Community Scripting Project - Page 2

cbk1994 · #41 07-26-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Yes, it does mean that the scripters "should" write the scripts that will help out the maximum number of people.

No, it doesn't. I choose to work on Vesporia, and that is the server I want to make scripts for. You fail to see the whole point of server competition; this is, in part, what makes developing fun. To know that you have a better server than others (or that you are creating one which will be better than others).

People who start their own servers should know that they need scripters.

I'm fine with people using scripts in the code gallery, or other scripts that have been released.

DrakilorP2P · #42 07-26-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

No, it doesn't. I choose to work on Vesporia, and that is the server I want to make scripts for. You fail to see the whole point of server competition; this is, in part, what makes developing fun. To know that you have a better server than others (or that you are creating one which will be better than others).

Most hobbyist programmers code for the sake of coding rather than for any real or perceived gain from having a better product than someone else.

Young teenagers are exempt from this, of course: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=80426

Inverness · #43 07-26-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

^ The exact reason why entire servers shouldn't be made open-source.

Baddies are typically very complex scripts and few have the ability to make them. It would benefit Graal as a whole if there was an open-source modular baddie script that servers could use and customize to fit their server.

If I ever get around to making a baddie it will most definitely be open source.

cbk1994 · #44 07-26-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

Most hobbyist programmers code for the sake of coding rather than for any real or perceived gain from having a better product than someone else.

I don't code for the sake of coding, I code to create an awesome server.

Inverness · #45 07-26-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't code for the sake of coding, I code to create an awesome server.

He said most not all.

DustyPorViva · #46 07-26-2008, 08:06 PM

I code because I'm bored and I have an idea I want to see come to life.

Crono · #47 07-26-2008, 08:06 PM

I code because I'm better than all of you at it.

Hell yeah.

LoneAngelIbesu · #48 07-26-2008, 08:36 PM

Again, might I ask why you people are saying "No, don't do this. I don't like the idea."? I personally don't care if you like the idea or not. I like it. I'll do it.

Kristi · #49 07-26-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Again, might I ask why you people are saying "No, don't do this. I don't like the idea."? I personally don't care if you like the idea or not. I like it. I'll do it.

They are probably saying they don't like the idea because they do not like the idea. Call that a clever leap.

I also think this is a terrible idea (not to mention the threadstarter did so just for attention.)

If we are going to make open scripts, we can actually make something useful instead of something that just does the job of what is already done. Like as said before, perhaps baddies.

LoneAngelIbesu · #50 07-26-2008, 09:01 PM

Because we shouldn't be giving out core systems for people to copy and paste. I don't care if people think they're hard; they've been done before without an "open-source, modular script". But if you want to, go ahead. It's your prerogative.

(That's how people should be responding. Not "this is so useless, it's so stupid; don't do it at all".)

excaliber7388 · #51 07-26-2008, 09:20 PM

We do give out core systems: The entire Mac client is based off of scripts

I'm just saying add more functionality through scripts. Maybe it would be put in the next client.

But I can see you all are too stuck up to work on a community project anyway (hopefully, none of you are too surprised when you're hired by a programming firm of some sort, and find you're only making one class for the program).

Loriel · #52 07-26-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Because we shouldn't be giving out core systems for people to copy and paste.

Yes, we should, so that playerworlds actually get done instead of dying pitifully in the depths of the server list.

By "we should", I mean "you guys who actually do gs2 should"

LoneAngelIbesu · #53 07-26-2008, 09:26 PM

They die out because they're not good enough. Natural selection.

Inverness · #54 07-26-2008, 10:00 PM

Dylan its really not up to you what I do with the core systems that I make for Valikorlia.

In case anyone doesn't know, Dylan is a Developer on Valikorlia and I'm his boss when it comes to script-related matters.

LoneAngelIbesu · #55 07-26-2008, 10:20 PM

I'm pretty sure it's up to the Manager.

