SuperNicks in Depth

ffcmike · #1 03-28-2009, 03:33 AM

I am aware Master Storm already made a thread regarding this project,
but i thought i would elaborate on this.

We intend not only for SuperNicks to become the main Arena again,
but to encourage combat itself.

All of the levels are pretty much tiled and done.
The focus of the levelling was to keep the original layout and feel of SuperNicks but with a tad more detail, aswell as scrap all of the pointless themed spar levels.

As you can see here, the entrance is more or less the same,
crucial differences being the entrance to the main spar arena, and 2 side rooms containing the seperate Spar and PK levels.

The main spar arena is straight forward, and somewhat more changed from the original admittedly.

This level may be more familiar, but again with some clear differences.
This is based on the current "secret" spar within the curtains, but has been adapted into a Tag Team spar.

The other spar level is an arena which uses the Default Hit Detection.
There is also a Default PK level to go with the normal PK level, aswell as "Level 14" Hardcore PK (use of NPCs permitted).

The delay of release is currently down to the fact a completely new and customisable spar arena system class is being made,
not only for SuperNicks but for any future arena.

It should be much easier to implement than what is currently being used at Exodus.
It should also be an improvement, it has similar features to Ibonics old spar in terms of extra displays, options and effects, including some of the ideas (albeit intended in the first place) posted within the other thread like celebrations and sparrer health display.
It is also planned to use a Warp Jewel.

The basics of the Spar System such as the queue > warp > weapons enabled are mostly done, it is all the extra detail, aswell as the Tag Team option which are currently the focus.

jorollychu · #2 03-28-2009, 04:10 AM

**** sparring but dude make it so everyone only has 1 hp in the overworld

too bad ibonic deleted his stuff cuz that was good

ffcmike · #3 03-28-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

**** sparring but dude make it so everyone only has 1 hp in the overworld

too bad ibonic deleted his stuff cuz that was good

Thank you for enlightening me.

DarkCloud_PK · #4 03-28-2009, 08:11 AM

Add a hotkey for joining the queue.
Its been suggested many times by kill and is simple to add.

edit: or add a button that pops up where you can click to join queue, as of now there isnt much mouse support on classic and it is heavily keyboard based, any mouse support would be a good thing imo.

Mark Sir Link · #5 03-28-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Add a hotkey for joining the queue.
Its been suggested many times by kill and is simple to add.

edit: or add a button that pops up where you can click to join queue, as of now there isnt much mouse support on classic and it is heavily keyboard based, any mouse support would be a good thing imo.

What was the point of your many page thread asking for suggestions if you plan to forward them to higher ups via the forums?

jacob_bald6225 · #6 03-28-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Add a hotkey for joining the queue.
Its been suggested many times by kill and is simple to add.

edit: or add a button that pops up where you can click to join queue, as of now there isnt much mouse support on classic and it is heavily keyboard based, any mouse support would be a good thing imo.

DOS like chat commands are a waste, everything players touch should be interfaced.--I agree

-Ramirez- · #7 03-28-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

DOS like chat commands are a waste, everything players touch should be interfaced.--I agree

In your opnion. Interfaces are great for people who don't mind using the keyboard and mouse at the same time, but the option should exist for someone to stay traditional with the keyboard only. There's probably little to no reason to not have both.

Kill · #8 03-28-2009, 02:19 PM

I agree with DC.
Quite surprised it's been atleast 2 weeks since it was suggested yet still not implemented.

xnervNATx · #9 03-28-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kill

I agree with DC.
Quite surprised it's been atleast 2 weeks since it was suggested yet still not implemented.

i do not hate you kill but sometime you annoy me with stuff such as "hey i suggested that a week ago why did you not add it yet?" ive been suggesting thing that sounded good and i dont post 5 times to know if they added it yet.

btw good job to mighty on tiling

DarkCloud_PK · #10 03-28-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

What was the point of your many page thread asking for suggestions if you plan to forward them to higher ups via the forums?

It hasn't been implemented yet, so I suggested it again plus my own idea for it(mouse support). Can you find something better to do than try to discredit my every post? It isn't like you're going to be having a part of what Classic will have to offer anyway, seeing as you can't play the server for the rest of your life.

Shadow87 · #11 03-28-2009, 04:57 PM

As long as supernicks still does have its secrets to it and its original feeling, i don't see why people shouldn't like it. I'm actually looking foward to its new re-release.

But dont forget, it could backfire, im assuming people like Exos because of its cozy, small feeling atmosphere where players can bond and spar and such.

BlackSolider · #12 03-28-2009, 05:16 PM

What will become of exos after the revamped supernicks is released, I wonder.

xnervNATx · #13 03-28-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider

What will become of exos after the revamped supernicks is released, I wonder.

finally dead

Kill · #14 03-28-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

i do not hate you kill but sometime you annoy me with stuff such as "hey i suggested that a week ago why did you not add it yet?" ive been suggesting thing that sounded good and i dont post 5 times to know if they added it yet.

Sometimes, repetition is the only way of getting the message across for action to be done.
If you want me to expand on this I'll be glad to.

BlackSolider · #15 03-28-2009, 08:55 PM

I'll be glad to as well.

MysticX2X · #16 03-28-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kill

Sometimes, repetition is the only way of getting the message across for action to be done.
If you want me to expand on this I'll be glad to.

