Classic Needs Reform - Page 6

maximus_asinus · #**201** 07-23-2005, 01:22 AM

I'm wasting my single post for the following:

It's going to be awhile, a long while before this 'Classic' is even worth being compared to the real Classic. As it stands is a reflection of the real Classic, a reflection that is skewed, so much so that so many players complain, but remains as the manager doesn't really seem to care of others opinions. I got tired of reinterating this over and over, so now I just stand back, and watch the true Classic get destroyed inch by pixelated inch.

Many landmarks were moved, or removed during the dev stages, and Storm apparently wasn't content on that, so he decides to slowly move/removed/edit other landmarks (one example would be Master Li's, which was replaced by the Baddies' poorly tiled guild house, Master Li, being forced down into some cave).

We'll have to wait to get our Classic back, or maybe Storm will have a change of heart and restore a great deal of Classic. Until then, all I can say is wait.

p2p_Sir_Link · #**202** 07-23-2005, 03:18 AM

I think Classic needs a new manager. Obvious choices = Damien, GrowlZ, Massokre, Stryker, perhaps, if he decides to actually have a hand in hirings/deciding what people can do, Thermo, and maximus. I list myself as a subtle choice, because my managerial skills have declined ever since I quit Dark Nations the first time. Others that we could have success with, if someone else has a say in what goes down : Night, Selflon (purely out of inactivity), and perhaps Master Storm (going again with the someone else has a say in what goes down)

EDIT: ROFL, this is cute. Doahh was unknown on Classic until he applied for LAT, and guess what guild he's in? Ventrue! Now we get another LAT to upgrade that propaganda and bull****.

Doahh_p2p · #**203** 07-23-2005, 05:04 AM

Dude kevin

I was not unknown on classic
I had an accident under water where i forgot to read my guages and ran out of air nitrogyn bubbles in blood are NOT fun
I was paralized for 6 MONTHS and did not have access to graal
I have over 1000 hours on my other account

kenyonandelliot · #**204** 07-23-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Doahh_p2p

Dude kevin

I was not unknown on classic
I had an accident under water where i forgot to read my guages and ran out of air nitrogyn bubbles in blood are NOT fun
I was paralized for 6 MONTHS and did not have access to graal
I have over 1000 hours on my other account

I'm sorry to hear that, and I bet it wasn't fun.

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

I think Classic needs a new manager. Obvious choices = Damien, GrowlZ, Massokre, Stryker, perhaps, if he decides to actually have a hand in hirings/deciding what people can do, Thermo, and maximus. I list myself as a subtle choice, because my managerial skills have declined ever since I quit Dark Nations the first time. Others that we could have success with, if someone else has a say in what goes down : Night, Selflon (purely out of inactivity), and perhaps Master Storm (going again with the someone else has a say in what goes down)

The only thing Classic needs is to get the old levels back. Also, you wouldn't be a good choice because you'd probaly fire all Ventrue because you dislike them, and you lack the maturity to handle things without making people hate whatever you stand for.

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

EDIT: ROFL, this is cute. Doahh was unknown on Classic until he applied for LAT, and guess what guild he's in? Ventrue! Now we get another LAT to upgrade that propaganda and bull****.

Whats wrong with you? You don't know anything about these people yet you make fun of them. If you were in Ventrue you wouldn't like this crap that happens just because the guild has staff on a server named Classic that turned bad.

Polo · #**205** 07-23-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

EDIT: ROFL, this is cute. Doahh was unknown on Classic until he applied for LAT, and guess what guild he's in? Ventrue! Now we get another LAT to upgrade that propaganda and bull****.

Doahh was definitely not unknown to me.

p2p_Sir_Link · #**206** 07-23-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot

Also, you wouldn't be a good choice because you'd probaly fire all Ventrue because you dislike them, and you lack the maturity to handle things without making people hate whatever you stand for.

You assume me to be an idiot 12 year old like yourself.

*****. You claim classic needs the old levels back. How does that relate to my selection of managers? It doesn't, since I believe all of them will upload the old levels. As far as I can tell, they all have the levels. You don't.

I'm not making stuff up about a person. I've worked with Doahh on other servers, and all he did was steal scripts and cheat.

NefariousPK · #**207** 07-23-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

congrats on posting history numbnuts.

congrats on being a nerd,you geek.

kenyonandelliot · #**208** 07-23-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

You assume me to be an idiot 12 year old like yourself.

*****. You claim classic needs the old levels back. How does that relate to my selection of managers? It doesn't, since I believe all of them will upload the old levels. As far as I can tell, they all have the levels. You don't.

I'm not making stuff up about a person. I've worked with Doahh on other servers, and all he did was steal scripts and cheat.

Name calling again? Also I didn't claim it I just said I think they need old levels back instead of a new manager. Even a 12 year old could understand that.

Which servers?

Doahh_p2p · #**209** 07-23-2005, 08:18 PM

I did not
You think i did but when it was someone else
You just hate me
That's no reason to make things up about me

kenyonandelliot · #**210** 07-23-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doahh_p2p

I did not
You think i did but when it was someone else
You just hate me
That's no reason to make things up about me

If hes lying to get you in trouble then thats messed up.

jacob_bald6225 · #**211** 07-23-2005, 08:36 PM

Personally I think you're all a bunch of babies.

kenyonandelliot · #**212** 07-23-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

Personally I think you're all a bunch of babies.

yeah whatever...

Hiro · #**213** 07-23-2005, 08:48 PM

Damn kids, you all fight way too much.

p2p_Sir_Link · #**214** 07-23-2005, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Doahh_p2p

I did not
You think i did but when it was someone else
You just hate me
That's no reason to make things up about me

I'm not. If I still had RC access to Kalypso/Dark Nations, I can prove he constantly looked at scripts and never edited them, and then I'd find the same exact things I poured work into on other servers he also worked on.

Pooka · #**215** 08-02-2005, 09:39 AM

To be honest, I think you all need to grow up.

Oh, and something needs to be done about Classic. I don't know whose fault it is, or who's in charge or anything along those lines - all I know is that Classic with NPCServer = *** and Classic without NPCServer as it used to be = not ***.

My vote? Either bring back the old levels or get rid of the bull**** we're stuck with now - this silhouette of Classic as it was blows.

Oh, and I knew Doahh before he became LAT as well.

StrykerTFFD · #**216** 08-02-2005, 10:31 AM

Today is a sad day....
I thought this topic had died...and now it has been revived...

Pooka · #**217** 08-02-2005, 11:06 AM

Apologies. I wanted to ask why Classic was in the poor state it was when, in searching to find out if it'd been asked/discussed before, I stumbled upon this thread. Decided it'd be best if I posted here instead of getting flamed for starting a new topic...

Perhaps someone should close it.

-Ramirez- · #**218** 08-03-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

I wanted to ask why Classic was in the poor state it was

There's a simple answer to that: Storm
He decided to make it the way it is. He's a genius, isn't he?

Evil_Trunks · #**219** 08-03-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Today is a sad day....
I thought this topic had died...and now it has been revived...

how can it die when nothing has changed?

Mafukie · #**220** 08-08-2005, 12:45 PM

I didn't read the whole thread, it is too late for that. But I believe Graal Classic does need change, and I am willing to put time towards this happening and I believe that if given the chance to not nessesaility manage but micro-manage the team for graal classic that the server can be great, and get up in the ranks of favorite servers to play on. Although my past actions towards the game haven't been that productive towards the development of graal (no need to go into the past) Those who remember me when I did work for the game (GP Chief on Graal 2001 doing a top notch job, GP on classic doing great job banning hundreds of accounts, LAT for graal classic updating levels to be compliant with connected maps so the levels don't look offset) many others remember me as a trouble maker. The fact of the matter is that I am displeased in the way graal has gone these past years and instead of wanting to put my energy towards something that would be great but not public towards something that can be great and everyone in the graal community can enjoy would be highly benifitial and more satifiying for me.

I am going to try talking to a few 'higher ups' and try to get graal classic development back on the priority of things to do. I just need the cooperation and teamwork

Pooka · #**221** 08-08-2005, 12:48 PM

I'm more than happy to help out with tiling - I just don't feel quite at home or right on any other server (though N-Pulse comes close, it's still only a second home

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StrykerTFFD · #**222** 08-08-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mafukie

I didn't read the whole thread, it is too late for that. But I believe Graal Classic does need change, and I am willing to put time towards this happening and I believe that if given the chance to not nessesaility manage but micro-manage the team for graal classic that the server can be great, and get up in the ranks of favorite servers to play on. Although my past actions towards the game haven't been that productive towards the development of graal (no need to go into the past) Those who remember me when I did work for the game (GP Chief on Graal 2001 doing a top notch job, GP on classic doing great job banning hundreds of accounts, LAT for graal classic updating levels to be compliant with connected maps so the levels don't look offset) many others remember me as a trouble maker. The fact of the matter is that I am displeased in the way graal has gone these past years and instead of wanting to put my energy towards something that would be great but not public towards something that can be great and everyone in the graal community can enjoy would be highly benifitial and more satifiying for me.

I am going to try talking to a few 'higher ups' and try to get graal classic development back on the priority of things to do. I just need the cooperation and teamwork

No.

xXDuMajuXx · #**223** 08-08-2005, 01:08 PM

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No.

What do you mean by "No"?

StrykerTFFD · #**224** 08-08-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xXDuMajuXx

What do you mean by "No"?

Give it some thought, you'll figure it out.

xXDuMajuXx · #**225** 08-08-2005, 01:31 PM

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I am going to try talking to a few 'higher ups' and try to get graal classic development back on the priority of things to do. I just need the cooperation and teamwork

If you meant this, then I wouldn't consider GP Admin as a truely high position. Might be different on Classic though.

Doahh_p2p · #**226** 08-08-2005, 04:35 PM

Maby if you guys would stop bothering us we might be able to work and get some updates in

StrykerTFFD · #**227** 08-08-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xXDuMajuXx

If you meant this, then I wouldn't consider GP Admin as a truely high position. Might be different on Classic though.

VERY different.

xXDuMajuXx · #**228** 08-08-2005, 06:49 PM

Well, how about you explain the differences to me then?

StrykerTFFD · #**229** 08-08-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xXDuMajuXx

Well, how about you explain the differences to me then?

Well, tell me how you view a GP Admin, or how yours is run if you have one.

Mafukie · #**230** 08-08-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

I am an idiot, help me please all I can so is no

It's ok, I understand

StrykerTFFD · #**231** 08-08-2005, 11:35 PM

"All I can so is no"?

If you're going to edit quotes, do it correctly please.

xXDuMajuXx · #**232** 08-08-2005, 11:40 PM

My GP admin would make sure my GPs are in order, and would enforce on the same level as GPs. It's not a truely HIGH position. GP Admin would come under all other types of Admin, above FAQ.

StrykerTFFD · #**233** 08-08-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xXDuMajuXx

My GP admin would make sure my GPs are in order, and would enforce on the same level as GPs. It's not a truely HIGH position. GP Admin would come under all other types of Admin, above FAQ.

See, on Classic, I'm incharge of rules. I can make rules, drop rules, yada yada. If I do that though, I run it by the Manager, Storm, who also runs things by me if there are any rules made.

Basicly I cover all rulebreaking unless I'm not around, then the Manager is bothered with it.

xXDuMajuXx · #**234** 08-09-2005, 12:04 AM

Isn't the Graal ToS sufficient enough to pass as the rules? Classic, at the moment, is just a big land of PK.

Mafukie · #**235** 08-09-2005, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

"All I can so is no"?

If you're going to edit quotes, do it correctly please.

StrykerTFFD · #**236** 08-09-2005, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xXDuMajuXx

Isn't the Graal ToS sufficient enough to pass as the rules? Classic, at the moment, is just a big land of PK.

Actually it's not.
Considering it's disgustingly out of date, and it also states we can make rules as we please, we choose to do so.

Pooka · #**237** 08-09-2005, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Doahh_p2p

Maby if you guys would stop bothering us we might be able to work and get some updates in

No offense because I have a lot of respect for you, but it really doesn't look like there's been any progress. Progress implies moving forward and improving, whereas it sounds like many people feel that it's a step backward and that Graal needs some serious reform.

I think the problem appears to be that none of the players know what's going on - maybe if the players were kept up to date about the happenings on the server and what was going on, there'd be less of an issue.

The other problem is of course that people miss the old Classic. I agree here too, and feel that I've been cheated of the Classic I used to play and love. The current map is tiny and frankly, boring.

StrykerTFFD · #**238** 08-09-2005, 06:48 AM

What happened with Classic was all the popular levels were kept, the not so popular levels, which included quests, got trashed.

The problem though is the less popular levels, or less populated levels, are what made Classic...classic.

We still got level14.graal, level13.graal, Angel Clan. Lovely. But where's Sardons? Who didn't love Sardon's? Heck, Master Li's was never an area that was populated, just went there for the level 2 sword, but look how hard it was fought for.

Bring back Big City Mountain is what I say.

NefariousPK · #**239** 08-09-2005, 07:12 AM

I wan't "Big City" back as a playerworld island as it originally was supposed to be i think PLUS i wan't my MINOC TO come back :-( he said If iget it back he'll comeback

Doahh_p2p · #**240** 08-09-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

No offense because I have a lot of respect for you, but it really doesn't look like there's been any progress. Progress implies moving forward and improving, whereas it sounds like many people feel that it's a step backward and that Graal needs some serious reform.

I think the problem appears to be that none of the players know what's going on - maybe if the players were kept up to date about the happenings on the server and what was going on, there'd be less of an issue.

The other problem is of course that people miss the old Classic. I agree here too, and feel that I've been cheated of the Classic I used to play and love. The current map is tiny and frankly, boring.

most quests are still being error tested
that's the problem is no scripts will work with the new scripting engine making more and more problems