Default Weapon Win

MisterMastermind · #1 10-15-2006, 05:48 AM

One of the dumbest rules I've ever heard of. Player A, Player B, and Player C are left in death match. Player A kills Player C. Player A then kills Player B, but Player A already has WeaponX, so Player B receives WeaponX. Player B could have just hid the entire time and done nothing, but still receives a prize. Player B doesn't deserve the prize, if anything, Player A does. Player A should receive cash or something instead of giving Player B a prize he doesn't deserve.

bahamutstevetff · #2 10-15-2006, 09:29 AM

i agree, also, kickin players from events cuz they already have the event weapons is foul, like once i already killed 3 people, then got kicked for having the weapon>.>. zone events suck.

Huwajux · #3 10-15-2006, 01:10 PM

I see what you mean. I would go with re-hosting if something like that happened.

pooper200000 · #4 10-15-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

I see what you mean. I would go with re-hosting if something like that happened.

I like the idea of a rehost. It just seems unfair. I also don't think people who own the weapon should be able to compete because they may have made alliances to help certain players.

MisterMastermind · #5 10-15-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

I see what you mean. I would go with re-hosting if something like that happened.

But all the crappy players know of this rule, and they'd complain to vulcan. And you know what happened that one time you didn't give it to me when I won and you kept rehosting. Like 4 times in a row...

dude2020 · #6 10-15-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

One of the dumbest rules I've ever heard of. Player A, Player B, and Player C are left in death match. Player A kills Player C. Player A then kills Player B, but Player A already has WeaponX, so Player B receives WeaponX. Player B could have just hid the entire time and done nothing, but still receives a prize. Player B doesn't deserve the prize, if anything, Player A does. Player A should receive cash or something instead of giving Player B a prize he doesn't deserve.

i do agree but players that have them SHOULD be kicked which that rule states u of all people should know that

MrsMastermind · #7 10-15-2006, 03:43 PM

Just kick the players that have the weapon. All they do is help their friends by not killing them, and in the end they let their friend kill them. It's pretty much free event weapons.

Huwajux · #8 10-15-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

But all the crappy players know of this rule, and they'd complain to vulcan. And you know what happened that one time you didn't give it to me when I won and you kept rehosting. Like 4 times in a row...

Omg that was so boring. I feared for my job because I thought there would be so many complaints that Vulcan would fire me. So I tried to be fair and hosted loads. Don't bring back horrible/boring memories.

dude2020 · #9 10-15-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

But all the crappy players know of this rule, and they'd complain to vulcan. And you know what happened that one time you didn't give it to me when I won and you kept rehosting. Like 4 times in a row...

And you know the solution? kick players that have them Stefan's rule of "Giving them 2 place" shouldnt even be there becuase of this rule

bahamutstevetff · #10 10-15-2006, 07:41 PM

ETs should have a giant map of the DM so if they see some1 teaming they can kick. and also, if a player gives a free kills, the other player dosent receive weapon.

jkool666 · #11 10-16-2006, 03:19 AM

You can't kick the players that already have it, thats nearly impossible. For me to have an event with 20-30 players in it, I would need to:
1. Find everyone who already has the weapon (how would I do that? Ask and people would lie?)
2. At the start, type /kick <acc name> about 20 times, which would take about 1-2 mins and I wouldn't even be able to watch to make sure people are following rules.

But I do agree Typhoon, it is a bad rule.

Googi · #12 10-16-2006, 03:55 AM

Better idea: You can't play in the event if you already have the prize.

Draenin · #13 10-16-2006, 03:59 AM

It makes no sense to have more than one copy of the same gun. It's not like you can drop them.

jkool666 · #14 10-16-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Better idea: You can't play in the event if you already have the prize.

....... Good idea but (see below or above)

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Originally Posted by jkool666

You can't kick the players that already have it, thats nearly impossible. For me to have an event with 20-30 players in it, I would need to:
1. Find everyone who already has the weapon (how would I do that? Ask and people would lie?)
2. At the start, type /kick <acc name> about 20 times, which would take about 1-2 mins and I wouldn't even be able to watch to make sure people are following rules.

It seems giving to to whoever is in second or rehost the event is the only way to go. But then giving it to whoever is in second can cause serious teaming problems. And rehosting won't work because odds are that same player will continue to win.

pooper200000 · #15 10-16-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

ETs should have a giant map of the DM so if they see some1 teaming they can kick. and also, if a player gives a free kills, the other player dosent receive weapon.

The problem with free kills is that there are too many people who would abuse that for ex: Supernanny is going to kill a trial. The trial surrenders to Supernnany when an ET walks by so Supernnanny gets kicked. Supernnanny is then mad and contiues this and makes an event to get other people kicked. Ill sop talking of myself in 3rd person now!

