Bans should display the reason

[cbk1994]

and not a generic reason. Right now, when you try to log on a server you're banned on, it just shows you a reason like "exploiting glitches in the game client" rather than the actual reason entered by staff.

It'd be a lot more informative if it showed the actual reason.

[Tigairius]

well I've already brought this up several times, but I agree

[Cloven]

Indeed, the ability to do this in the past was much better. I believe it would be better to permit us to set specific reasons again. Only Administrators should have the right to ban on servers, anyway.

[Frankie]

agreed.

it's kinda dumb that you may be banned for "event interruption" when the real reason is completely different, and that option was only selected because it's the shortest ban time. it really gives the wrong impression on the player that was banned.

[fowlplay4]

Well they could just add more specific ban reasons, I've learned the players will manipulate your reasoning to the fullest in attempt to make you look bad.

The only problem I can see with allowing us to put in our own reasoning, is all the stupid/bad ban reasons.

I.e: "You are banned because: u r stupid and i dun liek u - some nub"

[Frankie]

regardless of the stupidity that people will put into ban messages, it's extremely convenient to be able to create your own ban message. if anyone puts something offensive or vulgar in the ban message I'm sure globals will take care of it.

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by Frankie

regardless of the stupidity that people will put into ban messages, it's extremely convenient to be able to create your own ban message. if anyone puts something offensive or vulgar in the ban message I'm sure globals will take care of it.

Only if it's classic or gold and the person complains though, I've got a huge ban history but have only been banned for serious 2 times

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I.e: "You are banned because: u r stupid and i dun liek u - some nub"

I do not see how that is a bad ban reason

[Inverness]

Or just make the preselected ban reason optional so you could choose one or enter the amount of days on your own.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Well they could just add more specific ban reasons, I've learned the players will manipulate your reasoning to the fullest in attempt to make you look bad.

The only problem I can see with allowing us to put in our own reasoning, is all the stupid/bad ban reasons.

I.e: "You are banned because: u r stupid and i dun liek u - some nub"

We already leave a reason, and we already just get players either logging on guest accounts or PMing us from other servers asking us the real reason.

You could be banned for "Severely abusing a glitch resulting in a server rollback due to a spawned $11mil", yet it would say you scammed an account, which makes totally no sense.

I got an interesting PM from someone who was banned for sexual harassment once (totally unrelated to sexual harassment)

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Well they could just add more specific ban reasons, I've learned the players will manipulate your reasoning to the fullest in attempt to make you look bad.

The only problem I can see with allowing us to put in our own reasoning, is all the stupid/bad ban reasons.

I.e: "You are banned because: u r stupid and i dun liek u - some nub"

They can still ban you for that. It just won't say that as the reason.

This whole predefined thing doesn't change anything because if someone is going to ban you, they're is going to ban you -- whether it's listed there or not. They're just going to pick the reason with the time closest to what they desire.

[knightfire35]

I agree, but i can understand why they do it. As long as the player gets a "general" idea, because if you have the real technical reason they may not understand it, thus causing more problems. But yes, I agree and hope it happens.

[DarkReaper0]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I.e: "You are banned because: u r stupid and i dun liek u - some nub"

"Who hired this retard? Unless sufficient proof is provided and the reason changed this admin will be fired and the player unbanned" ~Global Admin

Just saying.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

"Who hired this retard? Unless sufficient proof is provided and the reason changed this admin will be fired and the player unbanned" ~Global Admin

Just saying.

That is not a good enough reason to fire somebody.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Well i don't really see why would this be needed? I think that you know what you're banned for?

[TSAdmin]

Why not just have the message that comes up when trying to connect to a server you're banned on include both "Ban type" AND the "Reason" fields?

Message
This account is banned.
Reason: BAN TYPE
Comments: /openaccess' Reason field
Release in TIME

[SymphoniaPrince]

Yeah, I pretty much agree with DuBsTeRmAn, unless it is a corrupt staff banning people... Then the person knows good-N-well what he/she's done....They can play stupid like "What!? I didn't interupt an event!!" or they can stfu ...Lets worry more about the important stuff like reviving this decaying game.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

Well i don't really see why would this be needed? I think that you know what you're banned for?

Not really. Not every ban is justified nor always understood. There are many times players may encounter some bannable reasons without ever honestly being aware. Certain windows being opened will trigger a warning to staff who may automatically ban. Some staff will ban without a good reason or reason at all, and while their reason may be a lie, at least you can see if you actually did something wrong or if they're just lying. There are many ways this would be needed.

Not to mention the predefined lists do not cover all circumstances, so staff will just use whatever reason best fits their time they want to ban, leaving the banned-one going, "WTF... I didn't interrupt an event!!!".

