Staffs are not almighty

dNeonb · #1 02-04-2007, 02:33 PM

Because of the other thread made me a little bit upset I will open this one now to clear something up. Please stay serious, don't spam, stay on topic and follow the rules. Not like in the other thread closed by Sam. I will not tollerate something like that and I think no other mod will do that, too.

On the first page proto was blamed because he did nothing. Do you guys even have a single clue what he is? He is Events Master, that means he is staff but only responsible for the events he does and nothing else. What do you expect from an Events Master when you get scammed? Scamming is illegal and we do not restore scammed items. This guy doesn't even have RC so leave him out of that, he can not help you even if he wanted to.
The same thing goes for every other Events Master.

Only persons who could have helped you a bit would be the GP's and the Administration of the server. We could have talked to the scammer and maybe you could have get it back from him. Talking, I said. There is nothing else we dol. Read the thread Sam just posted, there are enough informations about how to prevent scamming.

The staffs on GK do not have rights to do everything. Some people really expect too much from staffs. If we say no all we get to hear is "Bah, why? You are just lazy and don't want to help me!" To say the truth this really hurts because we do want to help but we are not able to do something. So if we say no understand that it is not possible and don't run around like a small child whos candy was taken away and tell such stupid things about us. Do not listen to people who keep telling around that staffmember "xyz" restores scammed items. This is not true and not possible because no staffmember on Graal Kingdoms has the rights to do that. GK is not like a usual playerworld. You need more than just the rights to edit attributes to restore an item on there. Same goes for playerhouses, editing alchemy recipes and also adding different gfx to some items (Items which are/were randomly generated in shops or by alchemy).

If you really thing you are right and deserve to get something restored due to an error by the server for example please contact Stefan or Unixmad. They are the only people who are able to give you the items you lost back.

That's what I wanted to say, thanks.

MasterNuke · #2 02-04-2007, 03:02 PM

In my opinion, there really should be an active administrator that can tend to almost all player related problems. Contacting Stefan/Unixmad for problems is often a slow process that may have an endless waiting period.

dNeonb · #3 02-04-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterNuke

In my opinion, there really should be an active administrator that can tend to almost all player related problems. Contacting Stefan/Unixmad for problems is often a slow process that may have an endless waiting period.

Basically I do agree with that. But rights such as edit rights and access to the mudaccounts were heavily abused in the past so I do understand Stefan and Unixmad that they don't want to give these to anyone anymore.

Crono · #4 02-04-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

scamming is legal.

there's the problem, you promote stealing

dNeonb · #5 02-04-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

there's the problem, you promote stealing

When it was illegal people mostly "abused" it. The just acussed people who didn't give them their irl money for the items of scamming.
It was not really nice for staffs to play guard for people who who didn't get their money from their "AIM" selling.

But I think that is not the topic.

MasterNuke · #6 02-04-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Basically I do agree with that. But rights such as edit rights and access to the mudaccounts were heavily abused in the past so I do understand Stefan and Unixmad that they don't want to give these to anyone anymore.

That was the past. Things need to be done now in order to ensure the future. If things continue like this, GK's population will just keep dropping... in my opinion.

Edit: be back in a few hours.

dNeonb · #7 02-04-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterNuke

That was the past. Things need to be done now in order to ensure the future. If things continue like this, GK's population will just keep dropping... in my opinion.

Agreed.

cyan3 · #8 02-04-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterNuke

In my opinion, there really should be an active administrator that can tend to almost all player related problems. Contacting Stefan/Unixmad for problems is often a slow process that may have an endless waiting period.

Good idea.

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Basically I do agree with that. But rights such as edit rights and access to the mudaccounts were heavily abused in the past so I do understand Stefan and Unixmad that they don't want to give these to anyone anymore.

What if Stefan and Unixmad give the edit rights and mudaccounts to somebody that they trust really well and they know will not abused it.

Cubes · #9 02-04-2007, 03:32 PM

Yeah theres no active Staff on except for EM's. Like the other day someone found like 3 million in plat and no one was on. I mean you don't have to give people access to the mud accounts or give them Edit Attributes to just hire them.

cyan3 · #10 02-04-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubes

Yeah theres no active Staff on except for EM's. Like the other day someone found like 3 million in plat and no one was on. I mean you don't have to give people access to the mud accounts or give them Edit Attributes to just hire them.

I think Graal Kingdoms needs some more GP's soon Yann has quit and Paul is away right now so we have no GP's.

dNeonb · #11 02-04-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cyan3

What if Stefan and Unixmad give the edit rights and mudaccounts to somebody that they trust really well and they know will not abused it.