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Originally Posted by jkool666

You can't kick the players that already have it, thats nearly impossible. For me to have an event with 20-30 players in it, I would need to:
1. Find everyone who already has the weapon (how would I do that? Ask and people would lie?)
2. At the start, type /kick <acc name> about 20 times, which would take about 1-2 mins and I wouldn't even be able to watch to make sure people are following rules.

But I do agree Typhoon, it is a bad rule.

maybe give ET's a big map and a clicky clicky mouse and when you click ona player twice it boots them back to the dropship? You know kinda like the castles game where you grab little men and throw them in the air but in this ccase they don't come back down

MisterMastermind · #16 10-16-2006, 01:49 PM

Well if you kick everyone that have the weapon then it will basically be "who sucks the least?" and normally it's somebody who really doesn't deserve the weapon. My solution would be to give the winner (if they alreday have the weapon) some inside info about updates, or some explosives, etc.

Huwajux · #17 10-16-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

some inside info about updates

Gosh, scripting a command such as "/equipall redpistoles" isn't too hard. Just use that command at the beginning of an event and kick whoever has the weapon already. This can obviously go for other event items.

And I'm not going for the inside info about updates. Hell, I don't know why Zone is so tight-lipped about updates. It's not going to harm anyone. As long as the updates are sent through and not left as an unfinished piece of work, all is well. So what if people who don't know what they are talking about give false hope about random updates from the top of their head. If you are stupid enough to beleive someone who is not a staff member, that is your problem.

Zone desperately needs a larger staff team. Hell, I am going to be completely honest with all you guys. Working alone for Zone (No, there is no help/encouragement from Vulcan. He just plays Era and whatnot) is an absolute bore and I have no motivation to do work. Since I have to get bloody confirmation from Stefan before anything is uploaded. I'm going to (try to) persuade Stefan (I hope it is not as difficult as it was in the past) to hire some more team members for Zone. And no, just so you are wondering, no more non-development staff. I'm going to find competant people who will be devoted and I feel are trustworthy. I won't just run around rounding staff members up like a load of sheep. I'm really going to put some thought into it.

I just hope Stefan sees this in the same light...

MisterMastermind · #18 10-16-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

Stuff that won't happen.

That was border line off topic. I didn't get your opinion on the Player B wins by default.

dude2020 · #19 10-16-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

I'm going to (try to) persuade Stefan (I hope it is not as difficult as it was in the past) to hire some more team members for Zone. And no, just so you are wondering, no more non-development staff. I'm going to find competant people who will be devoted and I feel are trustworthy. I won't just run around rounding staff members up like a load of sheep. I'm really going to put some thought into it.

i hope he agrees and mybe he'll upload the ****ing jail and hire Gps Not ETS to do the crapin thing

pooper200000 · #20 10-16-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

And no, just so you are wondering, no more non-development staff. I'm going to find competant people who will be devoted and I feel are trustworthy. I won't just run around rounding staff members up like a load of sheep. I'm really going to put some thought into it.

Want the map Im working on I cnan post it pretty soon im almost done. Im making a bunch of 4 square maps and ill leave it up to you guys to connect them and add effects to everything but i have a story and eeverything already made I only have to do a little touch up and this would be like an improved version of zone wars. It isn't bad at all it looks better than most of gwars does.

Googi · #21 10-16-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

....... Good idea but (see below or above)

It would certainly require changing the script to allow ETs to ban all people with a certain weapon from the event, but that isn't difficult to do.

jkool666 · #22 10-17-2006, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

i hope he agrees and mybe he'll upload the ****ing jail and hire Gps Not ETS to do the crapin thing

Once again, no GP's. No offense to the players, but theres going to be some serious problems if anyones made GP. Plus Vulcan doesn't plan on uploading the jail anyways... Finally, I think Huwajux meant Dev Staff, not in game staff.

Zone doesn't need in game help, they need more development staff. We have Huwajux, Sayian, and Vulcan when he feels like it. Other players do work for zone, but these three are the only ones whos development work is added.

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Originally Posted by Googi

It would certainly require changing the script to allow ETs to ban all people with a certain weapon from the event, but that isn't difficult to do.

Indeed, but to find someone to go out of their way and do it, nearly impossible... Myself on Zone, I beleive its better to work with what you got, because the odds of it being changed to something better, are kind of slim...

someonesomewhere · #23 10-17-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

i hope he agrees and mybe he'll upload the ****ing jail and hire Gps Not ETS to do the crapin thing

Look back at huwa's post and look for the words "non-development staff"

Crono · #24 10-17-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Better idea: You can't play in the event if you already have the prize.

Exactly. Did it seriously take you people so long to think of this?

There should be an option in the beginning of the event where you set the prize, and it automatically detects the prize on all the accounts. If you have the prize, you won't be warped into deathmatch. Simple as that. Or possibly not even able to get into the deathmatch uh "area" that warps you to the map.

Huwajux · #25 10-17-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

That was border line off topic. I didn't get your opinion on the Player B wins by default.

It wasn't off topic. It was a point that developed into something else. I mentioned a command to try to help solve this thread's problem, then mentioned the lack of staff that could do that, even.

