Zodiac GUI

MasterJak · #1 01-20-2007, 06:53 AM

Is there anyway to get the Gold/Red Zodiac GUI back?
It's so much better than this crappy black one xD

Thanks for help <3

MasterJak · #2 01-20-2007, 07:11 AM

Anny way at all?

Stephen · #3 01-20-2007, 07:42 AM

It's not only against the rules, it's quite taboo to double post in a thread you created within a 20 minute time frame.

Gambet · #4 01-20-2007, 08:35 AM

We're currently focused on Zodiac Dev, which will feature a gui system never before used on Graal.

Just bear with the current gui until we finish everything on Zodiac Dev (which will take us some time, so don't bother us about it).

Just be acknowledged that we are in fact making progress.

zell12 · #5 01-20-2007, 08:54 AM

How about make it so players can choose what skin they want for their GUI?

Skrobo2 · #6 01-20-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

It's not only against the rules, it's quite taboo to double post in a thread you created within a 20 minute time frame.

Jak is a forum noob, so give him so slack.

I like to do this with my GUIs. It's a lot nicer to have some selection.

Twinny · #7 01-20-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

never before used on Graal.

You say that for everything you make but that doesn't necessarily mean it has been or will be good

. Hopefully players can revert to old system...

Crono · #8 01-20-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We're currently focused on Zodiac Dev, which will feature a gui system never before used on Graal.

Well, there have only been a handful of guis used on graal to begin with. :P

Gambet · #9 01-20-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

You say that for everything you make but that doesn't necessarily mean it has been or will be good

. Hopefully players can revert to old system...

I'm not working on the GUI, I'm working on other things. If the person working on the GUI needs help then I'll help them, but I'm sure this person can get it done.

We plan on remaking everything, but better. We don't plan on using any of Yen's scripts, for we don't need them; not that his systems could do what we plan on doing anyways.

Chandler · #10 01-20-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We plan on remaking everything, but better. We don't plan on using any of Yen's scripts, for we don't need them; not that his systems could do what we plan on doing anyways.

Yet, I highly doubt that Zodiac would even exist without the patient's of 'Yen'.

coreys · #11 01-20-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chandler

Yet, I highly doubt that Zodiac would even exist without the patient's of 'Yen'.

Cause Lord knows Zodiacs other half-assed staff can't do it.

Chandler · #12 01-20-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coreys

Cause Lord knows Zodiacs other half-assed staff can't do it.

Bingo!

Upon reading this, I found what I said rather harsh, but none the less, if it wasn't for Yen I doubt Zodiac would have even made the classic playerlist.

Andy0687 · #13 01-20-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chandler

Bingo!

Upon reading this, I found what I said rather harsh, but none the less, if it wasn't for Yen I doubt Zodiac would have even made the classic playerlist.

If what you said up there was an edited unharsh version, okay, but thats not harsh and im sure whatever you said beforehand was true.

Yen may be one of the most annoying people in the world, but he actually can hold his own scripting wise, very competently, and without him there probably would be no zodiac.

Tyhm · #14 01-20-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We plan on remaking everything, but better.

Read: We think we're better than our forebears, and to prove it we're going to embark on a three year expedition to re-do everything they did, ensuring that in the end the players will have exactly the same server, but with slightly different graphics. We could spend that time working on New content instead of rehashing Old content, but we think you'll agree, it's better to keep repaving the same section than actually build the rest of the road.

Infernix · #15 01-20-2007, 10:12 PM

Why do servers always want to remake everything? Imagine is WoW had everything remade one day just because stuff was getting old. You add on to thinks you dont remake everything when it comes to online game development.

PrinceDark · #16 01-20-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

Read: We think we're better than our forebears, and to prove it we're going to embark on a three year expedition to re-do everything they did, ensuring that in the end the players will have exactly the same server, but with slightly different graphics. We could spend that time working on New content instead of rehashing Old content, but we think you'll agree, it's better to keep repaving the same section than actually build the rest of the road.

Very well said. Remakes has caused the death and destruction of many playerworlds. Slowly for some, quickly for others, but surely in the end they all died.

