Motivation

[TribulationStaff]

HOw come so many of my posts spawn arguments?

[protagonist]

Originally posted by TribulationStaff
HOw come so many of my posts spawn arguments?

It's the paw!

[ETD]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I don't think so. I think there's a reasonable chance that he was genuinely trying to contain the arguments.

bingo!
i was tired of moonie getting offended by my post, then dragging it off topic, so i thought i would make 1 thread, where we could just post, and get it out of those other threads (well, including this one)
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after we got it all into that 1 thread, i just wanted to get this arguing to stop... i mean, all it is is moonie and MG trying to make me look bad

if you actually read what i say, instead of just listening to their complaints, you can see that i have not posted anything that bad.

[Darlene159]

friggin drop it ETD, geez

[superb]

Originally posted by ETD

bingo!
i was tired of moonie getting offended by my post, then dragging it off topic, so i thought i would make 1 thread, where we could just post, and get it out of those other threads (well, including this one)
=/
after we got it all into that 1 thread, i just wanted to get this arguing to stop... i mean, all it is is moonie and MG trying to make me look bad

if you actually read what i say, instead of just listening to their complaints, you can see that i have not posted anything that bad.

I agree. They'd take offense if you said the grass on N-pulse was green.

[Tseng]

Um. This is at least the 5th thread in which I've seen a post by ETD recently, and all of said posts have somehow been slamming N-Pulse, whether or not the original topic of the post was related to N-Pulse. And he claims he was starting a thread so that 'all the negative things about n-pulse could go in one thread' - that makes me laugh, considering that all of said negative posts about npulse were made by him.

[TifaKhan]

I'm glad someone else is noticing
<3 ^-^

[Spark910]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
I'm glad someone else is noticing
<3 ^-^

I was too

[superb]

Originally posted by Tseng
Um. This is at least the 5th thread in which I've seen a post by ETD recently, and all of said posts have somehow been slamming N-Pulse, whether or not the original topic of the post was related to N-Pulse. And he claims he was starting a thread so that 'all the negative things about n-pulse could go in one thread' - that makes me laugh, considering that all of said negative posts about npulse were made by him.

Yeah some of them have been a little on the negative side, but the first post he made in this thread wasn't really. Nor was the one in the playerworlds forum. the Moon Deities are clearly overreacting in my opinion.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by superb

Yeah some of them have been a little on the negative side, but the first post he made in this thread wasn't really. Nor was the one in the playerworlds forum. the Moon Deities are clearly overreacting in my opinion.

"Some", "a little on the negative side"?

*sigh*. No comment.

And, just because he may have made one decent post, that doesn't excuse all of the other ones. In fact, I think this is rather the opposite viewpoint as should be taken - Two or three such posts should be sufficient for some kind of formal warning.

[ETD]

i was hoping that while the forums were down, this would die down, and the arguing could just stop
-_-
i'd like to see where i have 'smashed' n-pulse in one of my origional posts in those threads....

but send it to me in a PM, or make another thread, or something, because i thought this was a really cool thread, till it was driven off topic
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and i made the other thread, because i wanted to get the others on topic... if you look at what really made the other threads go off topic, it was moonie complaining about me... i mean, if you read all my first posts, they are all on topic
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besides, i think this is just a strange time, since littlerall like 80% of the active topics in the graal, and PW sections, involve n-pulse, so it would only make sence for a lot of my post resently to be about n-pulse... and i bet at least 60% of my resent posts have just been defending myself
-_-
anyways, i just wish this arguing would die.. because even when me and moonie stop, you guys just keep going.

thanks for sticking up for me superb, i'm glad at least someone sees things the way i do.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Tseng


"Some", "a little on the negative side"?

*sigh*. No comment.

And, just because he may have made one decent post, that doesn't excuse all of the other ones. In fact, I think this is rather the opposite viewpoint as should be taken - Two or three such posts should be sufficient for some kind of formal warning.

I had to copy and paste all the negative comments and send them to Kai so he could look at them since he didnt see them...doubt anything was done.

but the first post he made in this thread wasn't really.

Maybe not, but by this time I was already quite irritated by the other posts, and perhaps did over react here.

since littlerall like 80% of the active topics in the graal, and PW sections, involve n-pulse,

Untrue

if you look at what really made the other threads go off topic, it was moonie complaining about me

I only complain when you attack me or npulse

and i bet at least 60% of my resent posts have just been defending myself

After you attacked me

Are we done now? This thread is completely distroyed, and I know it was my fault....I truly apologize to the creator, but I have completely had it with the attacks on me and npulse, and always using us and npulse as an example of what not to be

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I had to copy and paste all the negative comments and send them to Kai so he could look at them since he didnt see them...doubt anything was done.