And what opinion are you talking about? :P

dude2020 · #26 10-17-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Once again, no GP's. No offense to the players, but theres going to be some serious problems if anyones made GP. Plus Vulcan doesn't plan on uploading the jail anyways... Finally, I think Huwajux meant Dev Staff, not in game staff.

How? seriosly how would it be a problem if Some GPS were hired and Stefan/Vulcan can trust them? and i never said VULCAN is going to upload x.x and i know i jsut wanted somthing to type about to keep me busy

anubis_wing · #27 10-17-2006, 09:34 PM

Basically your argueing with the fact that if you already have everything you should recieve extra instead of giving someone else a chance to get something new.....Zone events do suck if they listen to you Typhoon.

pooper200000 · #28 10-17-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by anubis_wing

Basically your argueing with the fact that if you already have everything you should recieve extra instead of giving someone else a chance to get something new.....Zone events do suck if they listen to you Typhoon.

I find them quite entertaining actually!

dude2020 · #29 10-17-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pooper200000

I find them quite entertaining actually!

and thats the meaning of Events x.x and if u win Congrats

MisterMastermind · #30 10-17-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux

It wasn't off topic. It was a point that developed into something else. I mentioned a command to try to help solve this thread's problem, then mentioned the lack of staff that could do that, even.

And what opinion are you talking about? :P

Read the first post. -.-"

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Originally Posted by anubis_wing

Basically your argueing with the fact that if you already have everything you should recieve extra instead of giving someone else a chance to get something new.....Zone events do suck if they listen to you Typhoon.

No, I'm arguing that if somebody sucks, they shouldn't get a prize for being weak.

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Exactly. Did it seriously take you people so long to think of this?

There should be an option in the beginning of the event where you set the prize, and it automatically detects the prize on all the accounts. If you have the prize, you won't be warped into deathmatch. Simple as that. Or possibly not even able to get into the deathmatch uh "area" that warps you to the map.

No, that's not a "who derves it most" type thing. It's a "who sucks the least?"

jkool666 · #31 10-17-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

How? seriosly how would it be a problem if Some GPS were hired and Stefan/Vulcan can trust them?

John... This problem has been explained to you, many times over and over. Let me make an example.
Player X (GP) logs on...
Player X (GP) *bans every single player who has ever loged onto Zone*

Graal is a global business, people need to remember that. If you owned a global business, and you banned everyone single one of your customers, do you know how badly you would be screwed. And the blame doesn't go on who banned them, its who hired them.

Understand? Trust is somthing that needs to be earned over long periods of time, and even then it can be false.

pooper200000 · #32 10-17-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

John... This problem has been explained to you, many times over and over. Let me make an example.
Player X (GP) logs on...
Player X (GP) *bans every single player who has ever loged onto Zone*

Graal is a global business, people need to remember that. If you owned a global business, and you banned everyone single one of your customers, do you know how badly you would be screwed. And the blame doesn't go on who banned them, its who hired them.

Understand? Trust is somthing that needs to be earned over long periods of time, and even then it can be false.

nicely said it just makes me so proud *wipes tears out of eyes*

dude2020 · #33 10-17-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

John... This problem has been explained to you, many times over and over. Let me make an example.
Player X (GP) logs on...
Player X (GP) *bans every single player who has ever loged onto Zone*

Graal is a global business, people need to remember that. If you owned a global business, and you banned everyone single one of your customers, do you know how badly you would be screwed. And the blame doesn't go on who banned them, its who hired them.

Understand? Trust is somthing that needs to be earned over long periods of time, and even then it can be false.

Or maybe JUST maybe this is a shot out of the darkness that the GPs cant ban here only jail!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

jkool666 · #34 10-17-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

Or maybe JUST maybe this is a shot out of the darkness that the GPs cant ban here only jail!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

.... You have to be kidding me John...

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Plus Vulcan doesn't plan on uploading the jail anyways...

Also... (see below)

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Player X (GP) logs on...
Player X (GP) *jails every single player who has ever loged onto Zone*

Change bans to jails, we get the same problem.

dude2020 · #35 10-17-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jkool666

.... You have to be kidding me John...

No

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Originally Posted by jkool666

Change bans to jails, we get the same problem.

Acutally no we dont becuz thats like an 1 min fix that any Gp could do

Crono · #36 10-17-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

No, that's not a "who derves it most" type thing. It's a "who sucks the least?"

No, it's a "who already has the weapon" type of thing that just so happens to be "who is the best of these suckers".

jkool666 · #37 10-18-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

Acutally no we dont becuz thats like an 1 min fix that any Gp could do

John, stop... Just stop. FINAL EXAMPLE:

Player x (GP) logs on...

Jailes everyone, they get PISSED OFF. Stefan doesn't want any players at all pissed off at his error, so why should he ask for a mistake.

Finally, no matter how smart ass you are, you can't make a smart ass remark to what I said about trust.