Lord Sephiroth · #17 01-20-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Very well said. Remakes has caused the death and destruction of many playerworlds. Slowly for some, quickly for others, but surely in the end they all died.

Case and point; Babylon.

Instead of making add-ons and improving the server, past management often embarked on making new Overworlds, with changes in 2002-2004 and 2005, all of which led to the destruction of our playerbase and eventually falling off the classic list.

Inverness · #18 01-20-2007, 11:08 PM

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Lord Sephiroth · #19 01-20-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

What you need to learn about Gambet is that everything he or his server makes is "New and Original and never seen on Graal before", according to him.

Tyhm · #20 01-20-2007, 11:54 PM

Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. I mean, I get the motivation - you don't want to be the guy who made a few quests for someone else's game, you want to be the guy who made the game, the only guy that understands the system you made with your own two hands. I mean hell, I spent inordinate ammounts of time retiling the "errors" in the original Classic...it's just a bad plan though.

coreys · #21 01-21-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Unless he makes a Gui that talks, I'm not sure thats possible.

Googi · #22 01-21-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Really, pretty much every custom GUI ever made for a Graal server was "never before used on Graal".

Infernix · #23 01-21-2007, 12:09 AM

and yet they are all pretty much different arrangements of pixels that all serve the same purpose.

Gambet · #24 01-21-2007, 12:20 AM

Honestly, while you guys continue to blatantly spew crap about how we can't get it done, we are in fact getting it done.

I'm not going to release any information on what we're working on until our entire project is ready to be released. We arn't remaking the gmap, we're just remaking the systems.

And Thym, your analogy was horrible. We're remaking things so that the gameplay could be enhanced, not so that it would be the same.

Some of you guys seem to lack some sense in your posts. Honestly, you can continue to assume that we're incompetent, but it's a FACT that we're getting systems done.

As I stated before, wait until you see the finished product before spewing your comments.

Yen's systems leave no room for improvements, for they are too restricted. There is no other way for us to do what we have planned without remaking everything (script wise). I'm sure you'll be pleased with the end result.

Lord Sephiroth · #25 01-21-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

junk

That was a pretty fancy way to say nothing.

Gambet · #26 01-21-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

That was a pretty fancy way to say nothing.

No, it was a succint way of saying you're going to eat your own words for assuming things too quickly, especially when you've yet to realize that we are making progress.

Infernix · #27 01-21-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Honestly, while you guys continue to blatantly spew crap about how we can't get it done, we are in fact getting it done.

I'm not going to release any information on what we're working on until our entire project is ready to be released. We aren't remaking the gmap, we're just remaking the systems.

And Thym, your analogy was horrible. We're remaking things so that the gameplay could be enhanced, not so that it would be the same.
dict the outcome, are y
Some of you guys seem to lack some sense in your posts. Honestly, you can continue to assume that we're incompetent, but it's a FACT that we're getting systems done.

As I stated before, wait until you see the finished product before spewing your comments.

Yen's systems leave no room for improvements, for they are too restricted. There is no other way for us to do what we have planned without remaking everything (script wise). I'm sure you'll be pleased with the end result.

This is exactly what i expected out of you, your ignorance seems to never fail. I say you go ahead with your plans and in the future make up some blatant excuse on how you failed or why you quit because everything except you went wrong....Well this is what I expect you to do at least because everyone seems to do it time and time again.

This wouldn't be the first time Ive said this to someone and I doubt this will be the first time I'm wrong. History seems to continually holds its self true through the entire world which Graal its self is apart of. When you continually repeat it you will continually receive the same outcome unless something is done different.. You have a chance of rising up and listening to what those have said dozens of times in various situations or following along the path of repeating history. And history has always held its self true time after time when it comes to graal development. We all are wise enough to see it, are you?

You say we are assuming things, but most of us have all been apart of a development team that has done the exact thing you are doing. We were apart of it, we lived it, and we faced the outcome with a unpleasant face.

I just wanna say that we are not all against you. We do not wish you to fail in any way. We all want whats best for Graal and its servers. So we speak and hope that someone will listen to us one day.

