Lack of Events

[FenixTheBanished]

There seems to be a major lack of events or activities that staff members are doing. I am not sure why this is, but I have seen nearly no events being done since the week of Halloween, which was almost a month ago. The only ones I have seen are some by Plasma and the "big event" called 'Murder'. Maroku has hosted a couple raffles but that is mostly it. There used to be events almost daily or close enough so that people had things to look forward to and enjoy. I would like to see, and I am sure I am not the only one, more events or activities being held to pull more people to play our server. Just a thought, hope it gets heeded.

-Fenix

[kia345]

I told Maroku to rehire me because the EMs suck. I'm apparently not allowed to tell him what to do.

[Stephen]

We have begun a events schedule, which guarantees a specific number of events at specific times. This schedule doesn't limit events to those times, but instead guarantees that an event will occur - so that you may be ready and expect it.

Half an hour previous to the creation of this thread, there was a large series of events held. It's hardly reasonable to expect the EMs to create a new event every week, or they would spend less time hosting the "regular" events and more working on their new ones.

I have encouraged our events team to be creative, while asking them to keep a priority to their existing schedules. I think if anything, we have created a much more stable events environment - all events are logged, their winners logged, and the prizes given away without any actual decrease in the previous events schedule.

In closing, what I'm suggesting is that this is a error of expectations, and that while at least maintaining the previous level of events, we have increased and regulated events from their previous state.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stephen

We have begun a events schedule, which guarantees a specific number of events at specific times. This schedule doesn't limit events to those times, but instead guarantees that an event will occur - so that you may be ready and expect it.

Me and Pat had like 30 events a week with half decent prizes before this ****ty "LOLSCHEDULES" idea came up. Give the EMs a loaded bag and say "host it all this week or you're fired".

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by kia345

Me and Pat had like 30 events a week with half decent prizes before this ****ty "LOLSCHEDULES" idea came up. Give the EMs a loaded bag and say "host it all this week or you're fired".

Originally Posted by Stephen

We have begun a events schedule, which guarantees a specific number of events at specific times. This schedule doesn't limit events to those times, but instead guarantees that an event will occur - so that you may be ready and expect it.

I guess you didn't read the first paragraph in the post you were responding to.

[Googi]

It would be good if kingdoms could host more events, but it's hard to get the word out to members since most don't read the forums (though I'm trying to build a database of Zormite E-Mails/AIM names to remedy this). It might be a good idea to let each kingdom to appoint a person to receive an EM tag. Maybe even two if they can demonstrate a timezone need. The kingdom EM wouldn't be able to pillory. They wouldn't be given an events bag, but they would be able to host server-wide events (funded by themselves or the kingdom) for kingdom publicity/recruitment.

[Gothika]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

I am not sure why this is, but I have seen nearly no events being done since the week of Halloween, which was almost a month ago. The only ones I have seen are some by Plasma and the "big event" called 'Murder'. Maroku has hosted a couple raffles but that is mostly it.

I done that big Hotaru Tourement a week ago, and a pretty decent buried treasure event the other weekend.
And I'll be doing Soccer and Hockey this weekend too.

Originally Posted by kia345

I told Maroku to rehire me because the EMs suck.

Thanks a bunch.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Gothika

I done that big Hotaru Tourement a week ago, and a pretty decent buried treasure event the other weekend.
And I'll be doing Soccer and Hockey this weekend too.



Thanks a bunch.

Yes, but I am speaking on a more small scale, not big touranments or anything of that sort, because those are needed and fun and spice things up, it doesnt help with the day to day where for a week you have a couple events when before we would have some almost every day. Now im not saying this to try to flood the economy with ecs or w/e else prizes, but it helps with people wanting to be on because clearly, after you get to how long you and i have played, there is not anything in the game that you havent already done 100x over. So it just helps people wanna play when they are in an event and compete against each other.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I guess you didn't read the first paragraph in the post you were responding to.

I wasn't so much as replying to your post, but replying to the schedule itself.

Originally Posted by Gothika

Thanks a bunch.

