I would like to state something.

Chaotic_Ness · #1 06-26-2006, 03:57 AM

I agree with Val on this, when I joined I promised not to pull a Vamp, and now I see why, he uses vile names and when you threaten to punish him he just removes himself from the kingdom and walks free while harassing people on Zormite tag.
I made him an Immigrant and pillored him, and for one I do not want to see him as a Legionnaire within 24 hours of now. He is a pain in the ass to all but... Screw that, he's an ass to everyone.
Now, after that fact, Val should agree, he should work his way up instead of being lazy enough to just be set to his old rank because he avoided punishment and somehow always gets back to his status.

Enjoy, Deputy Minister.

Zero Hour · #2 06-26-2006, 04:18 AM

I commend you for your use of the forums in the way which I would suspect they were intended - but please, in the future be less vague!

skyler87 · #3 06-26-2006, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic_Ness

I agree with Val on this, when I joined I promised not to pull a Vamp, and now I see why, he uses vile names and when you threaten to punish him he just removes himself from the kingdom and walks free while harassing people on Zormite tag.
I made him an Immigrant and pillored him, and for one I do not want to see him as a Legionnaire within 24 hours of now. He is a pain in the ass to all but... Screw that, he's an ass to everyone.
Now, after that fact, Val should agree, he should work his way up instead of being lazy enough to just be set to his old rank because he avoided punishment and somehow always gets back to his status.

Enjoy, Deputy Minister.

Vague? Indeed..

I could give a long lecture here, but long story short, you had no right to readd him to the kingdom just to pillor him. That is a tremendous abuse of power, and if it hasn't been done already, your rights need to be removed or you should be removed from the kingdom. Regardless of your reasons for doing it. If you had a problem with Vamp, you should have spoken with Googi about not letting him be readded. I'm sure you've noticed, Vamp is not exactly your average character. He's very strong, and has very good gear, and has played a vital role in the strife that has taken place within the last few days regarding other kingdoms. Just because he hasn't been in Zormite since he started playing (which he really pretty much has) doesn't mean that he shouldn't have a higher rank. As a matter of fact, he could probably take on and defeat just about every other combat rank below him at the same time, yet he should be a lower rank then them just because he hasn't been in the kingdom for forever? Rethink things. Oh, not to mention I witnessed you repeatedly pillor him the other day. If he is being an ass to you, you definately did nothing but provoke it.

AlaricoMontario · #4 06-26-2006, 05:25 AM

Bosh, remove Hiatus's pillor rights for a day - I'm officially on my LOA.
Pasu, keep up the work as Justicar.

EVERYTHING ELSE I completely agree with 100%. The army should not get special priveleges just because they can take down the Governor.

Googi · #5 06-26-2006, 05:29 AM

Nobody is getting any kind of special privileges.

However, what you did was serious business and could have gotten the entire kingdom in trouble, that's why you were removed from your rank.

I told Vamp not to use the kind of names he was using anymore while on tag.

Draenin · #6 06-26-2006, 05:38 AM

A noteworthy action, if I may say so.

skyler87 · #7 06-26-2006, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

A noteworthy action, if I may say so.

Of the actions stated, which is "noteworthy"? And in what connotation?

Raeiphon · #8 06-26-2006, 06:23 AM

Lolrp

Draenin · #9 06-26-2006, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I told Vamp not to use the kind of names he was using anymore while on tag.

That one.

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Originally Posted by Raeiphon

Lolrp

For the 2nd or third time now, don't

. People actually start acting like they should (With the exception of a few.) and you bring up a joke from like a year ago. It has worn out its welcome already, and you hopped on the train a bit late.

Sam · #10 06-26-2006, 04:21 PM

Note: By checking the pillory logs I saw some of your members abuse the pillory right again and again to warp to Zormite.
I will talk to Björn soon to decide if if we delete them because of this.
It's unacceptable if members abuse pillorysrights use it to exempt himself.

AlaricoMontario · #11 06-26-2006, 04:36 PM

All I'm gonna say is:

Told you Bosh

Zero Hour · #12 06-26-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Note: By checking the pillory logs I saw some of your members abuse the pillory right again and again to warp to Zormite.
I will talk to Björn soon to decide if if we delete them because of this.
It's unacceptable if members abuse pillorysrights use it to exempt himself.

Again? Good lord.

