Unixmad please enlighten us.

[Aknts]

Whats the deal with the playerworlds? Its been awhile now, please tell us what is going on sir. Its anger alot of people and alot of people who have already paid for their servers.

[NovaNET]

Indeed, I would also be interested in this aswell and wonder when angel is gonna get access to the code so she can finish the guildcp and such as she says she is qualified todo so. I'm mean at this point its like should i pay for gold and vip again? Everything that was offered has changed the new playerworld guidelines would basically void the terms in which i subscribed for my gold account and vip. Plus the orignal terms/perks were never fulfilled not after payment or even 30 days after. And if you ban me for being so blunt thats fine ill play another game that can atleast fullfill the promises they offer there players and one that gives their players what they pay for. I'm surely not the only one aggravated by this matter.

[DarkHero]

well. Unixmad probably just got home today. because i got a e-mail from graal.net that my server was approved. now i have to pay for it o.o. Well and there is about 40 more pw's now that are empty. Prolly today or tomorrow he will start putting them up.

[NovaNET]

Ill be back from vacation on the 15th im not gonna be online till then this is it.

[DarkHero]

that sucks i have to wait 5 days until the playerworld stuff gets all worked out. Nova, if you are waiting for the IP thing with unix. You could just pay for the playerworlds right now, then talk to him. Then if he syas sure then tell him the playerworlds =P

[superb]

Originally posted by DarkHero
well. Unixmad probably just got home today. because i got a e-mail from graal.net that my server was approved. now i have to pay for it o.o. Well and there is about 40 more pw's now that are empty. Prolly today or tomorrow he will start putting them up.

He got back from vacation last week.

[konidias]

Yeah, and with like... 110 servers now, I'm wondering if the new serverlist stuff is going to even work very well. I mean, according to Unix's old posts, there is only going to be like 10 out of 110 servers that are in the top list... That's pretty severe.

I'm more interested as to when the new serverlist will start... Like when the new worlds will be made public, and when the actual fun begins. (new worlds, ranking of playerworlds, replacing the worlds at the bottom of the list with new ones, etc)

[adam]

Originally posted by NovaNET
Indeed, I would also be interested in this aswell and wonder when angel is gonna get access to the code so she can finish the guildcp and such as she says she is qualified todo so. I'm mean at this point its like should i pay for gold and vip again? Everything that was offered has changed the new playerworld guidelines would basically void the terms in which i subscribed for my gold account and vip. Plus the orignal terms/perks were never fulfilled not after payment or even 30 days after. And if you ban me for being so blunt thats fine ill play another game that can atleast fullfill the promises they offer there players and one that gives their players what they pay for. I'm surely not the only one aggravated by this matter.

Indeed, You are prabably the only person who remained calm and tried to support them since you showed back up.

[TB3]

Originally posted by konidias
Yeah, and with like... 110 servers now, I'm wondering if the new serverlist stuff is going to even work very well. I mean, according to Unix's old posts, there is only going to be like 10 out of 110 servers that are in the top list... That's pretty severe.

I'm more interested as to when the new serverlist will start... Like when the new worlds will be made public, and when the actual fun begins. (new worlds, ranking of playerworlds, replacing the worlds at the bottom of the list with new ones, etc)

I have a suprize for all of that coming soon you will understand when my server comes out since all but 10 servers will be visible i am offering a nice addition for invisible ones

[TB3]

Originally posted by Aknts
Whats the deal with the playerworlds? Its been awhile now, please tell us what is going on sir. Its anger alot of people and alot of people who have already paid for their servers.

I know how that is i have been waiting around 11 days for my PW to be fixed. It was allready paid for and launched it was a failed launch though I just wanted to know what was going on with things.


It realy doesn't matter to me I just am very excited to get online and start working on things but i have beach trip thursday anyways so its not urgent or anything

Hope problem is fixed soon i know you have been realy anxious to get to work

[Mykel]

It was reccommended that each server be its own game. Flaws were found with that plan. But, I think a plan where you could pay like $5 for a year of access to only one playerworld would be awesome. You could go out and advertise for just your server.

[TB3]

Originally posted by Mykel
It was reccommended that each server be its own game. Flaws were found with that plan. But, I think a plan where you could pay like $5 for a year of access to only one playerworld would be awesome. You could go out and advertise for just your server.

And with other people allready paid for a lifetime upgrade to play on classic servers and pw's then that would pose a very large problem unless some servers wanted to be Gold servers or maybe some new type of server.

[Nick1988]

Originally posted by Mykel
It was reccommended that each server be its own game. Flaws were found with that plan. But, I think a plan where you could pay like $5 for a year of access to only one playerworld would be awesome. You could go out and advertise for just your server.

Yeah, that would be pretty cool

[SaijinGohan]

Originally posted by Mykel
It was reccommended that each server be its own game. Flaws were found with that plan. But, I think a plan where you could pay like $5 for a year of access to only one playerworld would be awesome. You could go out and advertise for just your server.

