Harrasement and Locks

[jkool666]

Alright, one thing I've noticed a lot lately is problems elevating from locks and harrasement.

Harrasement is against the rules, and if you harrase other players you will be punished. Usually I freeze the player on CTF, and explain to them they are breaking the rules and if they continue they will be locked. And then I let them go, follow them around for a bit and if they improve I leave them alone. But then most players flip out and swear at me, which is obviously expected.

I want to try and explain something to you:
The more you swear, over react and flip out at a staff member, the more you lose. If you stay calm, recieve their talk and no-longer harrase others you will not be locked.
Now if you are locked, deal with it... its an hour, go outside or something. Again if you flip out about a lock you will only recieve a longer one.

[anubis_wing]

Jesse, it's Harass, no e in it!


But I agree, a lot of people think they should be allowed to harass someone and get away with it, it's just dumb.

[seanthien]

This gave me a idea, why can't et's go invisible. O.o

This would help them catch people that disobey rules. :3

[anubis_wing]

Originally Posted by seanthien

This gave me a idea, why can't et's go invisible. O.o

This would help them catch people that disobey rules. :3

A lot of ETs have proposed the idea, nothing has yet to be done.

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by seanthien

This gave me a idea, why can't et's go invisible. O.o

This would help them catch people that disobey rules. :3

Judging by the current staff roster, it would be abused far too often.

[Ravenblade1979]

tells you what you think of us huwa

[anubis_wing]

I trust all my Ets, I don't think they'd abuse, well Mightylord maybe.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

tells you what you think of us huwa

Tells us what you think of huwa also..
Yes I know this tells what I think of you...

[Horrified]

Originally Posted by seanthien

This gave me a idea, why can't et's go invisible. O.o

Spying on other people? :/

If they have the respect to at least not harass near a visible ET, then they don't deserve to be locked. If the harassed isn't reporting that they're being harassed, then it's there fault for refusing to PM a ET or something.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Tells us what you think of huwa also..
Yes I know this tells what I think of you...

I have respect for Huwa but what he said was kinda hurtful and as for you..well you know my views.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by Horrified

Spying on other people? :/

If they have the respect to at least not harass near a visible ET, then they don't deserve to be locked. If the harassed isn't reporting that they're being harassed, then it's there fault for refusing to PM a ET or something.

You think zone players are very smart don't you? Well it's quite the other way around. Zone is like, anti social place,filled with not so smart people.:3

Respect? It's more of fear of bearing locked,they'd do it anway.You haven't seen a zone player when they don't like a staff have you?''zomg fk noob staff. u don no nuttin i report u''

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

tells you what you think of us huwa

Not you Raven. I'll always luv u.

[UnknownMasterMind]

Its probably me...

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Huwajux

Not you Raven. I'll always luv u.

Stop making me blush.

[anubis_wing]

He means me, Huwajux has a very, very low of me. It sucks :[

[Horrified]

Originally Posted by seanthien

You think zone players are very smart don't you? Well it's quite the other way around. Zone is like, anti social place,filled with not so smart people.:3

Respect? It's more of fear of bearing locked,they'd do it anway.You haven't seen a zone player when they don't like a staff have you?''zomg fk noob staff. u don no nuttin i report u''

so why bother having spy if they'd do it anyway in front of an ET?

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by jkool666

Alright, one thing I've noticed a lot lately is problems elevating from locks and harrasement.

Harrasement is against the rules, and if you harrase other players you will be punished. Usually I freeze the player on CTF, and explain to them they are breaking the rules and if they continue they will be locked. And then I let them go, follow them around for a bit and if they improve I leave them alone. But then most players flip out and swear at me, which is obviously expected.

I want to try and explain something to you:
The more you swear, over react and flip out at a staff member, the more you lose. If you stay calm, recieve their talk and no-longer harrase others you will not be locked.
Now if you are locked, deal with it... its an hour, go outside or something. Again if you flip out about a lock you will only recieve a longer one.

..or a neat little 3 day ban =)

[pooper200000]

Anyone else find it ironic that the only non staff to post in this thread are horrified and sean lol?

Edit: Not to say they can't it is just funyn that no one else posted.

[UnknownMasterMind]

I like the idea of invisibility but not really for this certain situation, I would like it for Events, and when Invisible, I think people should walk threw you also. For Events, you could use this to find teamers, hiders, and healers(in battle, I read some of your rules.). But for abuse reasons should only be enabled for Deathmatch. The invisibility with harassment, would kinda be abused, and could lead to invasion of privacy, i.e. maybe a Boy, and a G.I.R.L.(Guy in real life) are talking to each other, and a invisible ET listens to the whole conversation for their enjoyment. (For you dirty minded people, its a regular conversation, and for hypothetical purposes lets say its about, what they did last Thursday on thanksgiving.)

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Anyone else find it ironic that the only non staff to post in this thread are horrified and sean lol?

Edit: Not to say they can't it is just funyn that no one else posted.

That means, you need to hire sean. :3 Horrified doesn't play zone, so psh.

Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind

I like the idea of invisibility but not really for this certain situation, I would like it for Events, and when Invisible, I think people should walk threw you also. For Events, you could use this to find teamers, hiders, and healers(in battle, I read some of your rules.). But for abuse reasons should only be enabled for Deathmatch. The invisibility with harassment, would kinda be abused, and could lead to invasion of privacy, i.e. maybe a Boy, and a G.I.R.L.(Guy in real life) are talking to each other, and a invisible ET listens to the whole conversation for their enjoyment. (For you dirty minded people, its a regular conversation, and for hypothetical purposes lets say its about, what they did last Thursday on thanksgiving.)

Ya i guess it would.. but hey, if its a private convo they can take it to something like pms,msn or something

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by anubis_wing

He means me, Huwajux has a very, very low of me. It sucks :[

A very low what?

[anubis_wing]

Opinion, I don't know why it didn't put it in.

Anyways, I don't see how you could invade on a private conversation, if you want to talk it private do it over *private* message.

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Anyone else find it ironic that the only non staff to post in this thread are horrified and sean lol?

Edit: Not to say they can't it is just funyn that no one else posted.

not anymore!

3 words: zone needs a jail XD

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by Frieza

3 words: zone needs a jail XD

...

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Frieza

3 words: zone needs a jail XD :)

Originally Posted by Huwajux

...

LOL! Thats so awesome :D

[Ravenblade1979]

I doubt being invisible will do any good. If people start getting caught for stuff they will complain that they were setup and stuff by the ET regardless of the fact they actually did it.

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

I doubt being invisible will do any good. If people start getting caught for stuff they will complain that they were setup and stuff by the ET regardless of the fact they actually did it.

now THATS intelligence!

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Frieza

3 words: zone needs a jail XD

I already proposed the idea..

[UnknownMasterMind]

As things are looking, it is a good idea, but there are many positive, and negatives as always, so I would like to ask when we will make the final decision of whether it should be added or not.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by Switch

I already proposed the idea..

Jail was suposed to be made like, a long time ago O.o.It was ''finished'' but never added I guess. Just like sniper. :3

Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind

As things are looking, it is a good idea, but there are many positive, and negatives as always, so I would like to ask when we will make the final decision of whether it should be added or not.

Yes, I want to know to. Rather sean should be added as et or not. (Waits for people to flame him and be like ''lolololno'')

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Anubis it is....invisible would probably extend to radar as well. They could say you set them up and unless you had a screenie that you were there..well then you weren't really there were you? At least thats what they would argue

That's like saying lock will be abuse. :3, You're overthinking it.

But there are other negatives.

[Knight]

Some people need to learn what exactly "harassment" is. I get spammed, followed, and commented on by one person and they say it isn't harassment. Yet I tell an ET that they eat babies because they told me to "f off" in game that is harassment and nothing happens to them?

[UnknownMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Knight

Some people need to learn what exactly "harassment" is. I get spammed, followed, and commented on by one person and they say it isn't harassment. Yet I tell an ET that they eat babies because they told me to "f off" in game that is harassment and nothing happens to them?

Which ET is using this kinda of language to a player? Or are you being sarcastic if not, please either post it or forum PM, and I will bring it up in discussion, or forum pm it directly to *anubis_wing(Account, he is ET Chief currently).

Also, you did bring up a good point, they do need to know what harassment is, (The link is to the original post)

Verbal Abuse
This, naturally, is not tolerated. If you start insulting someone over teamchat, PMs, whatever, then expect a warning. If you continue to disrupt another player or staff member you will be locked. No unsticking, no kicking. If you do not take note of your first warning you will be locked and STAY locked for the entire hour. Any apologies/begging after the locking will be disregarded.

Some guideline examples of the abuse that count as offenses are the following:

* Swearing excessively at an individual
* Making any amount of sexual remarks towards an individual
* Bashing the management via text/teamchat, mass messages, nicknames or any other method
* Making racist/prejudice remarks against others

[VergilP2P]

I Would Be Fine With Ets Having This As Long As It Does Not Get Abused

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by Knight

Some people need to learn what exactly "harassment" is. I get spammed, followed, and commented on by one person and they say it isn't harassment. Yet I tell an ET that they eat babies because they told me to "f off" in game that is harassment and nothing happens to them?

i dont remeber the ET using obscene languge and i as there O_o, besides, you called him Mr. Bean.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by VergilP2P

I Would Be Fine With Ets Having This As Long As It Does Not Get Abused

1.That's you.
2.Et's would use it versus their friends for playful fun. Which realy would abuse, so there's no stopping it.:l

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by seanthien

1.That's you.
2.Et's would use it versus their friends for playful fun. Which realy would abuse, so there's no stopping it.:l

*cough*

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by seanthien

1.That's you.
2.Et's would use it versus seanfor playful fun. Which realy would abuse, so there's no stopping it.:l

i agree

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

*cough*

Originally Posted by Frieza

i agree

-Looks at both account names-

-Thinks of yesterday-

-COUGH COUGH-

[Dante_P2P]

Originally Posted by seanthien

-Looks at both account names-

-Thinks of yesterday-

-COUGH COUGH-

Tell me what happened yesterday!