Besides, that's completely irrelevant. Plus, I already said that if somebody wants to do it, they can. I'm no authority.

Unpredlctable · #56 07-26-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

We do give out core systems: The entire Mac client is based off of scripts

I'm just saying add more functionality through scripts. Maybe it would be put in the next client.

But I can see you all are too stuck up to work on a community project anyway (hopefully, none of you are too surprised when you're hired by a programming firm of some sort, and find you're only making one class for the program).

[email protected] · #57 07-26-2008, 11:42 PM

there isn't really much point unless stefan added it as a global weapon [which i doubt] and why in hell would you want a calculator on Graal or a notepad [that staff can probably read] for that matter when you could simply use your computers desktop software for both...?
where exactly is the logic...

LoneAngelIbesu · #58 07-26-2008, 11:47 PM

You guys are absolutely impossible. This thread was to recruit people to help, not to criticize and run in to the ground.

I, for one, will provide documented scripts that go along with this project's idea (whether or not the project happens; I think it's good practice, and it'll provide good examples). If you don't want to, that's great; don't participate.

Loriel · #59 07-27-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Unpredlctable

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excaliber7388 · #60 07-27-2008, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

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Googi · #61 07-27-2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I'm just saying add more functionality through scripts. Maybe it would be put in the next client.

The point people are making isn't that adding functionality is a bad idea, just that the functionality you proposed is not very useful.

LoneAngelIbesu · #62 07-27-2008, 07:23 AM

I think things like battle/baddie systems should be documented, and bare-bones examples would be extremely useful to those that want to learn. But, that's not the idea that was proposed here.

Inverness · #63 07-27-2008, 03:18 PM

An open source baddie script would be ten times more useful than what was proposed here.

excaliber7388 · #64 07-27-2008, 03:21 PM

I suppose some good open source baddy, NPC character, etc scripts would be good. A rescript and improvement of all those predefined scripts in GS1.

LoneAngelIbesu · #65 07-27-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

An open source baddie script would be ten times more useful than what was proposed here.

Yes, I know that. I said. But, that's not was proposed. There's no need to run this in to the ground just because you think something else is more useful. Suggesting that it be part of this community scripting project is different, though.

Loriel · #66 07-27-2008, 08:23 PM

Look, we get it. You hate useful things. You can go troll elsewhere now.

LoneAngelIbesu · #67 07-27-2008, 08:43 PM

Somehow what I'm doing is trolling, but what you're doing isn't.

The_Kez · #68 07-27-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

I am not sure what you are going on about, but I am tempted all the time to demand in the Future Improvements forum that everybody can view every server's scripts and save their levels. There is really no downside.

Downside: I won't work for Graal servers anymore. Don't know about others, but I think the code gallery is easily accessable enough for player's who need scripts.
The last thing we need is servers which are practically exact duplicates of each other.

Loriel · #69 07-27-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

Downside: I won't work for Graal servers anymore.

I am pretty sure we are prepared to take that risk.

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The last thing we need is servers which are practically exact duplicates of each other.

This is not going to happen anyway.

The_Kez · #70 07-27-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

I am pretty sure we are prepared to take that risk.

This is not going to happen anyway.

The implication is not that Graal cannot live without me, but that it cannot live without every scripter who feels the same way I do.

And don't be naive. Look at the amount of posts on this forum from 'developers' who are more interested in leeching from other scripters and having their threads locked then actually attempting to learn to script.

Loriel · #71 07-27-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

The implication is not that Graal cannot live without me, but that it cannot live without every scripter who feels the same way I do.

The implication is that we could do well without you selfish ****s.

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And don't be naive. Look at the amount of posts on this forum from 'developers' who are more interested in leeching from other scripters and having their threads locked then actually attempting to learn to script.

If we had more useful, well-written scripts available to everybody, I am sure we would have more enthusiastic people figuring out how to script on their own.

