Speed Hackers 2

Deophite18 · #1 06-27-2005, 08:55 PM

Someone needs to hire some more staff to work on zone and monitor whats going on. One staff member simply isnt going to cut it and hes not ALWAYS on. I am getting sick of being in a game and getting killed repeatedly by some ******* who runs 3x faster than anyone else. It ruins the entire game.

Amagius · #2 06-27-2005, 09:41 PM

Speed Hackers 2: The Graalian Menace

Sorry, the subject just seemed like a movie rip-off.

Googi · #3 06-27-2005, 10:14 PM

Yeah some other staff would be good. Why is Gambet the only staff anyways? I don't really see what distinguishes him from everyone else.

Crono · #4 06-27-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah some other staff would be good. Why is Gambet the only staff anyways? I don't really see what distinguishes him from everyone else.

he iz kewl LOL IF CUORS!!

Admins · #5 06-27-2005, 10:51 PM

Yes we am working on something more automatically. It's strange that even some admins do speed hack (Cassy from Era) and hackers now speed hack on Zone to get an account banned (see Admin-Playerworld99)

Curt1zzle · #6 06-27-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Yes we am working on something more automatically. It's strange that even some admins do speed hack (Cassy from Era) and hackers now speed hack on Zone to get an account banned (see Admin-Playerworld99)

Automated would be good, but it will never beat a real person.

Cassy's case is very odd...I need to talk to her about it.

SayianOozaru · #7 06-28-2005, 01:00 AM

you could hire me as staff

i'm usually on Zone anyway....

the only time i get off, is when i'm laggin really bad...

Curt1zzle · #8 06-28-2005, 01:05 AM

Cassy's post got removed somehow and now she can't post because of her 8 hour classic limit, so I'll post her message:

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Yes we am working on something more automatically. It's strange that even some admins do speed hack (Cassy from Era) and hackers now speed hack on Zone to get an account banned (see Admin-Playerworld99)

While the former came as a complete surprise to me, the latter does not. I have spent hours since Saturday trying to find out about my account's ban before this was to be made a public example, but it appears to be too late.. support ticket filed.

Anyone who wishes to speak to me privately about this, please do so. =("

- Cassy

VulcanP2P · #9 06-28-2005, 02:25 AM

I am fully against Cassy's ban. I've talked to her and Stefan about it. Hopefully some solid proof that it was not her can be found.

Edit: Sorry to steer this post off topic but Gambet is fully against someone to fill a GP job. I talked to Stefan about working as a GP with just Ban and Disconnect and Gambet didn't want one. Hopefully the system will be good enough but like Cutr1s said a person is always better than a script.

Curt1zzle · #10 06-28-2005, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

I am fully against Cassy's ban. I've talked to her and Stefan about it. Hopefully some solid proof that it was not her can be found.

Edit: Sorry to steer this post off topic but Gambet is fully against someone to fill a GP job. I talked to Stefan about working as a GP with just Ban and Disconnect and Gambet didn't want one. Hopefully the system will be good enough but like Cutr1s said a person is always better than a script.

If Jesus Christ himself were a scripter or graphics artist, Gambet would be "opposed" to having him hired on Zone.

It's very simple, Gambet feels like he's got Zone around his finger and it's a classic "My bone, don't touch" scenario.

VulcanP2P · #11 06-28-2005, 03:03 AM

Actually I think he said something extemely similar to that just in different words.

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juice188 · #12 06-28-2005, 04:45 AM

xD very nice.

SayianOozaru · #13 06-28-2005, 06:36 AM

XD well, what happened to Gambet? he hasn't been on for like 1 week and a half....so all those hackers have been gettin away with hacking

Blackdragon · #14 06-28-2005, 09:04 AM

To guild totally we need alot more staff members on Zone Gambet you never know when on at the right time. Learn to get alot mroe time on Zone if you are going to be staff then you need to be more like me and double server at a time i have like 5 serves up at the same time and i'm playing 5 times the games god

Obvious · #15 06-28-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Yes we am working on something more automatically. It's strange that even some admins do speed hack (Cassy from Era) and hackers now speed hack on Zone to get an account banned (see Admin-Playerworld99)

I highly doubt it was her.

xAndrewx · #16 06-28-2005, 09:41 AM

Cassy isn't like that :[

StormYs · #17 06-28-2005, 11:42 AM

Cassy told me she was suddenly banned but erm whatever

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These days you find hackers everywhere on zone... like rykuz and his other accounts and newbs with no gold x.x very annoying

VulcanP2P · #18 06-28-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Obvious

I highly doubt it was her.

