Most important skill

Struggler · #1 07-19-2007, 05:51 PM

If you were to choose from LAT, GAT, NAT, or Gani Team, which is the most essential to Graal's Creation? (Your oppinion)

Switch · #2 07-19-2007, 07:41 PM

NAT completely, no question about it. Without scripts you have completely nothing except some ganis (the reg idle, walk, grab, pull) and images but that's IT

ArushenP2P · #3 07-19-2007, 07:54 PM

Without graphics nor gani. There is nothing to script. So this is a hard question.

I would choose GFX because Gani relies on Graphics to animate and level relies on GFX too for the tileset.

Twinny · #4 07-19-2007, 07:55 PM

NATs most definitely come first. I'll give second place to GATs from experience. Although I'm sure LATs have a tough job: I'd say they come in last.

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Originally Posted by ArushenP2P

Without graphics nor gani. There is nothing to script. So this is a hard question.

I scripted an entire server without a GAT or a Gani artist. For ganis, I just used the default sword gani. For graphics, I just used whatever was similar in size. I could make everything than come back to graphics. This also helps GATs to know what exactly the graphic needs to do.

kenyonandelliot · #5 07-19-2007, 08:35 PM

GFX.. You can't make ganis without gfx, you can script without it either unless you want a black spot moving or something.. And without gfx there wouldn't be any tiles for leveling.

Yeah.. And I voted for the wrong one, lol.

Shakram · #6 07-19-2007, 08:37 PM

You need all to do a server
you dont need nats more than lats or gats

xXziroXx · #7 07-19-2007, 08:43 PM

Yes, you do need all to make a server. However, scripters can make a complete server with the default Graal ganis and images, so we can make entire servers on our own if we want too.

zephirot · #8 07-19-2007, 08:43 PM

I would say NAT

TalonShriner · #9 07-19-2007, 08:48 PM

I'm gonna say LAT just for argument sake ;D
The levels they make are the first things that people notice when they get on a server. More people want to hang out in a server that has good levels.

Shakram · #10 07-19-2007, 09:13 PM

If you only allowed to do one thing its the Lat yeah because you dont need new scripts graphics or ganis because of the standard things
but the most people can do more than one thing

Crono · #11 07-19-2007, 09:15 PM

LAT 4 lyfe

Inverness · #12 07-19-2007, 10:25 PM

Without scripters, your graphics and levels wouldn't do anything but sit there and look pretty.

Cloven · #13 07-19-2007, 10:31 PM

If all of the defaults given in Graal were to remain, LAT would be my answer. Levels are the basis for which everything else is granted a purpose. Now in terms of customizability, NPC making takes the cake.

Inspiration · #14 07-20-2007, 01:14 AM

If you're a good enough NAT, you can actually make custom level creation scripts that make acceptable (not perfect) levels. Technically, you could make an entire overworld in a few hours using scripts.

Custom graphics are also not really that important.

Even though I personally am more of an LAT than anything, NAT is the hardest, most demanding, and overall most important job on any server.

People don't care about halfassed levels and scripts if there are tons of awesome NPCs, events, games, and other things to do. However, awesome levels with little scripted content will be boring very quickly.

Thrashsoul3 · #15 07-20-2007, 01:18 AM

Without graphics you have nothing to script or level. End of story.

DustyPorViva · #16 07-20-2007, 01:32 AM

Most important skill? Ass-kissing.

Twinny · #17 07-20-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Without graphics you have nothing to script or level. End of story.

Just use replacement graphics

Most staff members can pull of a decent level. It won't exactly be awesome but it will work. The same can't be said for scripts

Besides: what's to stop a nat from using the terrain generator to make a nice map?

Thrashsoul3 · #18 07-20-2007, 07:24 AM

You need a tileset to make a level, replacement graphics still need to be made lmao.

Twinny · #19 07-20-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

You need a tileset to make a level, replacement graphics still need to be made lmao.

You can use the default tileset for a while. Saying that you still need replacement graphics is exactly the same as the fact that graphics still need scripts.

You can, however, make an interesting interactive server without graphics.

PrinceOfKenshin · #20 07-20-2007, 07:38 AM

ganis and gfx...you all will enjoy my theory. Graphics take care of customizing everything. And ganis do the animation and scripting...because you can add scripts to a gani

Inspiration · #21 07-20-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Without graphics you have nothing to script or level. End of story.

The game comes with a ton of global graphics. Also, anyone that can print screen and cut and paste can make a basic graphic out of anything on the tileset.

Also, with scripting, you can draw basic objects, create NPC characters, ect.

PrinceOfKenshin · #22 07-20-2007, 08:03 AM

Yes scripting opens many windows, only if i knew gs2 better

Crono · #23 07-20-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Without scripters, your graphics and levels wouldn't do anything but sit there and look pretty.

Without LAT's your server will look like Zodiac or the really bad parts of Valikorlia.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Most important skill? Ass-kissing.

Hahaha so true man.

Inverness · #24 07-20-2007, 09:56 AM

If anyone thinks its a good idea to create levels using a script please give up on ever being any kind of staff. The only script that should be used for making levels is the Level Editor.

HolySheepy · #25 07-20-2007, 11:39 AM

There are some other situations where using a script for "making" a level is good :P

Twinny · #26 07-20-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HolySheepy

There are some other situations where using a script for "making" a level is good :P

Such as when you want to screw over the default tile structure and make your own. Maybe space? Maybe isometric tiles.

cbk1994 · #27 07-20-2007, 05:04 PM

I'm biased as a scripter, but I have to say NATs.

This is because without a scripter, you will go NOWHERE. You cannot change the tileset, you cannot make weapons, you cannot make anything. You can have levels and graphics, but they cannot do anything. Without scripts, your server is stuck.

DustyPorViva · #28 07-20-2007, 07:01 PM

Just to note, GAT's/LAT's are capable of changing the tileset without an NAT doing it for them.

MysticX2X · #29 07-20-2007, 07:55 PM

They all are important =/. Seems like some thread to praise people.

Codein · #30 07-21-2007, 12:34 AM

An LAT can make a complete server without scripts and with the default graal graphics. This would still be pretty crappy, since there would be no unique scripts or graphics.

A graphic designer can make an awesome tileset and custom bodies etc. The scripts would suck and so would the levels.

A scripter can script unique NPCs. However, the levels would suck and so would the graphics.

So basically, those areas of development are most important =P

Ganis are not really a problem. Most people can get by with the default animations.

Inspiration · #31 07-21-2007, 01:10 AM

I still claim it's 100% impossible to disprove or argue my theory that a level with the most amazing levels AND graphics ever and only very basic scripts, would still lose out to a server with pretty basic levels/graphics but beyond amazing script work.

Pretty only lasts for so long, and trust me, it's not very long at all.

DustyPorViva · #32 07-21-2007, 01:38 AM

Technically, if you have a skill at stealing, you win at all!

zokemon · #33 07-21-2007, 02:02 AM

It really depends what type of server you are going for. The "net-gen" servers that the top scripters of today are trying to make rely probably most of scripts then anything to make them innovative and advanced. Graphics are pretty important in general though...

But coming from personal taste: I hate looking at servers with little or no scripts. I rarely even go on another server because it doesn't have an amazing chat system (I hate having to watch Graal in case someone talks...chat history is much cooler).

Inverness · #34 07-21-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

(I hate having to watch Graal in case someone talks...chat history is much cooler).

I'll be sure to implement that on Val

Tom · #35 07-21-2007, 03:07 PM

You need graphics to do anything, end of. And dont bring up defaults, because that defeats the whole point of the arguement lol

Elk · #36 07-21-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Without graphics you have nothing to script or level. End of story.

Word

haunter · #37 07-21-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Without graphics you have nothing to script or level. End of story.

A good scripter could totally code a fun game using only showpoly and light emitters.

But the most important skill needed for a successful project is good leadership.

Inverness · #38 07-21-2007, 04:25 PM

I would do something large with showpoly for the heck of it but unfortunately its not actually rendered in 3D so its laggy with alot of them.

Grey · #39 07-22-2007, 10:32 PM

It's between NAT and GAT for me, but I voted GAT. I would play a server with only basic scripting but good graphics, but not a server that had terrible graphics however good the gameplay was. This is for the majority of Graal servers, there are of course some exceptions to the rule.

zokemon · #40 07-30-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey

It's between NAT and GAT for me, but I voted GAT. I would play a server with only basic scripting but good graphics, but not a server that had terrible graphics however good the gameplay was. This is for the majority of Graal servers, there are of course some exceptions to the rule.

Except the majority of all Graal servers just suck completely in every department so you can't really use that...

View Poll Results: LAT, GAT, NAT or Gani Team?
LAT	15	21.74%
NAT	43	62.32%
GAT	9	13.04%
Gani Team	2	2.90%
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