Tommy Gun unbalanced

[DarknessShadow]

Gun Stats for 'Dual Panther P2K':
Damage: 20
Rate of Fire: 0.25
Freeze: 0.12
Reload: 0.2

Gun Stats for 'Mp5 Navy':
Damage: 20
Rate of Fire: 0.25
Freeze: 0.05
Reload: 0.3

Gun Stats for 'Desert Raven':
Damage: 20
Rate of Fire: 0.28
Freeze: 0.12
Reload: 0.36

Gun Stats for 'Tommy Gun':
Damage: 20
Rate of Fire: 0.3
Freeze: 0.05
Reload: 0.15

Faster than the mp5 navy
Same damage
Same freeze as mp5 navy
Half the reload of mp5 navy

Faster than dual p2k's
Same damage
Has over half the freeze
Faster reload

Faster than the DR
Same Damage
Again over half the freeze
Over half the reload

Lets not forget the gun has crazy amounts of spread.
What I'd love to know is what idiot buffed it again and when its it going to be nerfed.

[Crono]

some1 give me morano thompson plz

[DarknessShadow]

Originally Posted by Crono

some1 give me morano thompson plz

Its not the MT its the TG.
:P

[Crow]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

Its not the MT its the TG.
:P

MT has more style.

[Venom_Fish]

I requested it be nerfed a while back after realizing how closely in stats it was to Mp5 Navy. And it used to be a 15,000$ gun. Chris Vimes decided to do quite the opposite and extremely buff it. For reasons unknown, but I wouldn't say his closest friend having one wasn't one of them.

[Dark_Zeratul101]

Tommy Gun is the "Hold D to win Gun"; everyone I've seen using it hog the bottom right and wait for its ridiculous spread to hit the opponent. Takes zero skill to use.

[Venom_Fish]

Wait; there's plenty of reasons for it to be like that.
Maybe some people don't know how to fight anyother way. And maybe these people are friends of certain Admins. That changes everything!

[CharlieM]

We've been asking for the TG to be nerfed for a long time and staff dont seem to care, TG only got value because it was so good.

[DarknessShadow]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

We've been asking for the TG to be nerfed for a long time and staff dont seem to care, TG only got value because it was so good.

The TG was buffed,it was not like this last month when I got reset.

[CharlieM]

Really? It was way OPed before you got reset, so now its EXTREMELY Oped then..

I would like to motion a request for it to be nerfed and if its nerfed, put it in the pawn shop

[Nonepwnz]

Why nerf the TG? If you say the Mp5 is as good as TG, why not nerf Mp5? Nerf all three of the weapons, or leave them as they are.

[CharlieM]

and you own a tg.

[Nonepwnz]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

and you own a tg.

and you don't.

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by Nonepwnz

and you don't.

I used to, and I easily could if I wanted one, I prefer to not have the hold D for the win gun. It ruins any skill at PK. Think before you speak.

[Nonepwnz]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

I used to, and I easily could if I wanted one, I prefer to not have the hold D for the win gun. It ruins any skill at PK. Think before you speak.

Okay, should I think before I speak? Maybe you should too.

1) I did not add the TG into the game
2) You agreed the TG were as good as P2ks and Mp5.
3) You want TG to get nerfed because its as good as Mp5 and P2ks?

Like, if you hate TG so much and you say its as good as Mp5 and P2ks. Why don't you hate them all, why don't you want them all to get nerfed? It's not only TG which is that good, like you said yourself theres P2ks and Mp5. And Mp5 is even better, P2ks as well.

Think before you speak, and in my opinion.. Only have Uzi, Ak, Shotgun, Handgun & remove caps. Now lets spar :-) Funny Era!

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by Nonepwnz

1) I did not add the TG into the game
2) You agreed the TG were as good as P2ks and Mp5.
3) You want TG to get nerfed because its as good as Mp5 and P2ks?

you blind? It clearly shows it's BETTER,
fastest firing rate,
lowest freeze although together with mp5,
half the freeze of the navy mp5, and 1/4 less then the dual panther.
it beats these other guns in everything, except that it's freeze is the same as the navy mp5.
AND THEN it has the crazy spread.

[Nonepwnz]

Originally Posted by Liberated

you blind? It clearly shows it's BETTER,
fastest firing rate,
lowest freeze although together with mp5,
half the freeze of the navy mp5, and 1/4 less then the dual panther.
it beats these other guns in everything, except that it's freeze is the same as the navy mp5.
AND THEN it has the crazy spread.

It's not better, it has it better parts. Like Mp5, has. And, what if its better? All the guns can't be the same, right? Something has to be better.

I don't know what you are crying for?

[GarethOmni]

Originally Posted by Nonepwnz

It's not better, it has it better parts. Like Mp5, has. And, what if its better? All the guns can't be the same, right? Something has to be better.

I don't know what you are crying for?

Who cares, this **** is getting reset anyway. Lol

[DarknessShadow]

Originally Posted by GarethOmni

Who cares, this **** is getting reset anyway. Lol

Yeah like people didn't say that last year,idiot.

The fact is you can't defend the TG it got two random buffs outa nowhere,the first one was fine,it had crazy ROF/spread but didn't allow you to move that much.
The second buff was due to chris's little buddy having one,it doesn't seem that bad right now because the people that have them are not that good/can't use it very well.
Soon as someone good gets it people will complain and chris will have to nerf it.

