WIP bottle

Unkownsoldier · #1 01-24-2010, 09:17 PM

Ya, so I took a break from making graphics, and I think I have gotten a little better, or at least I will try to be. What do you think of this bottle WIP? Any thing that I could improve on?

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Immolate · #2 01-24-2010, 09:24 PM

The line before the neck of the bottle really bothers me.

Unkownsoldier · #3 01-24-2010, 09:27 PM

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any better?

Immolate · #4 01-24-2010, 09:45 PM

I can't see much shine on it either.

Unkownsoldier · #5 01-24-2010, 10:18 PM

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more shine coming up

Immolate · #6 01-24-2010, 10:35 PM

The shine should be over the outlines.

Unkownsoldier · #7 01-24-2010, 10:39 PM

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better?

Immolate · #8 01-24-2010, 10:53 PM

I think the shine shoud also curve with the bottle neck now that I look at it.

Clockwork · #9 01-25-2010, 12:36 AM

Apart from the white, your bottle has 192 colors, 201 including the white.

Unkownsoldier · #10 01-25-2010, 01:01 AM

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Apart from the white, your bottle has 192 colors, 201 including the white.

How can you tell?

Stephen · #11 01-25-2010, 01:02 AM

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better?

Try adding some crazy perspective; the subject is relatively boring atm.

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How can you tell?

He sat down and counted them all.

Soala · #12 01-25-2010, 01:28 AM

how the hell did you make a bottle with 192 colors ? respect for that lol.
True pixel art takes the minimum color count possible, please reduce it.

cbk1994 · #13 01-25-2010, 01:31 AM

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how the hell did you make a bottle with 192 colors ? respect for that lol.
True pixel art takes the minimum color count possible, please reduce it.

I have never understood this. Pixel count does not matter, what matters is that it looks nice. Using too few colors just makes it look crappy.

Soala · #14 01-25-2010, 01:36 AM

The bigger the palette the bigger the size. Come on it isnt hard to only use the same EXACT color for the outline instead of 50+ that the human eye can almost not see

And if you somehow got a broken color picker (happened to me once o,o) note down the hexa...

Clockwork · #15 01-25-2010, 01:43 AM

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How can you tell?

zzz

Stephen · #16 01-25-2010, 01:54 AM

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The bigger the palette the bigger the size. Come on it isnt hard to only use the same EXACT color for the outline instead of 50+ that the human eye can almost not see

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I have never understood this. Pixel count does not matter, what matters is that it looks nice. Using too few colors just makes it look crappy.

I'm afraid I agree entirely with Chris on this point.

Soala · #17 01-25-2010, 02:12 AM

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I'm afraid I agree entirely with Chris on this point.

I'm not even going to start argumenting on that with you Stephen, but I don't know what the hell is wrong with you.

cbk1994 · #18 01-25-2010, 02:20 AM

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I'm not even going to start argumenting on that with you Stephen, but I don't know what the hell is wrong with you.

You said "The bigger the palette the bigger the size."

His entire lineup of bottles is 1.2 KB. The single bottle would be a fraction of that.

Broadband is 500-2000 KB/s. Even dialup is 7 KB/s.

???

Soala · #19 01-25-2010, 02:26 AM

Please don't start on this. All I'm saying is that it's just a freaking bottle. He's obviously PIXELATING it. Please tell me how to get such big palette by placing pixels one by one ? He's obviously trying to get better aswell, but then again, tell me how can you get better at PIXEL ART if you use anything else than paint ? A simple bottle doesn't require such big palette to look nice. Redo the bottle yourself with a lowered palette and you will end up with the same result to the eye.

Please don't hurt my feelings again.

Stephen · #20 01-25-2010, 02:48 AM

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Please don't start on this. All I'm saying is that it's just a freaking bottle.

I believe that is the sentiment Chris and I both agree upon.

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He's obviously PIXELATING it.

At 192 distinct colors over an object ~ 10px wide and 25px high, I would prefer to believe he is not pixeling it.

Immolate · #21 01-25-2010, 03:06 AM

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Please don't start on this. All I'm saying is that it's just a freaking bottle. He's obviously PIXELATING it. Please tell me how to get such big palette by placing pixels one by one ? He's obviously trying to get better aswell, but then again, tell me how can you get better at PIXEL ART if you use anything else than paint ? A simple bottle doesn't require such big palette to look nice. Redo the bottle yourself with a lowered palette and you will end up with the same result to the eye.

Please don't hurt my feelings again.

It's funny you assume that just because this appears small enough to be on Graal, it's actually pixel art, since, you know, Graal totally limits itself to just pixel art. It's obviously not pixel art because, as you said, the colour count is way to high.

Also, pixel art can be produced and you can get better at it with ANY program. Hell, you may even learn the technique of self-control by using an advanced raster editor, since you're you limit yourself to basic features.

Again, as said before, why does the colour count really matter? If you can watch videos on youtube, which the majority of the world obviously can, the colour count of images really doesn't matter.

Unkownsoldier · #22 01-25-2010, 03:36 AM

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zzz

? im using paint bro

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Immolate · #23 01-25-2010, 03:39 AM

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Not sure how you came up with that but I've just checked his images and they don't contain that many colours.

cbk1994 · #24 01-25-2010, 03:44 AM

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Not sure how you came up with that but I've just checked his images and they don't contain that many colours.

I got 7. I'd be willing to bet Aeko accidentally checked the scaled thumbnail image.

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DustyPorViva · #25 01-25-2010, 04:00 AM

Besides the fact it's already been covered... if it's pixel art(as in you're actually pixelling it), color-count DOES matter. Why? Because if you manage your palette, it ends up less work for you. You no longer need to constantly pick new colors as you can just eyedrop a nearby color off the picture or palette that you need. It's just easier and faster to use existing colors than it is to create them.