I took a look, but found little to justify the claim that he is harrassing you. He posts criticism, yes, but as a server manager you need to be ready to accept that. Should I delete your posts when you criticise my choices as moderator? Are they examples of harrassment? They are no less so than ETD's criticisms of you or your server. Most of the fighting arises when one of you Moon Deities attack him or command him to abstain from posting in regard to N-Pulse. He is entitled to give a negative opinion, as long as it is within reasonable bounds.

[AlkarenHyralt]

I lost any serious motivation long ago.

Only motivation for working on graal, in the rare times I do is that someone asks me for my help with something.

[superb]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I took a look, but found little to justify the claim that he is harrassing you. He posts criticism, yes, but as a server manager you need to be ready to accept that. Should I delete your posts when you criticise my choices as moderator? Are they examples of harrassment? They are no less so than ETD's criticisms of you or your server. Most of the fighting arises when one of you Moon Deities attack him or command him to abstain from posting in regard to N-Pulse. He is entitled to give a negative opinion, as long as it is within reasonable bounds.

Thanks Kai. That's what I've been saying all along.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I took a look, but found little to justify the claim that he is harrassing you. He posts criticism, yes, but as a server manager you need to be ready to accept that. Should I delete your posts when you criticise my choices as moderator? Are they examples of harrassment? They are no less so than ETD's criticisms of you or your server. Most of the fighting arises when one of you Moon Deities attack him or command him to abstain from posting in regard to N-Pulse. He is entitled to give a negative opinion, as long as it is within reasonable bounds.

Perhaps her criticisms of your choices as a moderator are a result of letting such situations arise.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by protagonist



Perhaps her criticisms of your choices as a moderator are a result of letting such situations arise.

heh, why do you think we are drowning in negativity on these boards......

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by protagonist
Perhaps her criticisms of your choices as a moderator are a result of letting such situations arise.

Actually, you're precisely right. She would criticise any moderator who refused to pander to her hypersensitivity and bloated self-image.

Moon Goddess, being melodramatic doesn't serve you in any way. We're not drowning, and we're barely even paddling. Most of the negativity comes from people like you who're constantly complaining. You know damn well that this isn't the place for such things.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Actually, you're precisely right. She would criticise any moderator who refused to pander to her hypersensitivity and bloated self-image.

Moon Goddess, being melodramatic doesn't serve you in any way. We're not drowning, and we're barely even paddling. Most of the negativity comes from people like you who're constantly complaining. You know damn well that this isn't the place for such things.

Then why are you allowing it? Why are there mega threads bashing PW's and Managers? Good God, start warning people and clean the boards up!

Server bashing, Staff bashing, Player bashing, Flamewars everywhere you look. You arent doing anything about it, and it is getting worse, and if you dont control it now, soon there will be nothing else on these boards because there are over 100 new PW's, and people will come straight here to complain because it will be public, and they know they can.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Then why are you allowing it? Why are there mega threads bashing PW's and Managers?

where are these 'mega threads'? lol, the only thread i see (that has been made in the past week) that was made as a negitive comment about a PW, was the one Tifa made about Griffin... and i am sure you would say that she was right to post her complaint, instead of taking it to the right people

Originally posted by Darlene159
Server bashing, Staff bashing, Player bashing, Flamewars everywhere you look.

there's a difference between negative comments, and 'bashing'. I mean, if you took all negative comments as bashing, then haven;t you bashed Kai? hasn't MG bashed Kai? aren't you then contributing the the problem you claim is 'everywhere you look'?
right now i looked arounf the forums, and the only thing CLOSE to a 'flame war' is the thread in the PW section, where MG has been insulting people. Since i joined the boards, i haven;t seen all this negativity you speak of... there WAS some threads made about UN, but those issues were taken care of... there was WarCaptain, but he was taken care of as well. I do see some negative comments, but i think those should be allowed, since, how can you have possitive change, if no-one posts negativly?

