...it takes some groups months to get things going

Over a year isn't enough time? I don't know if you've played UN enough in the past year to know that it has been lacking and wasnt being focused very correctly at all.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Over a year isn't enough time? I don't know if you've played UN enough in the past year to know that it has been lacking and wasnt being focused very correctly at all.

a lot of the issues were not brought up a year ago, so that isn't the correct increment of time in which to say streety hasn't produced anything. it has probably taken months to compile and completely understand the issues with UN, both for players, staff, scripts, systems, and projects. and this seems to be overshadowing the in-game forums came in under his management, and how much of a success is that currently? if anything that's the single biggest update UN has seen in years, albeit not one i personally enjoy

and i would know: i've been on UN actively for more than just the past year, though i can never seem to break through into staff like i used too and have a deeper insight into the background problems