Unholy Nation

[Lance]

Originally Posted by NeoJenova

Where is this written and why is it a rule?

Written? Not sure. There have always been a fair amount of unwritten 'common sense' rules that are generally understood to exist. It certainly should be listed in the playerworld rules.

This is a rule because it goes with the "Do not PK staff on tag" rule. If you were not allowed to PK staff who were on tag but they were allowed to PK you, there would be a problem.

You are not allowed to PK staff on tag because it's disruptive to that staff member. For example, if someone with a Playerworld Inspection tag signs on your playerworld and is trying to inspect it but get PKed, this is interfering with their work. This is a problem, so it is not allowed. Similarly, a levels team member might be inspecting a level for a problem, or a GP might be on the scene dealing with some problem. PKing them is interfering with their work.

Should players really have to expect/accept being attacked by a server's tagged administration?

If we really didn't want pking between staff on tag and player we'd script something stopping it.

Relevance? You've already made it clear that you don't want to enforce this rule.

Which was also not a rule followed on UN, most ETs host "kill me" events and usually stay on tag while running around UN pking players and getting pk'd, just seems like an rule uneccesary of global recognition and forced upon playerworlds.

There are some pretty obvious exceptions (such as being given special permission to for an event).

[Okilian]

UN has been going under the "Staff can pk on tag and can be pked on tag" rule since even Liquid was around. I have not seen any high ranking person ever tell UN to change the rule, so I'm wondering when it really was enforced. I mean, if UN let's them pk, let em. If a staff member really needs his alone time, they can usually go somewhere where there are no people.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Okilian

UN has been going under the "Staff can pk on tag and can be pked on tag" rule since even Liquid was around. I have not seen any high ranking person ever tell UN to change the rule, so I'm wondering when it really was enforced. I mean, if UN let's them pk, let em. If a staff member really needs his alone time, they can usually go somewhere where there are no people.

Perhaps the "high ranking persons" have not seen it and nobody has complained about it until now...?

And this rule is not referencing "alone time". This references staff doing their jobs in public locations.

[punkyx]

Er, not really my business but if you are wearing a staff tag, why would you need alone time? Doesn't make much sense. The jobs that staff do that require wearing a tag also require being in public levels, not spending time alone in private levels.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by NeoJenova

Or someone ignorant enough...

Hah.

No I was really afraid of being reported for harassment, being he is one of your friends and all.

Harassment? I'm sure you know quite well of this. As Fogles did, I should post screenshots of you commiting this. Maybe two other sources can report it as well?

Your comparing a summer playercount with a school year playercount, think logically.

In logic, you are correct. Though, the playercount has dropped in a great amount, average wise. Many players, even your own staff have migrated to other playerworlds. Sure, it's always nice to play other playerworlds, though it's quite sad when these once long time dedicated Unholy Nation players start losing hope for their home playerworld. Many you should check the average playercount of Unholy Nation as certain times and compare it to the past.

New middle spar
3 New spar rooms
Introduce a New monthly tourney with the spar lobby.

Just to help you recognize what is new about the new spar lobby.

Whoa, that's new! I'm sure one piece of development such as a new spar complex is such an accomplishment to you! Too bad the spar complex is horribly bugged. I mean, players can have four players, sometimes five into the sparring area, which can cause major issues with some players. Also the fact you don't warp out when losing half the time isn't the best either. Though I'm sure that's a new bug to you!

"Introduce a New monthly tourney with the spar lobby."
What are you talking about? UTC has always been hosted on Unholy Nation if you are talking about that. Other than that, that made no sense at all.

Yeah thanks for all your uhh... wait no, thanks for everything you didn't contribute to the development of Unholy Nation. I'm sure the players gain plenty of use out of the Artanis and Malinko Mansion you gave yourself. Its about all you really provided UN with in your stay there.

Sadly, all the development I wanted to take on Unholy Nation was restricted by you. Maybe Avalon as well can feel the same as he wanted to make boats, though you wouldn't allow the great freature of a GMAP. Too bad, you could've had such a great impact if you allowed a GMAP, though I guess it's too much for you. Artanis and my mansion of course was a personal project. It did have inside jokes and music which related to us, but no matter. If you noticed, the party room was based on a GMAP to show players the great features of a GMAP. I mean, what player wouldn't take multiplayer NPCs?! Though, as players did support me, sadly most are afraid to speak against you, I wonder what reasons? Though, let's not move into that subject.

Yeah, that was fun, you seemed to be the only person who thought it was "OMG HARASSMENT LEAVE ME ALONE YOUR HURTING ME"

Sure. Let me post some screenshots later on if you agree to this statement. Maybe GrowlZ also can cover for me. Heh.

Please make time to post more information.

Look! I did! Now it's your turn to challenge me.