I dunno. Theres a lot of people that bounce around server to server according to what time of the day it is. :/

[konidias]

Originally posted by Mykel
It was reccommended that each server be its own game. Flaws were found with that plan. But, I think a plan where you could pay like $5 for a year of access to only one playerworld would be awesome. You could go out and advertise for just your server.

I think that's a rather stupid idea. Who wants to pay 5 bucks a year for each playerworld they play? Let's see... 100+ playerworlds, if you played a lot of them, you'd be paying 500 bucks. Also, nobody would upgrade to gold if there was only one server that you upgrade for, and if you have to be gold in order to play the playerworlds in the first place, you're just adding on additional charges.

Basically, I don't see how Graal could benefit from this. If everyone is advertising their playerworld as a seperate game, it would not only be confusing, but nobody would even know what Graal was anymore.

You can advertise for just your server now. If it gets any more detached from graal, people will think you made the engine.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by konidias


I think that's a rather stupid idea. Who wants to pay 5 bucks a year for each playerworld they play? Let's see... 100+ playerworlds, if you played a lot of them, you'd be paying 500 bucks. Also, nobody would upgrade to gold if there was only one server that you upgrade for, and if you have to be gold in order to play the playerworlds in the first place, you're just adding on additional charges.

Basically, I don't see how Graal could benefit from this. If everyone is advertising their playerworld as a seperate game, it would not only be confusing, but nobody would even know what Graal was anymore.

You can advertise for just your server now. If it gets any more detached from graal, people will think you made the engine.

Umm, I never mentioned getting rid of the current gold or vip. Just add that too it.

[ETD]

I think the $5 thing is a good idea... Koni, i think you missunderstood...

like, if you have an upgraded account... as it is now, you can not access any non-listed servers, and if all goes to plan, you can not access any servers, besides the top 10...

with this.. instead of buying VIP for $19 a year... you could pay just $5, and get access to the 1 PW you want to play, that is not on the top 10 list...

with this idea, you could even pay for access to 3 PW's for $15, and it would still be cheaper than a VIP... but if you want to play more than 3 of the non-listed worlds, then you'd want to buy a VIP, or Gold

see now? =x

because there are a LOT of my staff that would rather not pay $19 a year, to access our server... most have, or will... but still, $19 for access to 1 server is kinda a lot ( i know they get access to more, but all they want/need is the 1)

[SaijinGohan]

But say you only play that 1 special server. Would you still have to have gold?

[TB3]

Originally posted by SaijinGohan
But say you only play that 1 special server. Would you still have to have gold?

Nope thats the point the gold package lets you play all servers anyways this would just be subject to one server

[Shaun]

Let me get this straight...

In order for Player A's friend, Player B to play on Player A's server, you think the following should happen?

-Player A pays for a subscription account
-Player A pays for a server
-Player B pays for going on Player A's server

The purpose, in theory, of having Player A paying for a server is that it pays for the bandwidth and storage (although it's also paying for "setup" fees I'm sure). Having Player B would just be unjustified fees.

[TB3]

Well anyways back to the topic of this thread I paid for my server back in july and it was a failed launch. I was waiting and waiting very patiently for a reply and recieved nothing too helpful (cept Jessica helped a bit at first but then I didnt hear anything else), but i have seen alot of new servers popping up today in minutes within paying and it upset me that my problem was ignored that long and still and wasn't fixed....

[Edit] Wow fixed now that i posted about it... .. . thanks a bunch

[unixmad]

The new servers have been setup yesteday, it was long because we add to finish the new datacenter to host this servers.

I don't see why it will anger lot of people "who have already paid for their server" , all people that have already paid have receive a server weeks ago and there were only a problem with 1 server.

Originally posted by Aknts
Whats the deal with the playerworlds? Its been awhile now, please tell us what is going on sir. Its anger alot of people and alot of people who have already paid for their servers.

[unixmad]

Angel is not gonna do GuildCP because i will finish it myself, I have already post a message about this (and I known you have read it because you have replied)

Banning you is exactly what you are expecting from me, I don't read 1 thread without seeing your negative comments and offensive messages against Graal. That's not the good way for you to be a trustful people and have some responsibilities.

Originally posted by NovaNET
Indeed, I would also be interested in this aswell and wonder when angel is gonna get access to the code so she can finish the guildcp and such as she says she is qualified todo so. I'm mean at this point its like should i pay for gold and vip again? Everything that was offered has changed the new playerworld guidelines would basically void the terms in which i subscribed for my gold account and vip. Plus the orignal terms/perks were never fulfilled not after payment or even 30 days after. And if you ban me for being so blunt thats fine ill play another game that can atleast fullfill the promises they offer there players and one that gives their players what they pay for. I'm surely not the only one aggravated by this matter.