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Not to mention the predefined lists do not cover all circumstances, so staff will just use whatever reason best fits their time they want to ban, leaving the banned-one going, "WTF... I didn't interrupt an event!!!".

This is something that I'm surprised isn't commonsense. The fact that this is currently the system creates more problems than it solves, possibly save for your more serious offenses.

[Admins]

I'm more for adding more ban reasons instead of displaying the ban comments, which are comments and often not very accurate.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Not really. Not every ban is justified nor always understood. There are many times players may encounter some bannable reasons without ever honestly being aware. Certain windows being opened will trigger a warning to staff who may automatically ban. Some staff will ban without a good reason or reason at all, and while their reason may be a lie, at least you can see if you actually did something wrong or if they're just lying. There are many ways this would be needed.

Not to mention the predefined lists do not cover all circumstances, so staff will just use whatever reason best fits their time they want to ban, leaving the banned-one going, "WTF... I didn't interrupt an event!!!".

Well in that case there still is the ''Support Center'' where they could sumbit a ticket and ask for the reason of the ban.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I'm more for adding more ban reasons instead of displaying the ban comments, which are comments and often not very accurate.

Well lets do that then? ;o

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

Well in that case there still is the ''Support Center'' where they could sumbit a ticket and ask for the reason of the ban.

if staff were able to include their own ban messages there would be a lot less support tickets regarding one's ban reason. less support tickets is less stress on the PWAs which makes them do their job better.

if you're going to add more pre-defined ban reasons you should at least separate ban reasons from ban time. that's the whole reason why banning is a mess because there may be a certain amount time that a staff member wants to ban a player, but that time is linked with a ban reason which in no way relate to what the player did.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I'm more for adding more ban reasons instead of displaying the ban comments, which are comments and often not very accurate.

You could display both, but I think just displaying the comments would be best; the actual "reason" selected from the list is also almost always inaccurate.

If you add more reasons, then let us choose the time, or the same thing will happen now. An extreme case of something sometimes happens that warrants a longer ban than the list in RC thinks it should be.

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

Well in that case there still is the ''Support Center'' where they could sumbit a ticket and ask for the reason of the ban.

That would just waste the PWAs time.

[Rufus]

Detach the ban reasons from the amount of time given. People often place fault reasons just so that they can give an appropriate time for the 'crime' that has been done; that is the problem with the current system. A few more additional generic reasons for receiving a ban wouldn't hurt either.

[DustyPorViva]

Or simply allow a custom reason and a separate comment. That way staff can appropriately give what information the player needs, and staff can get all the additional info needed as well.

[Inverness]

Allow ban reasons and their durations to be set by server option.

[Loriel]

Just ban everyone, this hassle is not worth it.

[cbk1994]

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-------- (on Unholy Nation) (Sun Jun 21 02:11:18 2009):
i am banned for javascript in mass messages even though i didnt use it

why?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

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bump again

unknown (on Zodiac) (Tue Aug 04 04:00:42 2009):
So where do you get the logic I stole account from other players....?

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Allow ban reasons and their durations to be set by server option.

This

[Switch]

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

This

Or just allow them to be set by the staff or an extra right, along with the right to Ban, to set their own reason and time.

[fowlplay4]

I don't think it really matters what reason is presented to them, they're just going to try and manipulate it like they do now, and disabling global pm to RC works in helping ignore them too.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I don't think it really matters what reason is presented to them, they're just going to try and manipulate it like they do now, and disabling global pm to RC works in helping ignore them too.

But then theirs those who really don't why they are banned. When i was banned on UN along time ago it didn't say why and i didn't know why. And for some reason staff (on any sever) tend to ignore global messages so you can't figure out why your banned.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Originally Posted by Switch

Or just allow them to be set by the staff or an extra right, along with the right to Ban, to set their own reason and time.

Even better, You could just fill in: Months, Weeks, Days, Hours, Minutes
And the reason, would be enough

[cbk1994]

bump

[Programmer]

I'm more for creating a ban window like this, which I use when I develop multiuser applications outside of Graal:

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Programmer

I'm more for creating a ban window like this, which I use when I develop multiuser applications outside of Graal:

Spiffy window, maybe use a drop down edit text instead of just a text edit, for some predefined responses.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Programmer

I'm more for creating a ban window like this, which I use when I develop multiuser applications outside of Graal:

Assuming the staff comment could be quite large depending on the ban reason I think it should be a multi-line text edit instead of a one-line text edit but it’s just my opinion.

[Programmer]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Spiffy window, maybe use a drop down edit text instead of just a text edit, for some predefined responses.

Perhaps --?