That's why I love you so much, you're so forgiving <3

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Yes, but I am speaking on a more small scale, not big touranments or anything of that sort, because those are needed and fun and spice things up, it doesnt help with the day to day where for a week you have a couple events when before we would have some almost every day. Now im not saying this to try to flood the economy with ecs or w/e else prizes, but it helps with people wanting to be on because clearly, after you get to how long you and i have played, there is not anything in the game that you havent already done 100x over. So it just helps people wanna play when they are in an event and compete against each other.

There are events daily.

Originally Posted by kia345

I wasn't so much as replying to your post, but replying to the schedule itself.

The schedule doesn't limit events; it simply guarantees there'll be at least one event at a specific and dependable time.

[Soala]

There should be Events Masters for each Kingdoms, if only GK had a bit more players

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by alexandralove

There should be Events Masters for each Kingdoms, if only GK had a bit more players

I don't see why Kingdoms need Events Masters. Any member of a kingdom can host an event in a kingdom not just the leader. I know when Sam was Events Admin he told the current Events Masters to use the event rights to help with kingdom events.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The schedule doesn't limit events; it simply guarantees there'll be at least one event at a specific and dependable time.

There shouldn't have to be a guarantee. EM's should be constantly active and should host whenever they're on with prizes. It's not like they where coerced into the job, they volunteered to spend their time hosting, that's how they should be spending most of their time on Kingdoms.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by kia345

There shouldn't have to be a guarantee. EM's should be constantly active and should host whenever they're on with prizes. It's not like they where coerced into the job, they volunteered to spend their time hosting, that's how they should be spending most of their time on Kingdoms.

We only chose EMs who were interested. They're not "coerced", they were asked.

That at specific times so players know they can depend on an event at that specific time & day every week. It's fairly simplistic.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by cyan3

I don't see why Kingdoms need Events Masters. Any member of a kingdom can host an event in a kingdom not just the leader. I know when Sam was Events Admin he told the current Events Masters to use the event rights to help with kingdom events.

If an EM had to find another EM and host all their events through them, do you think they would host more or fewer events than if they could host them themselves?

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Googi

If an EM had to find another EM and host all their events through them, do you think they would host more or fewer events than if they could host them themselves?

True, but you don't need fancy rights to host good events within kingdoms. but the options is available if an Events Master is willing to help.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That at specific times so players know they can depend on an event at that specific time & day every week. It's fairly simplistic.

They shouldn't need a list to expect an event. There's enough EMs, there should always be an EM on to, or at least be willing to, host.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by kia345

They shouldn't need a list to expect an event. There's enough EMs, there should always be an EM on to, or at least be willing to, host.

Pojo, please use some consideration before posting. The reason for scheduled event is to try to regulate player count. So the players who do not play often know, if they're bored and want some fun but don't want to hang out on Graal they an log on at those specific times each week for a short break from their work.

I really feel I've explained the process behind the schedule clearly enough to remove any confusion.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by kia345

They shouldn't need a list to expect an event. There's enough EMs, there should always be an EM on to, or at least be willing to, host.

/agreed

and the whole coerced thing was making a point that they volunteered to become an EM and he wasnt implicating at all that they were coerced into their jobs. and i agree a schedule is nice, however the events arent always, no near always hosted during those times on the scheduled days. As i said before there are plenty of EMs doing nothing with their tag and there are others doing something. I have been on during some of the times that there were supposed to be scheduled events and there were not any, more than once, if not habitual. And Stephen youre taking this thread as a personal attack, which is your decision, but I do not believe anywhere in here I mentioned your name about you not doing your job. You and Maroku have the logs, you know who has been hosting when theyre scheduled and when the other ones are hosting. If youre taking it personal then thats something you need to work out with yourself because i do believe, and everyone can attest, that your name hasnt been said.

By no means should any EMs be harassed into eventing, but if they want to be EMs then i think that they should be eventing, atleast on a bi-weekly basis for each EM and that would provide a plethora of events for people to enjoy because i think there are... Nayt, Pat, Plasma, Mar, Drakeero, Mez, and Tig hosts them occasionally. thats 7 EMs. that would mean at least *14* occurrences of multiple events each. More than enough to make people happy.

