Hire new EM by election

Sam · #1 03-13-2005, 11:10 AM

I massed yesterday that we hire new EM´s.

If you are interesting in it, please send me a forum PM.
Tell me your time zone and what kind of events you would like to host. Likewise new ideas are always welcome.

We´ll extract an applicant selection of 3 players. In a public election in Bomboria you can choose your candidates.

Sam Schlurf
Events Master Administrator

GoZelda · #2 03-13-2005, 01:29 PM

You shouldn't rely on the voting house.

Craigus · #3 03-13-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

You shouldn't rely on the voting house.

why not? i think the voting house is a perfect way to find a EM that is there to please the graal public

GoZelda · #4 03-13-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Craigus

why not?

We're talking Graal Kingdoms here. You do realize that, right? I bet you some sort of powerplayer will be chosen.

Gambet · #5 03-13-2005, 04:15 PM

This is a very foolish way of choosing an EM. This vote will be completely bias and the most popular player will win.

*sigh*

I wouldve figured by now that everyone wouldve figured that out...

Sam · #6 03-13-2005, 04:27 PM

Oh yea, the "Know-It-All guild" is still active! You are all knowing that our preselect including the "popular player" and "powerplayer".

XGoLink · #7 03-13-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Oh yea, the "Know-It-All guild" is still active! You are all knowing that our preselect including the "popular player" and "powerplayer".

Please. Improve your English. Trying to look as if though you have a grand vocabulary while you don't make any sense is ridiculous. Also, your attitude isn't fitting to your job - don't like criticism? Then quit.

Sam · #8 03-13-2005, 04:50 PM

Sorry that you have problems with my english. But this is off topic here. I hope you are not interested in that job, because of the problems you would have when we have to work together!

GoZelda · #9 03-13-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Sorry that you have problems with my english.

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

But this is off topic here.

No it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

I hope you are not interested in that job, because of the problems you would have when we have to work together!

Translation: I hope you are not interested in that job, because if you apply it'll force me to go corrupt and not let you in because I don't like you!

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

problems you would have when we have to work together!

What would these problems be? Your incompetence?

dNeonb · #10 03-13-2005, 05:05 PM

I like the idea becasue it is not "foolish".
Everyone who wants to become EM can contact Schlurfy. After some time the best 3 will be choosen by Staff. Those 3 will be the canidates who can be elected. All those 3 will be good enough for the position. Only the last decision who of them will get the job is player based. It's a way to give the players some more influence. What should be bad?

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

But this is off topic here.

No it isn't.

Sam's english is off topic. The EM election is on topic.

GoZelda · #11 03-13-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

I like the idea becasue it is not "foolish".

Have you forgot how the Mayor Events turned out?

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What should be bad?

Give a newbie 1k plat, he is your slave.

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Sam's english is off topic. The EM election is on topic.

Define 'on topic' and 'off topic'.

XGoLink · #12 03-13-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

I hope you are not interested in that job, because of the problems you would have when we have to work together!

Afcourse we can work together if we both want it, and I wanna if I am a EM, duh...

Crono · #13 03-13-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XGoLink

Please. Improve your English. Trying to look as if though you have a grand vocabulary while you don't make any sense is ridiculous. Also, your attitude isn't fitting to your job - don't like criticism? Then quit.

gozelda posted that for you didn't he

?

Voting = rigged. People will vote for the most powerful and popular player regardless of that persons' ET skills.

XGoLink · #14 03-13-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

gozelda posted that for you didn't he

?

Nooooooo!

dNeonb · #15 03-13-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Have you forgot how the Mayor Events turned out?

A Mayor is not an EM.

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Give a newbie 1k plat, he is your slave.

Makes no sense in the context you quoted.

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Define 'on topic' and 'off topic'.

On topic is a discussion about the subject the threadstart started with.
Every thing else off topic. Just a simple definition. I guess this is listed in the forum rules, too.

It seems you don't understand it. All those 3 canidates are slected by STAFF. All of them woulbe be good enough to do the job. We can decide one of them, too. But the players should elect one becasue all the time they say the EM's are not good. So now they should elect one of those 3, we (the staff) elected.