Originally posted by Darlene159
there are over 100 new PW's, and people will come straight here to complain because it will be public, and they know they can.

lol, i hate it when people exagerate like that. only around 50 of those PW's are actually new. the other 1/2 of that 100, is either servers which have not been claimed yet (named playerworld##), or they have been there since before the pay-for-a-PW thing happened (like Oasis, and ShiftingAges)
and anyways, like i said up there.. the only thread i see, where someone is complaining about a PW (made resently) is Tifa, and that issue was taken care of i think... well, there is still a debate over the use of webgif's, but her issue was taken care of.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Then why are you allowing it?

I'm not. For example, your husband has so far received two warnings for his belligerence and racism. You've managed to avoid crossing the line so far, but you edge closer all the time.

Besides, we both know what would happen if I did ban either of you. You'd run to Unixmad with tailored tales of corruption and unfair banning and convince him to reverse it.

Why are there mega threads bashing PW's and Managers?

You mean other than the ones where you've started fights with people and they've retaliated? I haven't seen many of those. There are threads that criticise servers, sure, but that's not immediate grounds for deletion. Some issues need to be made public, and silencing them would be far worse than letting the forum users see the truth about playerworlds.

I myself have deleted dozens of threads that were created purely to attack a playerworld or staff. You seem to ignore that fact because it doesn't fit into your view of me as an evil, corrupt hatemongerer, but it's real nonetheless. The forums would be one heck of a lot worse without me, as events during my vacation proved.

[MarkB]

Note: Another Moonman and Darlene vs Kaimetsu thread. Can you people not just get along? I have noticed NONE of the times Kaimetsu starts this. One of you two makes some ignorant comment to slam him.

[Darlene159]

ETD, I was talking to Kai, thanks

MarkB, you have absolutely NO right to tell someone how to act, thanks

Kai, if I do something wrong, I expect a warning just like anyone else....the fact that you allow threads saying "omg, <insert PW name her> banned me for <insert reason and/or screeny here>" or "omg, the manager of <insert PW name here> is so corrupt, look what he/she did" or "omg, <insert staff members name here> of <insert PW name here> did this and this and this"

And for your info ETD, Tifa is my friend, but yes, making that thread was against the rules (sorry Tifa )

People are proving points all over the place, everytime someone bashes a server, everytime someone bashes staff, everytime someone bashes or harrasses a player, it is allowed to go on. I myself have broken quite a few rules on here, some of them were to prove a point, and some were out of frustration, or anger, but the point is, there should have been a warning every time, and Kai, you need to stop calling people names, and making them feel stupid...they dont want to post here to be made to feel stupid, they need to feel comfortable posting here, and know that they wont be bashed or harrassed.....bad thing is that you break alot of the rules yourself, and it needs to stop. You want to shut me up by banning me off the forums, then do it. I wont shut up until I see a real effort of the rules being followed and enforced for the good of the people who post here. Trust me, the forums wont die if you disallow the server bashing threads (and dont say there have been very few or I will start copy and pasting).
Threads that turn into heavy arguements and insults, should be closed immediately (yes, I am guilty at times of being in the middle of it), not replied to by the moderator. Threads started talking about why they were banned on a PW, should be immediately deleted, same with threads started complaining about staff, or players.

I read the rules of this forum over, and over.....and you might as well delete them off of the forum because apparently they dont apply.

BTW, Kai....if I were warned or banned justly, I would complain to noone. If I felt it was unfair, then yes, you bet your butt I will say something....also, you blame me for the server bashing threads? I didnt start them, but I may be guilty for joining into the arguing, which is AGAINST THE FORUM RULES! Get it?

[DustyPorViva]

Graal is simply addictive...
The whole concept of making whatever you can imagine up if graal supports it keeps me going.

Sometimes I think ideas up and want to make them playable.

Plus I want to develope games, this seems to be a good direction.

[MarkB]

::lmao::
I seem to have forgot that seniority seems to rule on these threads--wrong. I have absolutly no right to tell anyone how to act? Kaimetsu is 1/3 your age I am assuming, and he acts more mature than you do. I wouldnt have to "tell you how to act" if you would display yourself in somewhat of a respectable manner.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by MarkB
::lmao::
I seem to have forgot that seniority seems to rule on these threads--wrong. I have absolutly no right to tell anyone how to act? Kaimetsu is 1/3 your age I am assuming, and he acts more mature than you do. I wouldnt have to "tell you how to act" if you would display yourself in somewhat of a respectable manner.

lol, I suppose you abusing other players, like that screeny of your sexual slurs and cussing that was put on the forums, is your idea of respectible?
When you learn what the word means, and actually do it, then you can talk to me about it I am done now, have a nice day

[Loriel]

Originally posted by TribulationStaff
what keeps you working on Graal?