Not sure why people went off in a tangent about Kingdom events, but I believe that the kingdoms should be organized and scheduled in a way that if you want to have a kingdom event then it should be notified like atleast 3-7 days in advance so people have the opportunity to respond and prepare, and I dont think it would be hard to arrange an EM being present if it is needed with that kind of advanced notice.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stephen

regulate player count

There isn't a playercount to regulate. If you're trying to draw people on by using events, people need to think there's constantly an event going on.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Pojo, please use some consideration before posting. The reason for scheduled event is to try to regulate player count. So the players who do not play often know, if they're bored and want some fun but don't want to hang out on Graal they an log on at those specific times each week for a short break from their work.

I really feel I've explained the process behind the schedule clearly enough to remove any confusion.

im sort of confused on why you would want to regulate playercount, you should want a continuous player count through out the day so that not just one time zone or period of time is much more heavily populated than others.

Making people think that getting at 24:00-3:00 srevertime means events and then they can just log off and go to a different server is much worse then people constantly wondering when there will be events and coming on to actually spend time playing instead of just showing up for events that are scheduled at ______ time *and then leaving to other servers to play there.*

[Ravenblade1979]

Ya know when I was an EM (please no flaming) I did try to make sure i hosted everyday at least.

Now before pojo decides to flame me. yes there were a number of months I didn't host BUT IF YOU HAD BEEN ON WHEN I HAD POJO THERE WERE SUPER LOW NUMBERS.

EM's can't host with like 1 or 2 gold members being afk in trade and like 3 trials running around. I went through this with you...end of story.

You hate me so lets leave it to pm's.

If this is a problem maybe stephen, tig and Maroku can sit down and maybe think of hiring EM's just to host regular events with like EC's (dias etc) and then have the other EM's do the scheduled events.

I don't know just an idea. I know this post will be turned against me so w/e. Its an idea to think about anyways.

[Googi]

Pretty much every argument here for or against the schedule is based on the faulty premise that knowledge of the schedule is actually widespread.

[Sam]

I think as long as this is not going into a flame or bash thread players should talkl about their wishes. so I reopend the thread.

[Tigairius]

The events schedule is an important part of the events team on Graal Kingdoms. It is carefully considered and certainly not forced. The only difference is, as far as I know, Events Masters who participate in the events schedule receive a bonus amount of staff coins at the end of the week. We're not just going to hire tons of Events Masters without careful consideration because each Events Master that is hired increases the possibility of corruption. All Events Masters are chosen carefully in a timely manner but with consideration to not choose the wrong person.

You're simply asking too much for there to constantly be events. If there were constantly events the price of event coins would shoot down, all other prizes given out in events would make the items valueless and as a result the economy would be struck quite hard. It's not as simple as "hold more events!" The only reasonable way to do this would be to drastically increase the price of items in the event shop and only give out event coins.

I agree that there aren't as many events as there should be sometimes, and that's why I start holding events. I really think this thread has no base to the argument other than simply wanting to argue. If you have an idea or plans on how we can improve the Events Master system in a professional and considerate way, please let me know.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

The events schedule is an important part of the events team on Graal Kingdoms. It is carefully considered and certainly not forced. The only difference is, as far as I know, Events Masters who participate in the events schedule receive a bonus amount of staff coins at the end of the week. We're not just going to hire tons of Events Masters without careful consideration because each Events Master that is hired increases the possibility of corruption. All Events Masters are chosen carefully in a timely manner but with consideration to not choose the wrong person.

You're simply asking too much for there to constantly be events. If there were constantly events the price of event coins would shoot down, all other prizes given out in events would make the items valueless and as a result the economy would be struck quite hard. It's not as simple as "hold more events!" The only reasonable way to do this would be to drastically increase the price of items in the event shop and only give out event coins.

I agree that there aren't as many events as there should be sometimes, and that's why I start holding events. I really think this thread has no base to the argument other than simply wanting to argue. If you have an idea or plans on how we can improve the Events Master system in a professional and considerate way, please let me know.