AlaricoMontario · #13 06-26-2006, 06:16 PM

Yes. After I told everyone if they abused it it would get removed just like in Etien's day.

Googi · #14 06-26-2006, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

Note: By checking the pillory logs I saw some of your members abuse the pillory right again and again to warp to Zormite.
I will talk to Björn soon to decide if if we delete them because of this.
It's unacceptable if members abuse pillorysrights use it to exempt himself.

Yeah, okay. How about actually letting us read these logs so we know who's doing it?

Sam · #15 06-26-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, okay. How about actually letting us read these logs so we know who's doing it?

I will send the relevant data to you in forum PM asap.

Googi · #16 06-26-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I will send the relevant data to you in forum PM asap.

I looked at the logs and pillory rules were broken but not for the purpose of warping.

I don't care if you want to take pillory rights away from the kingdom since it was just being used as a tool in internal power struggles anyways, but don't show up and accuse people of using it for warping when the logs clearly show repeat jailings/releasings of other people's friends.

Sam · #17 06-26-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I looked at the logs and pillory rules were broken but not for the purpose of warping.

I don't care if you want to take pillory rights away from the kingdom since it was just being used as a tool in internal power struggles anyways, but don't show up and accuse people of using it for warping when the logs clearly show repeat jailings/releasings of other people's friends.

Nice try!

1. a small example from the logs (I removed the acc name):

Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:20 2006
"*******" removed somebody from the zormite-Pillory.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:41 2006
"*******" added the Account "*******" in the -Pillory for 1 minutes.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:48 2006
"*******" removed somebody from the zormite-Pillory.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:59:19 2006
******* added the Account "*******" in the -Pillory for 1 minutes.

2. I also send you in my PM the link to a rule which is proof enough that the members didn't follow the rules:

Thread

It's part of your duty as leader to make sure the members of your kingdom following the rules.

Cubes · #18 06-26-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skyler87

Vague? Indeed..

I could give a long lecture here, but long story short, you had no right to readd him to the kingdom just to pillor him. That is a tremendous abuse of power, and if it hasn't been done already, your rights need to be removed or you should be removed from the kingdom. Regardless of your reasons for doing it. If you had a problem with Vamp, you should have spoken with Googi about not letting him be readded. I'm sure you've noticed, Vamp is not exactly your average character. He's very strong, and has very good gear, and has played a vital role in the strife that has taken place within the last few days regarding other kingdoms. Just because he hasn't been in Zormite since he started playing (which he really pretty much has) doesn't mean that he shouldn't have a higher rank. As a matter of fact, he could probably take on and defeat just about every other combat rank below him at the same time, yet he should be a lower rank then them just because he hasn't been in the kingdom for forever? Rethink things. Oh, not to mention I witnessed you repeatedly pillor him the other day. If he is being an ass to you, you definately did nothing but provoke it.

If that is the kid with 24 hours he did the same thing to me when I was inside CP's castle for having my name as unkown so I said /kingdom leave so he couldnt pillor me while i was trying not to die when it was 4 vs 1 and he was like 'lelelelelellelelliwilpilloru' then he readded me and pillored me for 15 minutes.. they shouldnt let nubs have the right to pillor xd

lordbosh · #19 06-26-2006, 09:20 PM

ive jailed people for a minute and then released them when they are acting like children so they understand that if they keep it up they will get a 60 minute. i do 1, 30, and 60 mins . i dont like them wasting my time. And the problem I have is sometimes not enough pillories. Just because you see 1 minute pillories doesnt mean i'm warping. they could already be on the island and interrupting something I am doing (building ships for kingdom, having people harvest boards, setting up fort things.

Sam · #20 06-26-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lordbosh

ive jailed people for a minute and then released them when they are acting like children so they understand that if they keep it up they will get a 60 minute. i do 1, 30, and 60 mins . i dont like them wasting my time. And the problem I have is sometimes not enough pillories. Just because you see 1 minute pillories doesnt mean i'm warping. they could already be on the island and interrupting something I am doing (building ships for kingdom, having people harvest boards, setting up fort things.

You are not the only one in the logs.

Googi · #21 06-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

1. a small example from the logs (I removed the acc name):

Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:20 2006
"*******" removed somebody from the zormite-Pillory.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:41 2006
"*******" added the Account "*******" in the -Pillory for 1 minutes.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:58:48 2006
"*******" removed somebody from the zormite-Pillory.
Time: Sun Jun 25 14:59:19 2006
******* added the Account "*******" in the -Pillory for 1 minutes.