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Voting = rigged. People will vote for the most powerful and popular player regardless of that persons' ET skills.

Why, you don't know which the staff will select to be in th voteinground, do you?

XGoLink · #16 03-13-2005, 06:47 PM

We can guess.. Aki, Zoe, Ana, Wren...

Damix2 · #17 03-13-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XGoLink

Please. Improve your English. Trying to look as if though you have a grand vocabulary while you don't make any sense is ridiculous. Also, your attitude isn't fitting to your job - don't like criticism? Then quit.

His english is not that bad, I understood it in the first go around, unlike some people who have english as their first language.

GoZelda · #18 03-13-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

Makes no sense in the context you quoted.

Or perhaps you didn't understand it.

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On topic is a discussion about the subject the threadstart started with.
Every thing else off topic. Just a simple definition. I guess this is listed in the forum rules, too.

You do know that nearly all threads are off-topic then, do you?

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Originally Posted by dNeonb

It seems you don't understand it. All those 3 candidates are selected by STAFF. All of them would space be be good enough to do the job. We can decide one of them, too. But the players should elect one because all the time they say the EM's are not good. So now they should elect one of those 3, we (the staff) elected.

That's just like the mayor event was

Damix2 · #19 03-13-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Or perhaps you didn't understand it.

You do know that nearly all threads are off-topic then, do you?

That's just like the mayor event was

The mayor event was fine, well atleast the voting was. When I won it, it was very close and people actually did pick who they thought had the best story. I can tell you I was not the most popular person of the canidates.

XGoLink · #20 03-13-2005, 09:34 PM

It was last time, we all knew cyrin had the best RP story/Kingdom =(

Damix2 · #21 03-13-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XGoLink

It was last time, we all knew cyrin had the best RP story/Kingdom =(

Thats an opinion, obviously if he didn't win then not everyone thought so.

Kaimetsu · #22 03-13-2005, 09:53 PM

I can think of no valid reason to decide this by vote. Democracy is only valid if the average voter knows more than the administrators - and if that's the case then we should be replacing the current staff rather than hiring new ones.

Zero Hour · #23 03-13-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

I can think of no valid reason to decide this by vote. Democracy is only valid if the average voter knows more than the administrators - and if that's the case then we should be replacing the current staff rather than hiring new ones.

Under those circumstances I agree, but I think Sam is assuming those who vote will know the players better than he does.

Gambet · #24 03-13-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

I can think of no valid reason to decide this by vote. Democracy is only valid if the average voter knows more than the administrators - and if that's the case then we should be replacing the current staff rather than hiring new ones.

Agreed, but for some reason the GK staff think this would be appropriate. The last mayor voting was completely bias and Spike won because he was the most popular out of the three. Spike wore his tag for like a week and then forgot about his responsibilities.

If the staff cant decide who would be a good EM, then why bother being in charge of hiring?

Zero Hour · #25 03-13-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XGoLink

We can guess.. Aki, Zoe, Ana, Wren...

Don't be so Negative. Wren doesn't play anymore, Ana quit, and Zoe is like Bigfoot, a fabled creature seen once or twice by crazy hill billies. Akira probably wouldn't be interested in being EM, anyways.

Kaimetsu · #26 03-13-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I think Sam is assuming those who vote will know the players better than he does.

Then he should simply ask some trustworthy members of the community for input. Surely he can identify some of those.

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Originally Posted by Gambet

If the staff cant decide who would be a good EM, then why bother being in charge of hiring?

If you can't correctly decide when to use 'whom', then don't use it at all.

Zero Hour · #27 03-13-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Then he should simply ask some trustworthy members of the community for input. Surely he can identify some of those.

I think he's trying to get the players involved so that they feel like they had more of a say in it.

Gambet · #28 03-13-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

If you can't properly decide when to use 'whom', then don't use it at all.

That was a typo. My mistake.

Zero Hour · #29 03-13-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

That was a typo. My mistake.

I don't mean to be critical but it's very unlikely that you accidently moved your hand from the top to the bottom and pressed M to form "Whom" which can be confused with Who. Anyways, this isn't important... just a mistake.