Unpredlctable · #72 07-27-2008, 09:14 PM

ha and you guys call yourselves trolls

cbk1994 · #73 07-27-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

The implication is that we could do well without you selfish ****s.

It's not selfish to not want to release scripts you make. I don't see people saying that everyone should be able to use everyone else's graphics, animations, or levels.

Also, are you a scripter?

The_Kez · #74 07-27-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

The implication is that we could do well without you selfish ****s.

If we had more useful, well-written scripts available to everybody, I am sure we would have more enthusiastic people figuring out how to script on their own.

To your first point: If we were all selfish there would be nothing in the code gallery. I've posted there on plenty of occasions when I wanted to help the newer developers out with certain system scripts.

To your second point: Very,very doubtful. If they need to work less, there is no reason why they would somehow change their thinking and decide to work more.

Inverness · #75 07-27-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Also, are you a scripter?

You joined March 2003, you should know the answer to that.

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

To your second point: Very,very doubtful. If they need to work less, there is no reason why they would somehow change their thinking and decide to work more.

Are you saying that if there were scripts available to everyone that you would work less and not learn?

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Yes, I know that. I said. But, that's not was proposed. There's no need to run this in to the ground just because you think something else is more useful. Suggesting that it be part of this community scripting project is different, though.

If we're going to have any proposed scripted projects they need to be useful things.

[email protected] · #76 07-27-2008, 10:01 PM

i learned alot from loriel, he a tuff guy

I am to agree with Loriel, I don't see why the playerworlds are not open source. I'd do it for Era even though the scripts are poor.

The_Kez · #77 07-27-2008, 10:02 PM

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Are you saying that if there were scripts available to everyone that you would work less and not learn?

No, because I'm a scripter and I'm already interested in learning to script as I have been since the early GS1 days. I'm saying there are a lot of players on graal interesting in creating a server who are not interested in learning to script, but more interested in leeching scripts and asking others to do all of their work for them. That has been well known for a long time.

Inverness · #78 07-27-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

No, because I'm a scripter and I'm already interested in learning to script as I have been since the early GS1 days. I'm saying there are a lot of players on graal interesting in creating a server who are not interested in learning to script, but more interesting in leeching scripts and asking others to do all of their work for them. That has been well known for a long time.

That's your point of view at least. So how do you know they're not interested in learning to script exactly?

I know I learned to script by getting my hands on already done scripts acquired through questionable means. At least that's how I started off.

The_Kez · #79 07-27-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

That's your point of view at least. So how do you know they're not interested in learning to script exactly?

I know I learned to script by getting my hands on already done scripts acquired through questionable means. At least that's how I started off.

I'm not saying there are no people who want to learn to script. For those people open source is a good idea, but to say EVERY script uploaded to every server should be open source is unfair to creators of servers who want their scripts to remain theirs and not be copy/pasted to private servers by players who don't want to do any of there own work.

I believe Skyld just temporarily banned an account from this forum called GULTHEX for asking to script help in 6 different forum topics, and you could see by the treads he created and the content in them that he could not have been less interested in learning, he was only interested in taking scripts and copy/pasting them into his server, if he could even be bothered to figure out how to do that.

Inverness · #80 07-27-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

but to say EVERY script uploaded to every server should be open source is unfair to creators of servers who want their scripts to remain theirs and not be copy/pasted to private servers by players who don't want to do any of there own work.

Who cares? If its a private server its not like its going to go Classic if its just a clone of another server or if its just patch worked together with scripts from different places that don't even work together.

If the server were to gain enough quality and uniqueness to go Classic then I highly doubt the scripts will even look like what they were when they were originally taken from elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by The_Kez

I believe Skyld just temporarily banned an account from this forum called GULTHEX for asking to script help in 6 different forum topics, and you could see by the treads he created and the content in them that he could not have been less interested in learning, he was only interested in taking scripts and copy/pasting them into his server, if he could even be bothered to figure out how to do that.

He was just banned for making so many topics.