Exactly. >_>

Gambet · #19 06-28-2005, 06:26 PM

What you all don't know is that whether admins are on or not, speed hackers are caught. Currently, when you speed hack, it's recorded in a log which I check each time I get on. I've been absent the past 4-5 days (which I will explain why in the hello/goodbye thread in a moment), so I havnt been able to check the logs, but I'm sure Stefan has.

Zone does not need anymore staff then it already has.

Remember: Just because staff are not on does not mean that what you do is not logged (I.E speed hackers).

protagonist · #20 06-28-2005, 08:18 PM

One admin to police a server is simply not enough. Not for the volume that Zone gets. No harm comes from having another enforcer or two there, as long as they are nice, trustworthy people.

VulcanP2P · #21 06-28-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What you all don't know is that whether admins are on or not, speed hackers are caught. Currently, when you speed hack, it's recorded in a log which I check each time I get on. I've been absent the past 4-5 days (which I will explain why in the hello/goodbye thread in a moment), so I havnt been able to check the logs, but I'm sure Stefan has.

Zone does not need anymore staff then it already has.

Remember: Just because staff are not on does not mean that what you do is not logged (I.E speed hackers).

I know how the system works Gambet but there are times where a person is better to have than a script. It would be good to have at the least one GP.

Edit: Take this case Cassy has right now. A script can't determine if it was her or someone who hacked her account.

Curt1zzle · #22 06-28-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What you all don't know is that whether admins are on or not, speed hackers are caught. Currently, when you speed hack, it's recorded in a log which I check each time I get on. I've been absent the past 4-5 days (which I will explain why in the hello/goodbye thread in a moment), so I havnt been able to check the logs, but I'm sure Stefan has.

Zone does not need anymore staff then it already has.

Remember: Just because staff are not on does not mean that what you do is not logged (I.E speed hackers).

That's all swell and dandy Gambet, but Zone doesn't belong to you.

I'm so tired of your rent-a-cop attitude...stop feeling so threatened.

The hackers might be banned a few days after, but at the time they're online and ruining peoples' gameplay - they deserve to be banned on the spot.

Sacred Shadow · #23 06-28-2005, 08:34 PM

I highly doubt Cassy speed hacked...

Chris · #24 06-28-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What you all don't know is that whether admins are on or not, speed hackers are caught. Currently, when you speed hack, it's recorded in a log which I check each time I get on. I've been absent the past 4-5 days (which I will explain why in the hello/goodbye thread in a moment), so I havnt been able to check the logs, but I'm sure Stefan has.

Zone does not need anymore staff then it already has.

Remember: Just because staff are not on does not mean that what you do is not logged (I.E speed hackers).

She didn't speed hack. You know I wouldn't lie about that to you. She would be the last person to do that.

Gambet · #25 06-28-2005, 08:58 PM

I didn't ban Cassy, Stefan did.

Besides, it's not a factor whether it was the persons account that hacked at the time. The point is, the account was hacking, thus it's been banned. Who it belongs to or if the owner hacked or not is not really a factor. Either way, this would have to be discussed with Stefan (if Cassy feels that she shouldn't be banned).

Anyways, more staff is not needed. Speed Hacking is the only problem currently, and all speed hackers are logged. Stefan is working on making the system create automatic actions. This could mean that speed hackers would be disconnected automatically, or banned, or whatever he decides to do. Until then, the current system is fine.

VulcanP2P · #26 06-28-2005, 09:00 PM

If the current system is fine then why are people complaining?

Chris · #27 06-28-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

If the current system is fine then why are people complaining?

It obviously isn't.

Gambet · #28 06-28-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

If the current system is fine then why are people complaining?