The person with the rights to the mudaccounts would be able to solve a few things but this is not a big solution at all. There are still things Stefan has to check. For example some person x says I lost my item z please restore it. The staff with the rights could do that all that's left is a way for him to check this. Stefan could check the backups of the accounts. The staff well, he'd have the rights but he wouldn't be able to do it still becasue he has no proof that the person x really had the item.

I think some solution for this would be some kind of tracking system. Items would get an unique id (except things like treeseeds, corn and so on). That should follow something for the staffmember to check where the item z with it's unique id is. Just as basic idea. But I think it would turn out a way more complex and because of that almost impossible to realize.

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Originally Posted by Cubes

Yeah theres no active Staff on except for EM's. Like the other day someone found like 3 million in plat and no one was on. I mean you don't have to give people access to the mud accounts or give them Edit Attributes to just hire them.

I got Stefan to remove the hidden plats from teh table bug in the ice cubes. But please explain me why you would hire people to solve such things without giving them the rights to do it? Actually no staffmember could have done what Stefan did. He has ways to scan the whole data for such things to find such hidden plats.
No staffmember could have done what Stefan did.

Cruchot · #12 02-04-2007, 03:39 PM

We dont need GP anymore if scamming is legal on GK now =)

Cubes · #13 02-04-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

I got Stefan to remove the hidden plats from teh table bug in the ice cubes. But please explain me why you would hire people to solve such things without giving them the rights to do it? Actually no staffmember could have done what Stefan did. He has ways to scan the whole data for such things to find such hidden plats.
No staffmember could have done what Stefan did.

Well it didnt work then z.z And since scamming is legal your not going to ban me if I scam you are you? Because if you were to ban me your going to have to ban everyone who does it. Rules don't just apply to one or two people.

dNeonb · #14 02-04-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubes

Well it didnt work then z.z And since scamming is legal your not going to ban me if I scam you are you? Because if you were to ban me your going to have to ban everyone who does it. Rules don't just apply to one or two people.

Why should I ban you? I don't ban you if you scamm me becasue I wouldn't even give you the chance to do it. But if you would scamm some player I would ban you if the player could prove it.

Stromstedt · #15 02-04-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

The person with the rights to the mudaccounts would be able to solve a few things but this is not a big solution at all. There are still things Stefan has to check. For example some person x says I lost my item z please restore it. The staff with the rights could do that all that's left is a way for him to check this. Stefan could check the backups of the accounts. The staff well, he'd have the rights but he wouldn't be able to do it still becasue he has no proof that the person x really had the item.

I believe this is true, but if he wanted to, Stefan could actually make a system that is less likely to be hijacked or abused..

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I think some solution for this would be some kind of tracking system. Items would get an unique id (except things like treeseeds, corn and so on). That should follow something for the staffmember to check where the item z with it's unique id is. Just as basic idea. But I think it would turn out a way more complex and because of that almost impossible to realize.

That's a really great idea.

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I got Stefan to remove the hidden plats from teh table bug in the ice cubes. But please explain me why you would hire people to solve such things without giving them the rights to do it? Actually no staffmember could have done what Stefan did. He has ways to scan the whole data for such things to find such hidden plats.
No staffmember could have done what Stefan did.

That is very true. I believe Stefan works harder than anybody on this game because he has obviously done an excellent job so nobody should complain...

Gothika · #16 02-04-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubes

Ok, so your telling me if scammed all your items and you had nothing you wouldn't go /openaccess Cubes 'LOL U SCM ME UR BANT'? I highly doubt you would just let it slide, who would?

Personaly I would go: /openattributes Cubes (then go into weapons and script flags and delete everything you stole) then I would bann you.

dNeonb · #17 02-04-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubes

Ok, so your telling me if scammed all your items and you had nothing you wouldn't go /openaccess Cubes 'LOL U SCM ME UR BANT'? I highly doubt you would just let it slide, who would?

Please stay on topic! I already answered this. I won't ban you if you do it to me.

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Originally Posted by Gothika

Personaly I would go: /openattributes Cubes (then go into weapons and script flags and delete everything you stole) then I would bann you.

This only can show me that you didn't even read my post carefully. I said that there is more needed then just edit attributes to restore an item. You need access to the mudaccount to do that. This would also include that you can only remove items there.

cyan3 · #18 02-04-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

This only can show me that you didn't even read my post carefully. I said that there is more needed then just edit attributes to restore an item. You need access to the mudaccount to do that. This would also include that you can only remove items there.

Can't you just do /create?

Gothika · #19 02-04-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

This only can show me that you didn't even read my post carefully. I said that there is more needed then just edit attributes to restore an item. You need access to the mudaccount to do that. This would also include that you can only remove items there.

I am aware there is more to it than that. I do know how to use RC you know.
That was just a little joke.

MasterNuke · #20 02-04-2007, 05:41 PM

At this point in time, I think hiring a new high level admin would be too much of a gamble. There would have to be changes in the core mechanics of GK first.