[Knight]

I never called Ravenblade Mr. Bean, I have a witness that even agrees that you just said that to him to get him pissed at me. Also the cursing occurred before, I told Dante right after it happened.


Knight: Host
*Ravenblade flys off*
*Friezas comes back from AFK*
Frieza: I am not a PA
Knight: I wasn't talking to you
Frieza: Who were you talking to then?
Knight: Ravenblade
Frieza: Oh you mean Mr. Bean?
Knight: No I mean Ravenblade
*Ravenblade returns*
Frieza: Hey Raven, Knight called you Mr. Bean
Knight: Uh no.
*Ravenblade then locks me*

---Arguing begins---

I then try to contact someone, no one does anything...

Ravenblade: You offered cash to Dante for Reapers

Knight: Uh actually no, I said I sent a report ticket about my Reapers. That was TheIgg who offered you cash for Blue Pistoles. Oh yeah, that other kid in the dark gray armor offered 15k for Double Shot or Candy Reapers to him...?

Ravenblade: So did you.

Knight: Were you even there? Shouldn't Dante be the one locking me...? Why did you wait till he left?

Ravenblade / Frieza: Why don't you just go outside? Go get a girlfriend or something...?

Knight: Well I'm not paying this game to go outside now am I? I have a busy schedule.

*Ravenblade flys off*


I remained locked, my time is up already though.



CHAT HISTORY of my report:

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:18:51 2007):

Fine I will talk to all of them. Someone like me? You're pretty ****y Dante. I don't see you lasting an eternity.
Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:18:19 2007):
Locking me without a reason is pretty good abuse.
Dante (Events Chief) (Tue Nov 27 18:17:12 2007):
In your opinon, but not on the Event Teams or Dan's Stefan's or Unixmads. Someone like you complaining about such a trivial event will mean nothing. Please stop pming me unless it's something new; I already took care of your issue and warned him regarding it. If he does it again I will suspend his Event Team membership for a week. HOWEVER this will only be done if you have valid proof (and I mean PROOF) that he abused on you.

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:15:35 2007):
Your reign of chief is already looking bad.
Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:15:11 2007):
Not invalid, same situation basically. I pay, everyone has knowledge. It gives him no right to abuse it.
Dante (Events Chief) (Tue Nov 27 18:14:29 2007):
Comparison ruled invalid. He's got job knowledge and locking you on a video game and killing you in real life are two different things.

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:11:20 2007):
Welll anyone can host, he may be valuable but that is not an exscuse. I don't even see him host. That's pure biased... If a cop kills someone the police chief doesn't say, oh well if he shoots you again tell me. The least I will do is warn him for now.
Dante (Events Chief) (Tue Nov 27 18:09:03 2007):
If it happens again tell me. For now I don't really mind. He's a valuable ET and the least I'll do is warn him for now.

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:08:09 2007):
Please find out later.
Dante (Events Chief) (Tue Nov 27 18:06:50 2007):
Don't remember. Stressful day.

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:05:10 2007):
lol how so?
Dante (Events Chief) (Tue Nov 27 18:04:49 2007):
Harassment.

Quake1 (Tue Nov 27 18:04:34 2007):
o what did Raven say?





PAST REPORT of being cursed at by Ravenblade:

*Dante55555 (Staff) (Thu Nov 15 16:10:31 2007):
Not really. By the time he's even gotten around to it I'm sure I'll have quit Graal (in about two weeks).

Quake1 (Thu Nov 15 16:09:33 2007):
We will see
*Dante55555 (Staff) (Thu Nov 15 16:09:00 2007):
Sure. Either way, Ravenblade is a valued ET and will not be fired or even reprimanded for it. Stefan'll probably copy and paste the history and they'll have a nice laugh.

Quake1 (Thu Nov 15 16:07:09 2007):
He does all the time
*Dante55555 (Staff) (Thu Nov 15 16:07:00 2007):
Stefan won't even read your pm.

Quake1 (Thu Nov 15 16:06:34 2007):
I'll tell Stefan, staff shouldn't be cursing at players for no reason.
*Dante55555 (Staff) (Thu Nov 15 16:06:16 2007):
Dan won't do anything about it.

Quake1 (Thu Nov 15 16:05:42 2007):
Not really, I kind of find it sad. Tell him not to do it again or I will Dan, he is an ass.
*Dante55555 (Staff) (Thu Nov 15 16:05:03 2007):
I guess you deserved it then.

Quake1 (Thu Nov 15 16:03:59 2007):
Ravenblade just told me to "fk off"



I don't know if this is just me or is this a bit biased? I understand... He is an ET so anything he does is legal! Sadly he doesn't even host much. I mean if a policeman goes up to someone they don't like and arrests them for no reason and then the police chief finds out I guarantee they won't get off with a "Oh well, he is a good cop!"...? Frieza, you were already mad at me for protesting mouse click at the beginning even though I am for getting rid of it. Not to mention I left your guild right before this incident occurred.