Things are going on behind the scenes, the players just need to be patient. We are working on making ways of improving the system. It's fine because all speed hackers are caught. The only problem is that some speed hackers will probably have their fun before they are banned, since Stefan and myself don't always catch hackers while they are hacking, but that's why we're working on making the system create automatic actions.

There are more reliable ways of doing this then taking the easy way out by adding a bunch of staff which is clearly not needed.

VulcanP2P · #29 06-28-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Things are going on behind the scenes, the players just need to be patient. We are working on making ways of improving the system. It's fine because all speed hackers are caught. The only problem is that some speed hackers will probably have their fun before they are banned, since Stefan and myself don't always catch hackers while they are hacking, but that's why we're working on making the system create automatic actions.

There are more reliable ways of doing this then taking the easy way out by adding a bunch of staff which is clearly not needed.

Sure, the automatic banning or jailing would solve the problem of them having "fun" as you called it before they're punished but it still doesn't solve the problem of the people punished unfairly. One or two people to handle the hackers is not a waste. It would help out the server alot.

Gambet · #30 06-28-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

Sure, the automatic banning or jailing would solve the problem of them having "fun" as you called it before they're punished but it still doesn't solve the problem of the people punished unfairly. One or two people to handle the hackers is not a waste. It would help out the server alot.

Once again, there is no "punished unfairly". When an account is banned, what does that mean? It means that the account cannot play the server anymore. Since when does it matter if the person committing the crime is the actual owner of the account? As I said, those things are to be discussed with Stefan.

Your points on getting staff are not very good reasons. Things like unfair bannings are to be brought up with Stefan by the person, and not handled by anyone else, unless it's unixmad.

VulcanP2P · #31 06-28-2005, 09:19 PM

What I meant by being punished unfairly was that a script cannot do what a person would be able to. Lets say Person X somehow triggers the system without even speedhacking and is sent to jail. A GP however sees the message in RC and warps to them to see if they're hacking or not or they check the log and look if the person was hacking for a long time or if theres just one or two messages. A script can not be as reliable as a person can be.

Gambet · #32 06-28-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

What I meant by being punished unfairly was that a script cannot do what a person would be able to. Lets say Person X somehow triggers the system without even speedhacking and is sent to jail. A GP however sees the message in RC and warps to them to see if they're hacking or not or they check the log and look if the person was hacking for a long time or if theres just one or two messages. A script can not be as reliable as a person can be.

You seem to underestimate Stefans abilities. I've already thought of this, and I know of ways to make sure that the person being punished is actually speed hacking. I'll be discussing the automatic actions with Stefan the next time I see him.

VulcanP2P · #33 06-28-2005, 09:22 PM

Sometimes things aren't what they seem...

I've seen first hand, like many others, what Stefan is able to do.

Gambet · #34 06-28-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

Sometimes things aren't what they seem...

I've seen first hand, like many others, what Stefan is able to do.

Vulcan, I've already thought of all of this, just be patient.

VulcanP2P · #35 06-28-2005, 09:28 PM

I understand that but I think everyone can agree that it is hard to be patient because whenever you log on Zone you have speed hackers ruining your fun.

Gambet · #36 06-28-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VulcanP2P

I understand that but I think everyone can agree that it is hard to be patient because whenever you log on Zone you have speed hackers ruining your fun.

Which is why I'll try to get this thing done a.s.a.p

Anyways, while I'm on, you won't need to worry about speed hackers.

pacMASTA · #37 06-28-2005, 10:18 PM

Also maybe she did go faster then norm but it could have been a hardware glithc in her GPU or CPU wich would change frames...

Curt1zzle · #38 06-28-2005, 10:36 PM

Gambet, you're rediculous and close minded. It's pissing not only me, but near everyone off.

When you look around and see damn near everyone complaining...something must be wrong.

Answer this, Gambet: What does it hurt to hire 1 addition staff, making 2 (1+1=2) to handle players who hack?

Gambet · #39 06-28-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Blah

Because more staff won't be needed once the system is completed.

pacMASTA · #40 06-28-2005, 10:48 PM

or just because you crave power hmmm and want to have zone under your controll hmmm?