Clockwork · #26 01-25-2010, 06:04 AM

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I got 7. I'd be willing to bet Aeko accidentally checked the scaled thumbnail image.

EDIT: Yep. This is with the forum-generated thumbnail:

shhh XD

((Also, hurry up and tell me what to make for era

))

smirt362 · #27 01-25-2010, 10:58 AM

I thought I'd give shading it a shot and see what I could come up with. Maybe it will help ya.

Soala · #28 01-25-2010, 01:23 PM

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Besides the fact it's already been covered... if it's pixel art(as in you're actually pixelling it), color-count DOES matter. Why? Because if you manage your palette, it ends up less work for you. You no longer need to constantly pick new colors as you can just eyedrop a nearby color off the picture or palette that you need. It's just easier and faster to use existing colors than it is to create them.

Finaly someone agreeing. This is what I've been trying to explain.
By the way I really thought the bottle had 192 colors (being on iPhone I can't check it out myself) so if its just the forum thumbnail...
Shame on you Aeko

CharlieM · #29 01-25-2010, 04:27 PM

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I thought I'd give shading it a shot and see what I could come up with. Maybe it will help ya.

Looks cool only thing is, yours looks like a milk bottle his looks like an empty bottle or a bottle of water!

Dnegel · #30 01-25-2010, 05:10 PM

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? im using paint bro

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Your probably saved it as a JPEG? Which makes the graphics blurry like when zoomed in, save as PNG.

And try getting Gimp 2.6, amazing program and 100 % free.

Immolate · #31 01-25-2010, 05:19 PM

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Your probably saved it as a JPEG? Which makes the graphics blurry like when zoomed in, save as PNG.

And try getting Gimp 2.6, amazing program and 100 % free.

This has already been resolved?

Liberated · #32 01-25-2010, 06:10 PM

well, i wanted to make a glass bottle myself, in the hope you could get some tips from it by looking at it, i figured this would be better cuz i suck at C&C, the bottle didn't turn out too great, but here's a few tips.

1) The glass is more reflective near the edges, because it is thicker there,
2) Like the other people said, the highlight curves with the neck.
3)Try not to have lines on the inside to show the top of the bottom of the bottle/glass, or where the fluid that's inside it ends.
4)The bottom of the bottle is darker, because there is only a table/ground below there, and that doesnt really allow alot of light to come through, unlike the air behind the rest.
5) What i didn't really pay attention to, glass has alot of highlights, and mostly at corners, because at corners there is usually an angle that reflects the light directly, or more intensely into your eye.

I know my bottle didn't turn out too great, especially the perspective, but i hope the shading helps a bit.

12 colors used: 6 for the blue, 6 for the pink.

Pixelart:
Why do people use so little colors for it? That's how pixelart originated, it's from those old game consoles and computers, that only had a certain amount of bits usable for colors, which usually restricted color use to only a few colors, which let to the optimization of colors, which is still used by alot of people that make pixelart today. Their goal, make things look as good as possible, with as little possible colors.
It also requiers different techniques, like dithering, that make pixel art more interesting, but that are only used because of the color restrictions.

Imperialistic · #33 01-25-2010, 06:28 PM

Looks like the bottom of that first bottle is too pointed and not enough round curve to it.

Liberated · #34 01-25-2010, 06:31 PM

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Looks like the bottom of that first bottle is too pointed and not enough round curve to it.

thank you, couldn't lay my finger on what the problem was, fixed now.

Imperialistic · #35 01-25-2010, 08:33 PM

Looks good to me now, its the shine on the blue bottle that goes straight up which is a bit stange.

Maybe this attached picture can help:

alarid0 · #36 01-26-2010, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

color-count DOES matter. Why? Because if you manage your palette, it ends up less work for you. You no longer need to constantly pick new colors as you can just eyedrop a nearby color off the picture or palette that you need. It's just easier and faster to use existing colors than it is to create them.

First off I want to say that this is more talking about pixel vs brush work in general, if you want me to take this out and move it to it's own thread let me know.

Still, I've got to point at what Dusty posted so it doesn't get drowned. It needs more emphasis. He is dead on with what he's saying. It's true in a single sprite piece, but *especially* if you are making multiple sprites *ESPECIALLY* if those are are animated, your going to be in a world of hurt if you try and create it with dozens of colors.

You have much more control if you use fewer colors. It's easier to keep consistent with the contrast & where the blocks of light and shadow are. If you take a picture out of focus you will start to see where the major portions of color and light are; controlling and adjusting these are monumentally easier when your dealing with a few colors and not a painted image.

Here's something I did 4 years ago. (ignore the dangly bit on the wings

) It looks nice and smooth, but the coloring on it was done completely with the paintbrush tool. Each frame is impossible to keep completely consistent with the last. If you look at each one, the contrast is actually a little different in every single frame. It takes more work to keep it flowing through the entire thing and if I were to finish it as it is, this would be a nightmare. It wouldnt be an issue if I pixeled it.

I'll agree that if you know what your doing its usually easier to work with a smaller pallete no matter what the scope is, but it isn't as crucial in single sprites as it is with animated pieces. Still, if you ever hope to try making something big and animated working with a smaller color count isn't a skill that will come instantly.

About the bottle, there are only a few different colors that I can easily discern. It would look *exactly* the same if it was made with 6 MAYBE 7 colors.

Edit: In defense of digital painting, I'm not always a hardcore pixel pusher. I still do paint stuff half the time.