Thats just the thing, this thread has nothing to do with arguing and it annoys me that everyone assumes that. I am not the only one who feels there haven't been that many events, and everyone jumps to conclusions that im saying "HOLD DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS!"

Thats not what I am saying at all and everyone just assumes to jump to that conclusion. The people that are holding events are more or less Maroku, *Naith*, and Plasma on a more or less consistent basis. I know that other EMs have prizes and what not that just choose not to event their stuff while theyre online, and Im not going to name any names, and there also have been some EMs that have been completely inactive, once again not naming anyone. I think we have an ample amount of current EMs, but only like 3 are holding events consistently. And Im not asking for there to be events 24/7 nor constantly, but like 1-3 a day I dont think is all that much considering that its not like ONLY ECs can be evented, Sapphires, Rubies, Carrots, EAs, IWDs, Diamonds, ECs, Immenses, Brutals, and some other interested things that you sometimes come up with (Tig) give more then ample amount of things to event. The number of ACTUAL EMs is perfectly fine because when they are all eventing, like before Halloween, it was great, and in that time i didnt see any drastic change in prices, if anything the cost of immenses, brutals, & ecs have gone up because of lack of availability *and increase in demand of players wanting to level*.

Tig and Stephen and anyone else that sees my threads as flaming should assume that unless I am actually flaming someone that I name then I'm not, because if I want to flame Ill just flame. But I was just addressing an issue that I myself felt was in need of attention, but also had people mentioning it to me and when I would bring it up, agreeing with me. So I felt the need to make a thread that got out of hand with people pointing fingers or assuming that I was pointing them. So, in that respect, I am sorry to cause the confusion. I am just bringing up topics that I know are being talked about between players, but some either don't feel that they should say anything, don't have forum access, or whatever other reasons exist. Just trying to find out what's up and what staff thinks is going on. So, for future reference, if I make a controversial thread, which is my tendency *because otherwise there is no reason to make one in my opinion*, just look at what I am saying and take it at face value, don't assume I'm flaming please.

And thank you for reopening the thread.

[Gothika]

Why does my name have **'s around it?

Anyway, speaking from the inside. I find scheduled events hard to host.
When I done the big Hotaru Tournement with Maroku we found out that the players have a hard job of getting online at specific times, especialy those who have college.
And obviously you can't find a stable time to fit in all the different time zones.

[CABAL49]

Originally Posted by Googi

Pretty much every argument here for or against the schedule is based on the faulty premise that knowledge of the schedule is actually widespread.

This pretty much sums up my opinion of the schedule. Most of the players of GK don't use the forums.

[Craigus]

I think the idea for having some set times and some planned events each week for some of the events is a great idea, i believe alot of events are not held because of lack of players and even if just a few more log on at the select times it could allow the EM's to hold more intresting events. At the moment they can be held back by playercount.

If this system was put in place i know that i for one would attend alot more events then i currently do.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

The events schedule is an important part of the events team on Graal Kingdoms.

Important? It's only been around a short time, I never remember having to keep a schedule, and we seemed to get along fine - if not better - without it.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by kia345

Important? It's only been around a short time, I never remember having to keep a schedule, and we seemed to get along fine - if not better - without it.

I agree with Pojo on this point. From the sounds of it you have had more difficulty with scheduled events then with the old system.

I mean you could do the bigger events scheduled but the smaller more common ones just let the em's host whenever. You don't neccessarily have to give out EC's in them..maybe brutals or rubies. Keep the bigger prices for the scheduled events.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I agree with Pojo on this point. From the sounds of it you have had more difficulty with scheduled events then with the old system.

The events schedule isn't forced, it is merely a 'background' support system for the events team. So it is still the old system, EMs can still host events at any time they want, but if the EMs sign up, they have to host at the time they signed up as well as any time they want. The schedule system can do nothing but benefit GK.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

EMs can still host events at any time they want

The problem is that they don't. That's why there's so few events, because they stick to the schedule. Ditch the schedule and require there be an event hosted 8/10ths of the day everyday.