Looking at the logs themselves, that could easily be one of several times that a person was pilloried multiple times in quick succession, which would be pointless for the purpose of warping because you'd be pillorying someone who's already at the pillory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

2. I also send you in my PM the link to a rule which is proof enough that the members didn't follow the rules:

Thread

It's part of your duty as leader to make sure the members of your kingdom following the rules.

Yes, I know that pillory rules were broken. I said so myself. Just that the rules weren't broken for the purpose of warping.

Draenin · #22 06-26-2006, 11:25 PM

Rather than removing them, let kingdom leaders know when people are causing trouble, and we will deal with them accordingly.

Sam · #23 06-26-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Looking at the logs themselves, that could easily be one of several times that a person was pilloried multiple times in quick succession, which would be pointless for the purpose of warping because you'd be pillorying someone who's already at the pillory.

Yes, I know that pillory rules were broken. I said so myself. Just that the rules weren't broken for the purpose of warping.

There was still another member in the pillory, but not online, so its not possible to add someone else. It was a try to get into it again and again; he was thinking of doing a typo, that's my version.

Vierdman · #24 06-27-2006, 08:38 AM

I believe the above log could be mine, if not, I did do something of a similar nature on/around sunday, I did this because, as a justicar, i felt i should get used to the arrest/release commands (due to the fact i was/am still rather new as a justicar), however i did NOT want to pillory a random zormite member and therefore decided to pillory myself, the, i believe two, rather rapid pillor/release repetions were to make sure i had it down pat.
As contextual support, regardless of the acct's actual name, the above should be the ONLY times i have pillored myself (with the exception of the time; i didnt do :release fast enough and the minute expired, most likely the earliest occurence); the only other time i pillored someone Bosh released the person. In addiotion i am obviosly rather ignorant for a justicar.
In Admittance of this I hope to clear my name of my idiocy of not having done the above under supervison and will accept appropriate consequences and i WILL learn from this mistake... And I'm sorry for the confusion i may have caused.

Cubes · #25 06-27-2006, 11:52 PM

you cant unpillor yourself in the pillory can you?

Draenin · #26 06-28-2006, 01:14 AM

Cubes · #27 06-28-2006, 05:31 AM

wow that makes it pointless... down with them then

Draenin · #28 06-28-2006, 09:02 AM

They are good when used properly.

GryffonDurime · #29 06-28-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

They are good when used properly.

*Grumbles something about a past violation on Main Island's pillory that went unpunished*

AlaricoMontario · #30 06-30-2006, 07:56 PM

I've pillored people, but it's not been for abuse.

If someone gets pissy and starts whining, they gets pillored for a couple minutes.
If someone makes our Kingdom look disrepectful in public (Bomboria) and I catch it,
they get pillored for a couple minutes.

CidNight1142 · #31 07-01-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubes

wow that makes it pointless... down with them then

They work better when 97% of the kingdom don't have pillory rights.

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Originally Posted by whoever it was

Lolrp.

I hope I grow up to be just like you. I mean, you're totally awesome. So original. And witty! Please be my hero.

Zero Hour · #32 07-01-2006, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CidNight1142

I hope I grow up to be just like you. I mean, you're totally awesome. So original. And witty! Please be my hero.

Nice to see you back

Raziel · #33 07-01-2006, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic_Ness

I agree with Val on this, when I joined I promised not to pull a Vamp, and now I see why, he uses vile names and when you threaten to punish him he just removes himself from the kingdom and walks free while harassing people on Zormite tag.
I made him an Immigrant and pillored him, and for one I do not want to see him as a Legionnaire within 24 hours of now. He is a pain in the ass to all but... Screw that, he's an ass to everyone.
Now, after that fact, Val should agree, he should work his way up instead of being lazy enough to just be set to his old rank because he avoided punishment and somehow always gets back to his status.

Enjoy, Deputy Minister.

Hiatus was in CP not too long ago, and was removed for speaking of betraying us for Zormite. How is he now a high ranking member of Zormite?

Spy?

Zero Hour · #34 07-01-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raziel

Hiatus was in CP not too long ago, and was removed for speaking of betraying us for Zormite. How is he now a high ranking member of Zormite?

Spy?

Or just an indecisive kid o: