War -(07/02/05)-

[Splke]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

No, the first one was unbanning you.

I never got banned, *****.

By the way, your wimpy flash GFX were too pathetic to consider for Dustari, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Does 2k2 want this? I don't see why you want a duplicate of 2k1.

In case if you havn't noticed... 2k2 is a direct duplicate of 2k1 XD. The Kingdoms, the formation of land, the cities, everything.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Alot of members are on tag during the european time zone. I guess you're not on at this time

European time zone is only +5 of EDT. Are you suggesting that the Europeans play on the server until roughly 1200 GMT? Then they log off or something?

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Houses make the kingdom better. You should know this, wait Forest doesn't have alot of houses.

No. Houses are gameplay elements that have no bearing on the success or failure of a kingdom.

If I go on GK and mass
"I'M GIVING OUT FREE HOUSE DEEDS AND APPROVAL AND BUILDING MATERIALS IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON SAMURAI"
Does that make Samurai a better kingdom? No.

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If I go on GK and mass
"I'M GIVING OUT FREE HOUSE DEEDS AND APPROVAL AND BUILDING MATERIALS IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON SAMURAI"
Does that make Samurai a better kingdom? No.

No but I would be happy cause my house went boom.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

In case if you havn't noticed... 2k2 is a direct duplicate of 2k1 XD. The Kingdoms, the formation of land, the cities, everything.

Noticed that. Does that mean we must make everything identical?

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

European time zone is only +5 of EDT. Are you suggesting that the Europeans play on the server until roughly 1200 GMT? Then they log off or something?

Most do, but not all. I can't speak for us all.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

No. Houses are gameplay elements that have no bearing on the success or failure of a kingdom.
If I go on GK and mass
"I'M GIVING OUT FREE HOUSE DEEDS AND APPROVAL AND BUILDING MATERIALS IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON SAMURAI"
Does that make Samurai a better kingdom? No.

It makes the kingdom more active and makes players want to join.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Splke

I never got banned, *****.

By the way, your wimpy flash GFX were too pathetic to consider for Dustari, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW

How come I see you on the forums, but never on the client?
For that matter, I only see one active member of Dustari and that's Anubis. Where is everyone?!

[smurfmidgetninja]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

How about EVERYBODY gets to start summoning their own Gods. It's only fair, by this logic.

*Summons Jesus*
*Jesus explodes all your gods*

HAHA I win

[Brad]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

It makes the kingdom more active and makes players want to join.

Kingdoms aren't about houses and if you truly feel like that you should remove yourself from the RP Team.



..jackass

[Splke]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

How come I see you on the forums, but never on the client?

Because I don't like being in-game. I'm much more productive on the forms.

For that matter, I only see one active member of Dustari and that's Anubis. Where is everyone?!

Anubis is lucky to have his tag. And honestly, I don't have to tell you why nobodys on tag. Me and Drk are cooking something up, but he's sick.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I was actually asked to join the RP Team.

Even I was asked to join the RP Team. So I really don't think that the standard is very high.

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Googi

Even I was asked to join the RP Team. So I really don't think that the standard is very high.

That's because you're Googster.

[Morinya]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Ummm all the kingdoms were present, Dustari, Samuari, CP, and Forest.... but yet their leaders did not post to this.... they had no right to be there, and I feel that this was an unfair use of RP Team.

They owe you no explanation.....
*shakes head*
Forgot the pic.

BTW... if you guys are all about the old records... Zurkiba was banished by the Zormite fish people. This makes everything he as done inculding Zormite in-valid RP, metagaming.

Maybe a little late to post this but...
Samurai was not present at all what the heck are you talking about
The Shogun didn't want us to go so I went off tag not representing Samurai
I was there because I used to be in Zormite and I support Zurkiba, Brad and all the others.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Brad

Kingdoms aren't about houses and if you truly feel like that you should remove yourself from the RP Team.
..jackass

Why else do you go to a kingdom? To sit in the 'village' pub?
No, you go there for your house. Or on special occasions you go
for a war. But that's once in a blue moon.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Why else do you go to a kingdom? To sit in the 'village' pub?
No, you go there for your house. Or on special occasions you go
for a war. But that's once in a blue moon.

But you should be going there to sit in the village pub. Houses do not define a kingdom.

And Brad said "Kingdoms aren't about houses" and you went against that. Are you suggesting that there were no kingdoms before houses were released? I believe there was a good three months before houses were released back when your had a tag that showed your rank- Zurkiba Warharel of Dustari (Duke)

Kingdoms are all about roleplaying and not game mechanics. That is what people such as myself, Brad, Gryffon, etc are trying to put across. Graal Kingdoms has become to obsessed with item collection then it's intended purpose of roleplaying. As long as people, moreso if you're in the RP Team, identify game mechanics as a form of roleplaying or kingdom success then Graal Kingdoms is doomed.

You can have all the members in the world, but if they dont roleplay and they run around on tag screaming (even the upper leaders >.<)
LOL Y R U HERE?!????///questionmark
Then I hardly call that a successful kingdom. Even if they have 70% of the houses of the world (or how ever many)

[Draenin]

Andrew, you really need to start actually looking at your F7 list. Every time I have logged on, there has been nobody on BO tag. And if you don't believe me, I have been collecing a number of screenshots for some time now in order to make that clear. They are not very active at all. Their RP stuff defies what is considered to be normal, (Summoning a Cthulu, which was an idea stolen from H.P. Lovecraft.) they have destroyed a kingdom with, like you said, 4 years of storyline or more, and treat other leaders that had agreed after the death of Etein to be at peace with them. Please tell me what is commendable about that.

You keep asking me why B.O. should be taken out, and all I've been able to respond with is my prior answers. Well, I have come up with a good one now.

Bel'la Olplyn was a kingdom created simply because the leaders did not want to live with the past bad experiences that had happened. So, they created this kingdom in order to cover all of it up. What they may not realize, though, is that it didn't need to be. Zormite is a strong kingdom for roleplay, and would've been even stronger if the whole fish concept had been kept up. I have been in Samurai before for quite a long time, and I can honestly say that the potential they have to roleplay very very well is overshadowed by the Zormitians' potential. However, with Bel'la in place, this is not so. Bel'la Olplyn's entire primary race is a carbon-copy of what already exists in Forest, and gives them the arguement that they should be able to assimilate Forest, since the two races are very closely related. This will negatively affect Forest as well, and if it were to spread like that, where would it go to next? I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of one kingdom engulfing all the others. The idea of having Drows in their kingdom is one borrowed from Forest. The idea of them having a Cthulu is one borrowed from Lovecraft. The idea of them even being able to summon a sea creature was one directly taken from their old kingdom. So essentially, they are taking premade ideas and using them to roleplay. Granted, all kingdoms do so, but not many of them take large ideas like that and turn them into real stuff. So, in conlusion, Bel'la has a weak basis for roleplay because all of their ideas have been taken off of others in order for them to claim that they have 'leet RPing skills.'

At least Forest, Dustari, and CP try. (No offense to Samurai. They just need a little polishing, that's all.)

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Andrew, you really need to start actually looking at your F7 list. Every time I have logged on, there has been nobody on BO tag. And if you don't believe me, I have been collecing a number of screenshots for some time now in order to make that clear. They are not very active at all. Their RP stuff defies what is considered to be normal, (Summoning a Cthulu, which was an idea stolen from H.P. Lovecraft.) they have destroyed a kingdom with, like you said, 4 years of storyline or more, and treat other leaders that had agreed after the death of Etein to be at peace with them. Please tell me what is commendable about that.

I don't really see you online often. I'm on during the EU time, I see active members. I'm happy. I don't see many Forest, Samurai or Dustari players on at this time though.

Zurk:
When there wasn't any houses, what did you do on the kingdom isle'?
Do you go to the kingdom islands to this day to look around or to just visit your house? I go to the kingdom where my house is, only because my house is there. I wouldn't go without a reason for going. So, what's your reason to visit the deserted areas of Graal Kingdoms?

[Splke]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Zurk:
When there wasn't any houses, what did you do on the kingdom isle'?
Do you go to the kingdom islands to this day to look around or to just visit your house? I go to the kingdom where my house is, only because my house is there. I wouldn't go without a reason for going. So, what's your reason to visit the deserted areas of Graal Kingdoms?

ROLEPLAYING

[xAndrewx]

I'm asking how you're going to role play on the kingdom, and what you do on the kingdom.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I don't really see you online often. I'm on during the EU time, I see active members. I'm happy. I don't see many Forest, Samurai or Dustari players on at this time though.

EU time is about five hours from USA time. Yet again - Are you suggesting that all BO members play Graal and then quit around 12:00 GMT? I know I usually get online around 12:00-1:00 GMT (or EU) time and I have seen at most three BO members online
Two Inner Circles who dont know what they're talking about and cant roleplay. These are the higher leaders mind you
A Harbinger who doesn't even know what's going on and keeps dying.

Moreso, it's sad when the kingdom leader doesn't have any time to lead his kingdom. He was complaining to Googi about his workday the other day. Yesterday he said the earliest he could do anything with his kingdom was Thursday because apparently he works 8am-12am every day or something.

I see plenty of Dustarians on, Forest usually has atleast one member online at a time, Samurai is iffy. But atleast they have people who can semi-roleplay. Cant even say the same for the BO Order.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Zurk:
When there wasn't any houses, what did you do on the kingdom isle'?
Do you go to the kingdom islands to this day to look around or to just visit your house? I go to the kingdom where my house is, only because my house is there. I wouldn't go without a reason for going. So, what's your reason to visit the deserted areas of Graal Kingdoms?

As Argo said
ROLEPLAYING

We actually interacted on the island, we actually explored and climbed mountains, stuff like that. We roleplayed together and with each other. We had events and whatnot.

However, Graal Kingdoms has ruined itself with the Main Island, it should be removed and the important buildings on it taken to the five islands. Or atleast make the islands economicly and levelwise independant.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I'm asking how you're going to role play on the kingdom, and what you do on the kingdom.

Are you serious? You do know that your title says
Andrew (RP Team)

[xAndrewx]

You're saying I do exactly the same as you while I'm on the kingdom isle'?
I'm asking what you do when you're on the kingdom islands.

We're all on at different times is what I'm saying. You can't possibly see each kingdom online. You see alot of Dustarians online during the day, I see 1. I see alot of Drows, you see 1.

You're still wanting back Zormite I guess?
Well, it's been said that you can only obtain 'Bel'la O' back if the leader quits. But he hasn't quit so you can't get it. Sorry to tell you this!

[Splke]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Well, it's been said that you can only obtain 'Bel'la O' back if the leader quits. But he hasn't quit so you can't get it. Sorry to tell you this!

Or.. like, we can take it up with Stefan, like we always do things when somebodys obstructing gameplay and current staff incharge of handling that department aren't doing it right.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You're saying I do exactly the same as you while I'm on the kingdom isle'?
I'm asking what you do when you're on the kingdom islands.

What? You're not being very articulate.
What you do on kingdom islands
ROLEPLAY

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

We're all on at different times is what I'm saying. You can't possibly see each kingdom online. You see alot of Dustarians online during the day, I see 1. I see alot of Drows, you see 1.

I dont think you understand it. It's not like we're on opposite sides of the world here. Trust me, I've played plenty of games with British people and other Europeans. They dont go "OSNAP IT'S NOON I GOTTA GO TO SLEEP AND REST FOR 19 HOURS!". I know how time works, so dont start to lecture me on stuff that isn't true or far fetched as 'They're on EU Time which means that they're sleeping when you're online'. I know you didn't say that, so dont pick that out... it's an example.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You're still wanting back Zormite I guess?
Well, it's been said that you can only obtain 'Bel'la O' back if the leader quits. But he hasn't quit so you can't get it. Sorry to tell you this!

Where did this even come from?
And it's been said that the RP Team has to decide the fate of kingdoms. Sorry to tell you this!

Going by your logic if I became a kingdom leader and I gave no one rights and then I left Graal without telling anyone, or without officially quitting as you might acklodge it, then technically you couldn't remove me due to inactivity. Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. Not to mention I'm talking with some RP Team members as I come across them about it. You just always seem to ignore me and others anyway and we're working on secondary options (if Kefkin will ever come online)

[Draenin]

What's that thing in your sig, Zurk?

[Brad]

haha andrew you're totally some random newbie who spawned out of nowhere


I hate the word newbie but it really applies here

[xAndrewx]

Actually Zurk, you're wrong. Kefkin has informed members of the RP team that he has gone for a week or 2.
I know you're roleplaying on the kingdom islands, but how're you roleplaying on the islands? What're you doing on the island what makes it roleplaying?
Now, if you don't understand that there isn't much hope.

I'm saying we play at different times of the day. You can't possibly see everything. I've not see you online while I'm playing Kingdoms, I seem to see Kefkin though.
Oh, and read the thread above this one.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Actually Zurk, you're wrong. Kefkin has informed members of the RP team that he has gone for a week or 2.
I know you're roleplaying on the kingdom islands, but how're you roleplaying on the islands? What're you doing on the island what makes it roleplaying?
Now, if you don't understand that there isn't much hope.

I'm saying we play at different times of the day. You can't possibly see everything. I've not see you online while I'm playing Kingdoms, I seem to see Kefkin though.
Oh, and read the thread above this one.

Because of work, extra activities which make him inactive. That is the definition itself. I know all about him being gone till Thursday so dont say I'm wrong when you dont know what I know.

How are we roleplaying on the island? It's simple, we're in character. The entire event is on hiatus until Graynt actually comes around. We're participating in a RP Team sanctioned event.
Secondly for your first paragraph, I dont think you know what's going on even with the RP Team contacting you and me explaining the event to you two times.

We dont play different times of the day, that's the point. You just dont understand that at all. Just because you live in Europe does not mean you're in a completely different time frame as us. It just means that when it's midnight there (00:00 GMT) then it's 7pm EDT.

And I see you on GK all the time, just because you dont see me doesn't mean I'm not there.

[xAndrewx]

You didn't know that the RP Team new about Graynt being away for a while. That's all I was saying.
I hope an RP Team member is there to witness the event. I would also like this RP Team member to note everything down if possible.
You really don't understand the point in what I said about the times. Just forget it, it's impossible to tell you something if you just re-direct it to what you said in the first place.
((I'm sleeping out tonight, so I shall not be able to get on to Graal, sorry))

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You didn't know that the RP Team new about Graynt being away for a while. That's all I was saying.
I hope an RP Team member is there to witness the event. I would also like this RP Team member to note everything down if possible.
You really don't understand the point in what I said about the times. Just forget it, it's impossible to tell you something if you just re-direct it to what you said in the first place.
((I'm sleeping out tonight, so I shall not be able to get on to Graal, sorry))

And how would you know that? How would I know about the Thursday day? Answer those questions before you accuse me of not knowing things that I do.

Actually... for that event we had Shawn and perhaps some others.

I do understand the point about the times... you just dont understand that people in Europe can play with people in America because there isn't that big of a time gap.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

And how would you know that? How would I know about the Thursday day? Answer those questions before you accuse me of not knowing things that I do.

Actually... for that event we had Shawn and perhaps some others.

I do understand the point about the times... you just dont understand that people in Europe can play with people in America because there isn't that big of a time gap.

I'm not to sure how you new about Kefkin being away, someone in the RP Team obviously told you.

Thanks Shawn, would you mind telling me what exactly happened. Thanks

I didn't say we don't play with the Americans because of the time gap. I'm saying it's hard for you to see players when you don't live in the same time zone.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I'm not to sure how you new about Kefkin being away, someone in the RP Team obviously told you.

Thanks Shawn, would you mind telling me what exactly happened. Thanks

I didn't say we don't play with the Americans because of the time gap. I'm saying it's hard for you to see players when you don't live in the same time zone.

Actually, we're working with Kefkin on the issue.

Why cant I explain it? I'll do it anyway
Bellaserian and Pirates took sea domination as the Kraken of the North started to fight the sea creature that the Drows summoned. (Personally I feel that the Kraken would win seeing how their creature isn't made for aqua combat/life/etc)
Dustari landed on the West Coast of the Zormite island
A few Forest members landed on the east coast, however the majority stayed there.
The Zormites, moving around the Kraken - Seamonster battle, moved around to land on the top right, top left, and bottom areas. The Pirates took out three ships before they realised who they were. There was light defense but for the most part the allied nations overran the upper levels of the island.

So are you saying that because I'm American that some people will be invisible on my playerlist? Doesn't work that way.

[Gambet]

Zurk:

Get on AIM, need to talk to you.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

So are you saying that because I'm American that some people will be invisible on my playerlist? Doesn't work that way.

I think he meant that you are not always on when players from other timezones are on.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Gambet

I think he meant that you are not always on when players from other timezones are on.

But the majority of Europeans would still be online. Apparently he sees a lot of BO members on in European time but if you go on at like 12pm EDT then they're all gone.

[Morinya]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

But the majority of Europeans would still be online. Apparently he sees a lot of BO members on in European time but if you go on at like 12pm EDT then they're all gone.

I'm online while Andrew plays since our timezones only have 1 hour difference if i'm correct, and there are no BO members it's rare to see more than 1 at the same time...

[GoZelda]

Uh yeah uh.

What kindoms are attacking the Bella Opera again?

Dammit, I almost want Moonie to come and close this.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Morinya

I'm online while Andrew plays since our timezones only have 1 hour difference if i'm correct, and there are no BO members it's rare to see more than 1 at the same time...

You don't play much during the day

[Brad]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You don't play much during the day

Dude, everyone knows you're bull****tin just cut it. You're definately the only supporter of the ****ing drow kingdom which spawned out of Kefkin's Candy Land. Just because both of you are in LYS together doesn't mean you gotta stand by each other. BO. IS. ****ING. STUPID. AND. IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE. THAT. DROWS. WERE. LIVING. HERE. THE. ENTIRE. TIME. AND. THE. RP. ADMIN. ALREADY. SAID. THEY. DO. NOT. EXIST. CAN. YOU. UNDERSTAND. NOW?

[xAndrewx]

Brad, who's the RP admin?!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Brad, who's the RP admin?!

****head, who got fired because they knew how stupid the staff is?


Don't talk.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Brad, who's the RP admin?!

Technically? I suppose that's me, since I'm now the executor of that office. I'd place my bet that it was Vermain that decreed the whole "No Drow" edict. But since there have only been four Roleplaying Admins of Graal's main storyline, I suppose there was a good chance of picking the right one anyway.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Brad

****head, who got fired because they knew how stupid the staff is?


Don't talk.

My eyes roll

[Brad]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

My eyes roll

You seriously think you're hot **** cause you're on the RP Team? I got that job talking **** on all the staff and still talking **** until they finally couldn't handle me anymore. REBEL 4 LYF DAWG.