Sometimes repetition can be annoying while the opposite party already knows, and has it on their long list of things to do.

xnervNATx · #17 03-28-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kill

Sometimes, repetition is the only way of getting the message across for action to be done.
If you want me to expand on this I'll be glad to.

do you really think if you annoy someone with so small suggestion they will make it right away since u asked them to?

ffcmike · #18 03-29-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

do you really think if you annoy someone with so small suggestion they will make it right away since u asked them to?

Laura does make a point here,
i had already mentioned that suggestions had been noted,
the suggestion of a hotkey is not being ignored.

The new arena system is yet to be implemented,
and going back and adding it to the old one will only make things take longer, regardless of how many times it is suggested.

ffcmike · #19 04-20-2009, 12:11 PM

Update:
This is something i had expected to have been done by now,
unfortunately it isn't, but it's not a case of the project being abandoned if anyone thought so,
WhiteDragon hasn't been on much throughout the past week or so and last i heard before this the delay was down to the tag team/multiple sparrers option.

If it does take too long to complete every idea we could always cut back on the luxuries and implement what we have.

Shadow87 · #20 04-21-2009, 05:32 PM

Um no.

Cutback the luxuries and start putting useful content up. Stuff that makes it an actual adventure game.

I think the key aspect Graal the Adventure/Classic is missing, is adventure. Its been failed to have been realized still, hopefully that will happen soon. Maybe if someone else says it they will actually listen.

MysticX2X · #21 04-21-2009, 06:24 PM

As much as attractions other than quests...

Shadow87 · #22 04-21-2009, 07:02 PM

Not quite sure what you mean by that mystic...But Adventure games need adventure in them. Classic no longer has that.

It should either be considered a Chat server, or just like...i don't know..a sit around and maybe someone will host server?

I honestly do not know.

BlackSolider · #23 04-21-2009, 07:11 PM

It hasn't been considered a "sit around and chat until someone decides to host sumo or ctf" server for the past two years?

MysticX2X · #24 04-21-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow87

Not quite sure what you mean by that mystic...But Adventure games need adventure in them. Classic no longer has that.

It should either be considered a Chat server, or just like...i don't know..a sit around and maybe someone will host server?

I honestly do not know.

I'm saying the attractions outside of quests should be given better priority since well...That's what players will be doing most of the time! Quests don't last forever and there needs to be things outside of quests.

Shadow87 · #25 04-21-2009, 07:31 PM

Well if the Dev team was actually good at developing games (since that is their point) Then they would know how to give a quest replay value. Little things here and there. I agree that outside attractions are important, but those can come with sidequests, or just along the way even. They actually have been given to much priority now.

BlackSolider · #26 04-21-2009, 07:38 PM

Tats, explain to me how a classic quest could have replay value. Perhaps the item you got at the end disintegrates over time and thus you have to do the quest again? Idk, I'm new to the "renewable quest" idea, so feel free to explain it to me.

Shadow87 · #27 04-21-2009, 07:43 PM

You are new to it ? Replay value in games has been a big thing all the time.

Lets say for example, you are playing chrono trigger, that has quests that involve doing one in one time period, and having to do the same quest, but its got its differences, in another time period.

Or, being able to do the quests with different amounts of players, and the more players you do it with, maybe the item is different, or the difficulty is different because you have more players helping you.

Anything along those lines. Now if the dev team just isnt skilled enough to do that, then thats a different story and they should stop trying to be advanced, and just be basic. Sometimes being basic is the best route to go.

Or look at GTA, filled with replay value.

...Grand theft auto btw. And i realize some of these games arent in the same genre but yea you get the point.

MysticX2X · #28 04-21-2009, 07:51 PM

We're comparing games that took years to make with paid developers to a game with unpaid developers?

BlackSolider · #29 04-21-2009, 07:53 PM

Ok, for a classic explain, explain how we could add replay value to say, the gnome quest or sardon's tower quest.

xnervNATx · #30 04-21-2009, 07:56 PM

id like to redo those quest over and over , SRSLY

maximus_asinus · #31 04-21-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Ok, for a classic explain, explain how we could add replay value to say, the gnome quest or sardon's tower quest.

We could add some sort of "Time Attack" mode where whoever completes a quest faster is awarded with some sort of trophy.

BlackSolider · #32 04-21-2009, 09:00 PM

Interesting idea max.

Shadow87 · #33 04-21-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

We're comparing games that took years to make with paid developers to a game with unpaid developers?

Well if you aren't going to try hard then why try at all? Classic has been years in the making still, and like I said, if you don't have the skill to be advanced, stick with basic stuff still.

And you don't have to add to those two quests glad, could add different difficulties though.

But it could be added to quests not released yet, but they should be the ones thinking of ways to do it, its just my suggestion to say put in replay content

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Shadow87 · #34 04-21-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

We could add some sort of "Time Attack" mode where whoever completes a quest faster is awarded with some sort of trophy.

and yes, that's a perfect idea!'

Polo · #35 04-22-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

We could add some sort of "Time Attack" mode where whoever completes a quest faster is awarded with some sort of trophy.

That's an excellent idea, and would fit quite well with some of the quest ideas I've been designing.

maximus_asinus · #36 04-22-2009, 04:13 PM

I also agree, that was an excellent idea.

Shadow87 · #37 04-22-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I also agree, that was an excellent idea.

Excellent.

Luda · #38 04-22-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I also agree, that was an excellent idea.

Yes this is a great idea! We could also add a Time Attack!

Shadow87 · #39 04-22-2009, 07:42 PM

Luda not funny!
Luda not funny!

Luda · #40 04-22-2009, 07:48 PM

excellent