Also there has been plenty of development on UN since the overworld has been released, but you'd have to actually play UN to know that. I see nothing but blind hatred because UN is not what people consider "OMG QUALITY GAMING MATERIAL AND IS #1 ON THE PLAYERLIST" all I say is keep hating its motivation.

Whoa, is that why some players with hundreds, some players with even thousands of hours agree with me?! Though I'm sure they haven't been playing as long as you say to notice the development you have been doing.

Our economy was what kept us on top and it is what I am re-creating now, it was previously destroyed by hackers. We have already created some better versions of jobs but I refuse to give a release date on anything because good help is hard to find.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=economy
Please read this and re-read what you posted within this thread.
Hackers destroyed Unholy Nation? I didn't know. I thought it was careless people, maybe staff who didn't check security of things. Whoa, hackers are staff! BAN THE HACKERS! I'm kidding.

Maybe if you gave a release date, you would show some players that you are motivated to keep updating Unholy Nation with your development. I think many feel as none is going on. Maybe?

-You- are re-creating the economy of Unholy Nation? Whoa, come on, at least give some credit to the others helping you, as I'm sure you're not doing it alone.

I don't care to post a challenge on the staff PKing on tag issue. Lance clearly stated the correct logic.

Originally Posted by punkyx

Er, not really my business but if you are wearing a staff tag, why would you need alone time? Doesn't make much sense. The jobs that staff do that require wearing a tag also require being in public levels, not spending time alone in private levels.

Jadynx, we of course understand this as most players and staff do. I'm guessing those two don't?

Hm, maybe I'll post additional information on my view later.

Edit: I made a typo in Jadynx's nickname, so I fixed it.

[NeoJenova]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Harassment? I'm sure you know quite well of this. As Fogles did, I should post screenshots of you commiting this. Maybe two other sources can report it as well?

Go for it.

In logic, you are correct. Though, the playercount has dropped in a great amount, average wise. Many players, even your own staff have migrated to other playerworlds. Sure, it's always nice to play other playerworlds, though it's quite sad when these once long time dedicated Unholy Nation players start losing hope for their home playerworld. Many you should check the average playercount of Unholy Nation as certain times and compare it to the past.

During the summer we'd break the 200 mark once in awhile and average about 180-190 a day. Now we average about 150-160 a day. I see nothing wrong with losing 20 average players due to school, work and life.

Whoa, that's new! I'm sure one piece of development such as a new spar complex is such an accomplishment to you! Too bad the spar complex is horribly bugged. I mean, players can have four players, sometimes five into the sparring area, which can cause major issues with some players. Also the fact you don't warp out when losing half the time isn't the best either. Though I'm sure that's a new bug to you!

I wasn't saying this was an accomplishment I was helping your understand what is new about the spar complex, re-read my post.

"Introduce a New monthly tourney with the spar lobby."
What are you talking about? UTC has always been hosted on Unholy Nation if you are talking about that. Other than that, that made no sense at all.

I forget your not a part of the sparring community let alone the Unholy Nation community. The UTC Tag Tourney was introduced with the new complex.

Sadly, all the development I wanted to take on Unholy Nation was restricted by you. Maybe Avalon as well can feel the same as he wanted to make boats, though you wouldn't allow the great freature of a GMAP. Too bad, you could've had such a great impact if you allowed a GMAP, though I guess it's too much for you. Artanis and my mansion of course was a personal project. It did have inside jokes and music which related to us, but no matter. If you noticed, the party room was based on a GMAP to show players the great features of a GMAP. I mean, what player wouldn't take multiplayer NPCs?! Though, as players did support me, sadly most are afraid to speak against you, I wonder what reasons? Though, let's not move into that subject.

So me rejecting a gmap is the reason you refused to work, help or do anything for UN for that matter? Even though we gave you a list of events we wanted created, gave you adequate rights to do so, oh wait... I remember your excuse "The GATs didn't make the graphics how I liked them" oh and another fan favorite.. "I'm to lazy". Seriously thankyou for all your help.

Whoa, is that why some players with hundreds, some players with even thousands of hours agree with me?! Though I'm sure they haven't been playing as long as you say to notice the development you have been doing.

All I do is smile at this comment, because you really have no idea what is going on in Unholy Nation.

Maybe if you gave a release date, you would show some players that you are motivated to keep updating Unholy Nation with your development. I think many feel as none is going on. Maybe?

It is hard to reach a release date when it is set with unpaid, underaged and easily sidetracked individuals volunteering to do work for you, you really can't force them to do anything, anyways life > graal.

-You- are re-creating the economy of Unholy Nation? Whoa, come on, at least give some credit to the others helping you, as I'm sure you're not doing it alone.

Of course I am not creating anything by myself, allow me to correct myself I mean the UN Team, the UN Family we work together. I am organizing all projects, assignments and authorizing the creation of anything, with the help of my Admin, Rage (acc: _Zelph). We are progressing rather nicely.

Good help is so hard to find.