Draenin · #21 02-04-2007, 05:59 PM

I can't wait until Stefan trusts people not to make mistakes again. :/

MasterNuke · #22 02-04-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

I can't wait until Stefan trusts people not to make mistakes again. :/

It's not just that. Items are valued so highly that false accusations could arise quite easily.

Ravenblade1979 · #23 02-04-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It's not just that. Items are valued so highly that false accusations could arise quite easily.

Thats already happened. Quite a bit too.

Chris · #24 02-04-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothika

Personaly I would go: /openattributes Cubes (then go into weapons and script flags and delete everything you stole) then I would bann you.

/failure

Totally different method to items and npcs on GK than other servers. A LOT different.

Googi · #25 02-04-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

This is not true and not possible because no staffmember on Graal Kingdoms has the rights to do that.

But what a few staff members can do (although not Proto) is stick someone in the pillory until they agree to give back the scammed items.

Crono · #26 02-04-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

But I think that is not the topic.

So what exactly do you consider the topic to be? Turning to staff for help? Naturally it's not the job of an events team to handle policing a server.

Draenin · #27 02-04-2007, 09:51 PM

I used to do both Events Team and Police work, but had to give up policing when I accepted Samurai leadership.

Ravenblade1979 · #28 02-04-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

But what a few staff members can do (although not Proto) is stick someone in the pillory until they agree to give back the scammed items.

Usually thats all they can do these days...not even that works sometimes.

zokemon · #29 02-04-2007, 11:59 PM

That's right Bjorn. I am a scripter on GK but I don't have any rights on the main server. I shouldn't be held responsible for someone getting scammed.

Googi · #30 02-05-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Usually thats all they can do these days...not even that works sometimes.

So keep them there. Eventually they'd have to either quit or give the stuff back.

dNeonb · #31 02-05-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

So keep them there. Eventually they'd have to either quit or give the stuff back.

But what if they don't even have it and you put someone in there who never did something wrong?

myth-simba · #32 02-05-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Why should I ban you? I don't ban you if you scamm me becasue I wouldn't even give you the chance to do it. But if you would scamm some player I would ban you if the player could prove it.

Then scamming is not legal then.

Illegal is where there is no way you can do it at all.

Drugs are illegal for example... so you telling me i can go out and buy some cocaine and get wasted and if soemone reports me to police they will turn around and say 'well if i don't see him doing it there is nothing i can do'

Unlikely, police would check it out and its the same for this game.
If reported scamming staff will check it out, and if not then scamming is legal and therefore there is no need in Gps.

Cruchot · #33 02-05-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by myth-simba

Then scamming is not legal then.

Illegal is where there is no way you can do it at all.

Drugs are illegal for example... so you telling me i can go out and buy some cocaine and get wasted and if soemone reports me to police they will turn around and say 'well if i don't see him doing it there is nothing i can do'

Unlikely, police would check it out and its the same for this game.
If reported scamming staff will check it out, and if not then scamming is legal and therefore there is no need in Gps.

Agree at all.
If scamming is legal, I am sorry for every players I banned
for general scamming , 1 weeks, while I was GP. (:

Ravenblade1979 · #34 02-05-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruchot

Agree at all.
If scamming is legal, I am sorry for every players I banned
for general scamming , 1 weeks, while I was GP. (:

Don't be sorry. You were only following the rules that were given to you to follow.

Googi · #35 02-05-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

But what if they don't even have it and you put someone in there who never did something wrong?

This applies to any crime.

zell12 · #36 02-06-2007, 06:44 AM

I thought stefan ruled scamming was illegal?

Ravenblade1979 · #37 02-06-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zell12

I thought stefan ruled scamming was illegal?

He did but ppl are taking some of bjorns posts at face value. His english is good but instead of typing illegal once he accidentally put legal and they think it true.

dNeonb · #38 02-06-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

He did but ppl are taking some of bjorns posts at face value. His english is good but instead of typing illegal once he accidentally put legal and they think it true.

Actually if you read my posts it was fixed everywere. No I really typed legal but this caused some missunderstandings because it seems some people didn't get teh context from the other posts and the explaination on the post where it was. I changed all those posts and typed illegal now so that not someone comes up with the idea "But in this single post..."

Ravenblade1979 · #39 02-06-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Actually if you read my posts it was fixed everywere. No I really typed legal but this caused some missunderstandings because it seems some people didn't get teh context from the other posts and the explaination on the post where it was. I changed all those posts and typed illegal now so that not someone comes up with the idea "But in this single post..."

Yeah I know...they want to find any loop hole so they can start scamming and udsing legally.

zokemon · #40 02-06-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Yeah I know...they want to find any loop hole so they can start scamming and udsing legally.

I found a loophole; may I '"uds" also? ^_^