If you log on and see an EM off tag and no event has been hosted 10 minutes ago, then there's a problem.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by kia345

The problem is that they don't. That's why there's so few events, because they stick to the schedule. Ditch the schedule and require there be an event hosted 8/10ths of the day everyday.

If you log on and see an EM off tag and no event has been hosted 10 minutes ago, then there's a problem.

The first part is completely accurate, however the second part i do somewhat disagree with because the EMs dont get paid enough for it to be a full time job, plain and simple. So every EM that logs on should do 2-4 events a day and thats good enough.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by kia345

The problem is that they don't. That's why there's so few events, because they stick to the schedule. Ditch the schedule and require there be an event hosted 8/10ths of the day everyday.

If you log on and see an EM off tag and no event has been hosted 10 minutes ago, then there's a problem.

Point some EMs my way who can reliably be online every single day and host 2-4 events every single day. They must also act professional and must be of good character. Preferably in forum PM. You may not recommend yourself. Make sure they aren't the kind of person to get tired of the job and go inactive.

Let's go, serious entries please.

[kia345]

Assuming GK actually had the playercount to support it, hiring 7-10 EMs to host 2-4 times a day 5-7 days a week would be the perfect move. But GK doesn't have the amount of players to have that many Event Masters. It can't live completely off events. But if there was enough to actually bring players onto the server, then it would actually be possible and beneficial to have several EMs who can constantly host. It's not like it's impossible to find good people, GK just doesn't have a big enough community pool to pick people out of.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by kia345

Assuming GK actually had the playercount to support it, hiring 7-10 EMs to host 2-4 times a day 5-7 days a week would be the perfect move. But GK doesn't have the amount of players to have that many Event Masters. It can't live completely off events. But if there was enough to actually bring players onto the server, then it would actually be possible and beneficial to have several EMs who can constantly host. It's not like it's impossible to find good people, GK just doesn't have a big enough community pool to pick people out of.

Generally I found that unless its a holiday or summer there's not many people on due to school/university/college/work.

Now i know people who do work come on but your right its not enough.

So instead of this topic why not another to get community views on how to improve/add to GK to bring in more people. I mean other then putting it on iphone (thats how zone is so popular).

@Tig: I do agree with you on your latest post but as it seems you already have enough on GK so why not try to call a meeting with them or at least email them with an updated rule. Maybe...Host at least twice everyday when you are on.

Actually send that to the ones who are on everyday like Drakeero or whoever.

I mean yeah I had a piss poor attitude and people hated me but at least I still hosted a couple of times a day (up until those months that we had like no one on during when I was).

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Generally I found that unless its a holiday or summer there's not many people on due to school/university/college/work

It's called time management Ravenblade. If you're going to volunteer to do something, that means you better have time to do it. School comes up? That's too damn bad, guess you're going to have to choose one over the other. Gotta get job? Quit hosting events and do it. That doesn't mean become an inactive staff member, it means quit. If you volunteer to something, you had better have time set aside for it. That's the exact same problem everyone had with Bjorn. He wouldn't step down, but then when we *****ed about his inactivity "BLAH BLAH SCHOOL BLAH BLAH WORK".

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by kia345

It's called time management Ravenblade. If you're going to volunteer to do something, that means you better have time to do it. School comes up? That's too damn bad, guess you're going to have to choose one over the other. Gotta get job? Quit hosting events and do it. That doesn't mean become an inactive staff member, it means quit. If you volunteer to something, you had better have time set aside for it. That's the exact same problem everyone had with Bjorn. He wouldn't step down, but then when we *****ed about his inactivity "BLAH BLAH SCHOOL BLAH BLAH WORK".

I think youre more bashing him then actually discussing what he said.

His point wasn't about your tanget. He was making the point that PLAYERS, not STAFF, have work/school, etc. so that there arent enough people on to justify hosting.

[BigBear3]

Events? Huh?

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

I think youre more bashing him then actually discussing what he said.

WELL DUH!




Now let me tell you why I don't host as much as I used to.

I hate logging. Sorry. I still host more than most of the EMs. I just HATE logging them.