I have no ****ing clue.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Loriel

I have no ****ing clue.

lol, ditto

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
ETD, I was talking to Kai, thanks

This is funny. Remember when you started arguing with me in the 'Lack of moderation' thread despite the fact that I was talking to Moon God and not you?

MarkB, you have absolutely NO right to tell someone how to act, thanks

But you do? Everybody is entitled to an opinion, even if it doesn't agree with yours.

Kai, if I do something wrong, I expect a warning just like anyone else....

And you'll get one, if you cross the line far enough. But you'll undoubtedly attribute it to corruption when it does arrive.

you allow threads saying "omg, <insert PW name her> banned me for <insert reason and/or screeny here>" or "omg, the manager of <insert PW name here> is so corrupt, look what he/she did" or "omg, <insert staff members name here> of <insert PW name here> did this and this and this"

Indeed? Again I ask you to give one example.

People are proving points all over the place, everytime someone bashes a server, everytime someone bashes staff, everytime someone bashes or harrasses a player, it is allowed to go on.

1) I've already pointed out the flaw in this logic. If I delete something, you don't see it anymore. How do you know it was ever there? I could delete a hundred threads every day and you wouldn't know about it.
2) If the person doesn't cross a line - and especially if they have a valid point to raise - then they are allowed to post their criticisms. I'm not going to silence them just to appease the managers' egos.

I myself have broken quite a few rules on here, some of them were to prove a point, and some were out of frustration, or anger, but the point is, there should have been a warning every time

If I gave a warning for every minor infraction then there wouldn't be any forum users left. There has to be a balance, for everybody's sake.

and Kai, you need to stop calling people names, and making them feel stupid...

Once again I ask for an example. The only time I insult people is if they start the hostilities. I never attack people for no reason.

You want to shut me up by banning me off the forums, then do it.

I think that'd be fun, but unfortunately you haven't deserved it yet. Unlike your husband, I don't ban people just because I don't like them.

I wont shut up until I see a real effort of the rules being followed and enforced for the good of the people who post here.

Everybody knows that the rules are enforced. The chaos during my absence proves the effect I have here. I'm not as punishing as you, however, because I understand that there are more shades than simply black and white. A lot of people here would've been banned if I were as strict as you'd like me to be. Would that be for their own good? Is it justifiable to ban 90% of the users for minor offenses, all for the sake of the remaining 10%? You're being ridiculous.

Trust me, the forums wont die if you disallow the server bashing threads (and dont say there have been very few or I will start copy and pasting).

If there are then I haven't seen them (I'm only one guy, y'know). I allow criticism of servers. I allow publication of important issues. I don't allow pointless bashing.

BTW, Kai....if I were warned or banned justly, I would complain to noone.

Of course, but you would never allow yourself to believe that your ban was fair or just. You would decide that it was simply another evil action from Dark Overlord Kaimetsu.

also, you blame me for the server bashing threads? I didnt start them, but I may be guilty for joining into the arguing

Except that, with your amazing powers of precognition, you can join in before the arguments have even started! No. You start many, many fights by complaining about harmless comments or the actions of other managers. In your misguided crusade to stamp out negativity, you actually make yourself one of the biggest sources thereof!

[Kaimetsu]

This debate is over, Moon Goddess. If you had anything new or interesting to raise then it might be a different story, but you're simply rehashing the same old insubstantial complaints again and again and I'm not going to let it continue. In future, observe the proper channels for such things and don't subject the forum users to your negativity.

[Darlene159]

Thanks, now kindly do the same with the other users not using proper channels, and I want to know why 2 posts of mine were deleted. If you delete peoples posts, you should at least send them a forum PM as to why

[Neoreno]

I'd have thought it was obvious. You were complaining about negative posts not being deleted, so Kaimetsu went and deleted two negative posts.

[superb]

Originally posted by Neoreno
I'd have thought it was obvious. You were complaining about negative posts not being deleted, so Kaimetsu went and deleted two negative posts.

LOL That's just awesome.

[Kaimetsu]

Kiirar basically summed it up, MGess, but I'll send you a PM explaining in more detail.

[osrs]

Improve my scripting skills make me stay on Graal.

[Shaun]

I like to see psychological reactions from other players. I also like to feel superior to other people, and I find it's easy to pick on people here.

If I wanted were truly desperate for power, I would make my own game. Oh wait...