Gambet · #28 01-21-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

This is exactly what i expected out of you, your ignorance seems to never fail. I say you go ahead with your plans and in the future make up some blatant excuse on how you failed or why you quit because everything except you went wrong.

This wouldn't be the first time Ive sad this to someone and I doubt this will be the first time I'm wrong.

I'm the one being ignorant for doing what I enjoy, which is programming, and while programming I'm also killing two birds with one stone by producing better content for the players to enjoy, knowing that there is absolutely nothing for players to do anymore on Zodiac except PK, and that there's nothing we can do about that without remaking everything, which is what we're doing?

Yeah, um, I'm tired of people that don't even play Zodiac running their fingers like they knew anything about what was going on. Your mind is distorted from all of the lies you've been fed by Yen.

Skrobo2 · #29 01-21-2007, 12:53 AM

This is the same thing that happened to Shangri-La. MysticalDragon got his hands on it and started redoing everything. When all he did was undo the five months of work we, the original staff, put into it. I logged on a while back and all that was left was was my main gmap, Shawn's Skyworld gmap, and the images. Redoing everything is stupid and pointless. If you lack the talent to work with what's there then get off the project.

coreys · #30 01-21-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

No, it was a succint way of saying you're going to eat your own words for assuming things too quickly, especially when you've yet to realize that we are making progress.

Says the man who left many an unfinished project on Maloria.

Gambet · #31 01-21-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skrobo2

This is the same thing that happened to Shangri-La. MysticalDragon got his hands on it and started redoing everything. When all he did was undo the five months of work we, the original staff, put into it. I logged on a while back and all that was left was was my main gmap, Shawn's Skyworld gmap, and the images. Redoing everything is stupid and pointless. If you lack the talent to work with what's there then get off the project.

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

coreys · #32 01-21-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

Yes, it takes a lot of talent to work with systems that I believe Yen did originally make to be easy to work with. Yep, that's talent all right. Listen Gambet, no-one believes you because of your track record. Which is this:

You have a tendency to half ass your work, and leave with a glitchy, crappy system that has a very unfinished feel to it.
You are a pompous prick, that tends to like to say that everything you say is a fact. Get a clue.
You try and act all intelligent, and indeed you say and think you are more intelligent than just about everyone in the world. But yet you've proved yourself to be a true ***** who really just has no common sense.

Andy0687 · #33 01-21-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems,

Not really but okay.

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The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

You know I think the thing you have to sit back and ask yourself, is.

Why are you doing what you are doing? Is it because you really want to appeal to the players? Or is it because you guys dont have enough balls to still use yens systems because you are so untalented.

The players love the "heavily restricted" systems, so why not just improve on them? Because you arent capable.

Gambet · #34 01-21-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by coreys

More mindless crap

Just because Mal v3 is hopeless does not mean that Zodiac v2 is.

I'm not the only one working on the project, we have a total of 4 scripters working on the server. Besides, I could careless what you think about me, the fact of the matter remains that my systems are still used, whether you like me or not.

I'd rather you not like me, that way I could sit back and laugh as you actually enjoy my systems.

Then again, you don't even play Zodiac, so you're another one of those mindless people running their fingers without knowing the situation, basing your assumptions on what Yen tells you, which in reality means nothing since we arn't talking about the whole Yen affair, this is moreso over Yen's systems.

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

You know I think the thing you have to sit back and ask yourself, is.

Why are you doing what you are doing? Is it because you really want to appeal to the players? Or is it because you guys dont have enough balls to still use yens systems because you are so untalented.

The players love the "heavily restricted" systems, so why not just improve on them? Because you arent capable.

I program for myself, because I enjoy it. It's just a bonus that what I make is also enjoyed by the other players, but I only play Graal to develop. Personally, I could careless whether you like what I make or not. I havn't been in any recent situation where what I've released hasn't been used, but if I ever release something that's just gathering dust, then I'd just improve it to what the player's want.

We're making this new version based on how we would like Zodiac, which we feel will also be what you all would like to see, for we are trying to take influences from multiple places to try and make something that can be enjoyable by the general Graal population.