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by Nonepwnz

Okay, should I think before I speak? Maybe you should too.

1) I did not add the TG into the game
2) You agreed the TG were as good as P2ks and Mp5.
3) You want TG to get nerfed because its as good as Mp5 and P2ks?

Like, if you hate TG so much and you say its as good as Mp5 and P2ks. Why don't you hate them all, why don't you want them all to get nerfed? It's not only TG which is that good, like you said yourself theres P2ks and Mp5. And Mp5 is even better, P2ks as well.

Think before you speak, and in my opinion.. Only have Uzi, Ak, Shotgun, Handgun & remove caps. Now lets spar :-) Funny Era!

your funny, your trying to defend yourself by saying you didnt bring it in..Mp5 and P2k's are not as good as TG statwise. We've done a stat by stat comparison before, the TG's price went from around 500k to 3mil to around 8mil in a matter of a week when it was buffed. Theres no denying that it was buffed, and that it needs to be nerfed to be inline with what it was supposed to be. and the only way to solve a nerf and people complaining would be to release it to the pawn shop also.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

Are you really going to post a screenshot with a macro open while playing Era?


Also:

[salesman]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Are you really going to post a screenshot with a macro open while playing Era?

hahahahhaa

it amazes me how frequently that happens. ban! ban! ban!

[DarknessShadow]

I didn't close that ticket,if I did it was accidental,but hey I re-opened it.
Why didn't you just respond to the TG issue?

Originally Posted by salesman

hahahahhaa

it amazes me how frequently that happens. ban! ban! ban!

Shut up its in a IDE.
No proof of it existing or being used
<3

[Andre2006]

Need to base everything from the real life please.

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Andre2006

Need to base everything from the real life please.

in real life I die by one bullet no matter what gun

[DarknessShadow]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

in real life I die by one bullet no matter what gun

You die if you got shot in the leg by a 9mm?
Youacrybaby.(vulgar words are blockedftl)

[Andre2006]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

in real life I die by one bullet no matter what gun

Not if you shoot blanks!, well thats not what I ment by basing everything by real life. Like the freeze, strenght and such is what I was talking about.

[CharlieM]

Why dont staff want to do anything about the TG its obvious that its OPed and I dont think any staff member other then zoo owns a TG

[GarethOmni]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

Yeah like people didn't say that last year,idiot.

The fact is you can't defend the TG it got two random buffs outa nowhere,the first one was fine,it had crazy ROF/spread but didn't allow you to move that much.
The second buff was due to chris's little buddy having one,it doesn't seem that bad right now because the people that have them are not that good/can't use it very well.
Soon as someone good gets it people will complain and chris will have to nerf it.

Aw, someone is trying to convince themselves the reset isn't coming. How cute. *Pinches cheeks*

[Dnegel]

You kinda burned yourself with that picture lol.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

I didn't close that ticket,if I did it was accidental,but hey I re-opened it.
Why didn't you just respond to the TG issue?



Shut up its in a IDE.
No proof of it existing or being used
<3

No proof?

a picture says a thousand words.

[Mark Sir Link]

I'd be pretty infuriated if staff punished him for his screen shot unless they have some sort of actual proof he's using whatever macro to cheat.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'd be pretty infuriated if staff punished him for his screen shot unless they have some sort of actual proof he's using whatever macro to cheat.

I'm not actually suggesting this guy should be banned, but there's just as much proof against him as there is against countless other cases where people were banned for simply having a program opened at the same time as Graal. Hell, as unreliable as Graal's detection can be, I'd actually consider this screenshot as pretty solid evidence in comparison. He's basically confessed by posting that screenshot, lol.

[maximus_asinus]

Dude he was obviously using those macros in Windows Media Player!

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by salesman

I'm not actually suggesting this guy should be banned, but there's just as much proof against him as there is against countless other cases where people were banned for simply having a program opened at the same time as Graal. Hell, as unreliable as Graal's detection can be, I'd actually consider this screenshot as pretty solid evidence in comparison. He's basically confessed by posting that screenshot, lol.

I have to agree. His reply afterward can't exactly be classified as a 'guiltless denial' either, which should make it even more suspect. I could care less since I don't play Era, but from a management standpoint there should be consequences involved. It's not good to send the message that you'll go unpunished when the evidence presented creates a 'likelier than not' probability.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

I didn't close that ticket,if I did it was accidental,but hey I re-opened it.
Why didn't you just respond to the TG issue?



Shut up its in a IDE.
No proof of it existing or being used
<3

lol @ you deleting the pic from your post but Chris quoted it b4 <3

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

You has nothing.
You touch nothing.
>:{

i had* it got deleted

[DarknessShadow]

Back on topic,Chris said he would talk to squirt about nerfing it.
Still waiting on that.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DarknessShadow

That is a pretty convincing macro in chris's quote!

I downloaded it before.

Also for all the idiots taking this seriously,there is no valid as you idiot have no clue what program is actually open,ITS AN IDE.*****s it is where you edit code and compile applications,there was no-program running and you could not see the code,for all you know it could be a simple game I made called that.
So once again,not program was running or being used in that screenshot.

I'm not going to ban you but if you're really going to try to argue that "key2equip" and "mouse2key" open at the same time as Graal aren't macros, you're digging your own grave.

[Demisis_P2P]

Because you're still crying about somebody owning you with a tommy gun.