Gambet · #30 03-13-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I don't mean to be critical but it's very unlikely that you accidently moved your hand from the top to the bottom and pressed M to form "Whom" which can be confused with Who. Anyways, this isn't important... just a mistake.

By typo I meant that it was a gramatical error. While I was typing, whom sounded correct, but when I reread it, it was incorrect.

Kaimetsu · #31 03-13-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

While I was typing, whom sounded correct, but when I reread it, it was incorrect.

That's fair enough. It can be a tricky word, and it takes time to get a good feeling for when to use it.

meishanli · #32 03-14-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by XGoLink

We can guess.. Aki, Zoe, Ana, Wren...

Argh, why do you people always point at us.

Ana quit.
(I think you should know this by now?)

Zoe and Wren is both inactive. (Wren still plays abit though)

Zero Hour is more than correct- I'm not intrested.

I'm not sure if voting is the best idea since bribes can interfere with it easily.
Someone mentioned about giving 'platinum coins' to a newbie, is an example.

Why don't you accept applications like you did before, Sam?

Python523 · #33 03-14-2005, 02:46 AM

Although asking the community to pick, which would in theory pick someone who most people would want, is a good idea, it can't work out well. People, in general, suck and can't be trusted to make the correct decisions.

Zero Hour · #34 03-14-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Python523

Although asking the community to pick, which would in theory pick someone who most people would want, is a good idea, it can't work out well. People, in general, suck and can't be trusted to make the correct decisions.

For the most part.

Sam · #35 03-14-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by meishanli

Why don't you accept applications like you did before, Sam?

I decided to do it this way because I want:
1. To give the players the right of co determination.
2. To make the nomination more diversify.
3. To let us have some fun.
4. Because it is annoying to receive all days the same question: "may I become an EM?" or, "why you let him be an EM but not me" and so on...

Trying to suit everybody wont work!

Kaimetsu · #36 03-14-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

I decided to do it this way because I want:
1. To give the players the right of co determination

That's not a reason, that's just a reiteration of what you did.

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2. To make the nomination more diversify

It's only as diverse as the candidates you consider. And you can consider them without opening the matter to the public.

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3. To let us have some fun

Appointing staff isn't supposed to be about "fun". It's about appointing staff. Ideally we make sure they're good staff.

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4. Because it is annoying to receive all days the same question: "may I become an EM?" or, "why you let him be an EM but not me" and so on...

Tough! Nobody said that administration was easy. Pandering to the players' whinings is not the way to go.

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Trying to suit everybody wont work!

So stop trying, and focus on developing the best team possible.

Chris · #37 03-14-2005, 06:39 PM

This will just escalate into a popularity contest. Sam you should select the new event masters. Contrary to popular belief, the players do not always know what is best for the server.

Googi · #38 03-14-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Appointing staff isn't supposed to be about "fun".

The server should be as fun as possible, so sacrificing some quality in terms of staff is okay if it makes the server more fun.

Zero Hour · #39 03-14-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

The server should be as fun as possible, so sacrificing some quality in terms of staff is okay if it makes the server more fun.

That's basically the case here. The role of an EM isn't exactley a hard one... so the staff don't have to take it as seriously and can let the players have some fun with it.

While Kai seems to be concerned more with Getting the job done, I think Sam just wants to let the players decide so they feel more involved. *shrug* It's not a big deal, really.

Gambet · #40 03-14-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

That's basically the case here. The role of an EM isn't exactley a hard one... so the staff don't have to take it as seriously and can let the players have some fun with it.

While Kai seems to be concerned more with Getting the job done, I think Sam just wants to let the players decide so they feel more involved. *shrug* It's not a big deal, really.

Not a big deal? The role of an EM is very crucial on a server like GK. Events is basically the only thing holding up the server now. The economy is screwed, everyones quitting, and its all mayhem. The events is basically all GK has now, and each day I'm on and I ahrdly ever see EM's on tag hosting. Its sad that Sam has to host all the time, and sometimes even Bjoern (yes, I spelled this correctly). Have the EM lost interest in hosting? I know that players like to screw up events, so maybe EM's should have the right to pillory, so they can keep control of the events they are hosting. The EM position is more important then they are credited for.