EDIT: Oh, and, you all also need to remember that Yen didn't make everything alone. Calani and Jerret both helped with some of the current systems on Zodiac, both of which Calani and Jerret are also scripting for Zodiac Dev. Yes, Yen made the core systems, but he didn't make everything alone.

Infernix · #35 01-21-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I'm the one being ignorant for doing what I enjoy, which is programming, and while programming I'm also killing two birds with one stone by producing better content for the players to enjoy, knowing that there is absolutely nothing for players to do anymore on Zodiac except PK, and that there's nothing we can do about that without remaking everything, which is what we're doing?

Yeah, um, I'm tired of people that don't even play Zodiac running their fingers like they knew anything about what was going on. Your mind is distorted from all of the lies you've been fed by Yen.

This is completely irrelevant to what I said in my previous post. That is not why I called you ignorant, wow.
o and a shed of light of your idea of people not knowing zodiac because they haven't played. Just because someone is not on the server on a daily basis does not mean they do not play Zodiac. Not only that lets mention that graal is a small community and because of that information for all servers is spread quite easily. Thinking that everyone is basing everything they have said on Yens words is only proving the first thing I said in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

Replacing old game play with new game play without keeping the old is unacceptable. Once again imagine is the world most Massively played online game WoW did that. Imagine the 8mil players who would be upset that the original game play that attracted the to the game is no longer there.

coreys · #36 01-21-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

...Idiocy...

1. I never said anything about Mal v3. You never worked on v3. I was referring to the steaming piles of crap you made on v2. You made v2's systems look good, and that is saying something.
2. And I have played Zodiac, so it's obviously you who are the mistaken one. It's really nothing original or fun. Also I didn't mention the "Yen affair", as you
called it, so why are you? Trying another scapegoat, hmm?
3. I don't think anyone enjoys what you make, because I've only ever heard complaints about what you've made so far for Zodiac.

Gambet · #37 01-21-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by coreys

1. I never said anything about Mal v3. You never worked on v3. I was referring to the steaming piles of crap you made on v2. You made v2's systems look good, and that is saying something.
2. And I have played Zodiac, so it's obviously you who are the mistaken one. It's really nothing original or fun. Also I didn't mention the "Yen affair", as you
called it, so why are you? Trying another scapegoat, hmm?
3. I don't think anyone enjoys what you make, because I've only ever heard complaints about what you've made so far for Zodiac.

Lol, I've seen your blatant posts about me across the Maloria forums when you don't even know me.

I last worked on Maloria ages ago, and I was so useless to Maloria that Mania made me the head of v2 development as I turned Maloria from crap to something worth playing throughout my 8 months of working there:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=66435

Thanks for the appreciation.

Oh, wait, who are you again? That's right, I wasn't even around long enough to work with you, and you don't know anything about me except the bullcrap you believe from other people.

Considering you're believing everything Yen is feeding you, I'd say you have heavy problems with being easily influenced by people. The peer pressure must be a bit too much for you, eh?

I don't care if you have played Zodiac, you don't play it. I'm sure you know all about Zodiac when you're only level one

Lord Sephiroth · #38 01-21-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I don't care if you have played Zodiac, you don't play it. I'm sure you know all about Zodiac when you're only level one

Well I'm level 30 and I've worked on Zodiac before as a Developer what's your sad excuse for why I think you'll fail hard?

Gambet · #39 01-21-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

Well I'm level 30 and I've worked on Zodiac before as a Developer what's your sad excuse for why I think you'll fail hard?

Because we have bad history together and therefore you base your assumptions on your personal bias towards me.

Anyone else need any explanations?

coreys · #40 01-21-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

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Actually you worked at Maloria for the first about a month and a half of me working there. And Yen isn't "feeding" me anything, because I don't talk to him. Noob. And just so you know, I worked on Zodiac from the time it started when Zeus bought it. Even though it was a steaming pile of crap back then, because we were all noobs, it was still better than what it is now.

And you think its soooo impressive that you because the head of development on Maloria, hmm? Yeah, I did that too. It's nothing too impressive.