[MarkB]

unixmad..i respect you as a person, but....i mean seriously, I like graal and all...but something needs to be done...Me and spanky waited almost 2 weeks, because you up and bounced on vacation leaving no one else with access to playerworlds, I am a paying customer and that is not "customer service" if you will...

i also have a problem with stefan saying things that he will do..and never does them...christ, i have sent the guy about 10 forum pm's about numerous items on GK that were deleted from the table bug...

I just think that hiring more staff and/or maybe promoting and giving more access to those who want and wish to work is in your best interest...I personally think you should give playerworld access to Tyhm so more work can get done on them. It seems like he has done a nice load of work on them, and the Graalympics and all.

Also the whole replacing Nemesis thing...who now is in charge of the PWA?

It just seems graal is in a state of disorray(sp).
Even the forums are messed...the kingdoms kings(mods) havent been updated since day one...but oh well, just my ideas x-x

[unixmad]

Tyhm have access to everything but he can not be physicaly in Paris to Setup new servers.

Stefan and Me take 2 weeks of holidays each year, do you think it's 2 mush ? Waiting a few days to have your PlayerWorld Up and Running will not change a lot, you can still design everything offline and upload when the PlayerWorld is UP.

Now if you have request for GK, forums are not the good way to have something done, best is to open a support ticket on http://support.graalonline.com.

Originally posted by MarkB
unixmad..i respect you as a person, but....i mean seriously, I like graal and all...but something needs to be done...Me and spanky waited almost 2 weeks, because you up and bounced on vacation leaving no one else with access to playerworlds, I am a paying customer and that is not "customer service" if you will...

i also have a problem with stefan saying things that he will do..and never does them...christ, i have sent the guy about 10 forum pm's about numerous items on GK that were deleted from the table bug...

I just think that hiring more staff and/or maybe promoting and giving more access to those who want and wish to work is in your best interest...I personally think you should give playerworld access to Tyhm so more work can get done on them. It seems like he has done a nice load of work on them, and the Graalympics and all.

Also the whole replacing Nemesis thing...who now is in charge of the PWA?

It just seems graal is in a state of disorray(sp).
Even the forums are messed...the kingdoms kings(mods) havent been updated since day one...but oh well, just my ideas x-x

[mhermher]

Guys, be thankfull =/

What if Graal didn't exist, would you still whine say "omg you never make a game for us" They did make a game for us, and you complain?

Jesus, it's just 2-5 days, you can wait that, as they spent alot more on making graal...

[Minoc]

Originally posted by mhermher
Guys, be thankfull =/

What if Graal didn't exist, would you still whine say "omg you never make a game for us" They did make a game for us, and you complain?

Jesus, it's just 2-5 days, you can wait that, as they spent alot more on making graal...

I don't know anything about this particular case, but the players do have a right to complain, this isn't a freeware game..

[adam]

Originally posted by unixmad

Banning you is exactly what you are expecting from me, I don't read 1 thread without seeing your negative comments and offensive messages against Graal. That's not the good way for you to be a trustful people and have some responsibilities.

Well that is lame.

Nova has got to be one of the most supportive players I have ever seen.

Saying you have never seen him post positive comments is ridiculous.

And you HAVE been known to ban people for saying what you don't wanna hear.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by adam


Well that is lame.

Nova has got to be one of the most supportive players I have ever seen.

Saying you have never seen him post positive comments is ridiculous.

And you HAVE been known to ban people for saying what you don't wanna hear.

Yea, all he wants to do is help. He is making Graal Messenger too. Lighten up Unix.

[mhermher]

Originally posted by Minoc

I don't know anything about this particular case, but the players do have a right to complain, this isn't a freeware game..

Sure they have a right to, but.. cmon.. give em a break =/

[Questa]

Originally posted by unixmad

Banning you is exactly what you are expecting from me, I don't read 1 thread without seeing your negative comments and offensive messages against Graal. That's not the good way for you to be a trustful people and have some responsibilities.

Haven't you ever heard the phrase "The customer is always right"? So instead of banning the people that pay you, how about you actually try and do something to help speed up the process of the VIP stuff? Minoc is right when he said we should be able to complain. We pay for this game, how would you feel if you payed for a newspaper subscription and the paperboy was always late with your paper or never showed up at all? How would you feel if you called up the Newspaper and complained and they just said "You don't like the way we do things? Well no more news for you.".

[ETD]

Originally posted by Shaun
Let me get this straight...

In order for Player A's friend, Player B to play on Player A's server, you think the following should happen?

-Player A pays for a subscription account
-Player A pays for a server
-Player B pays for going on Player A's server

The purpose, in theory, of having Player A paying for a server is that it pays for the bandwidth and storage (although it's also paying for "setup" fees I'm sure). Having Player B would just be unjustified fees.

umm... i think you missed the point...
player B will have to pay either way to access player A's server...
as it is now, he will need a gold, or VIP account...

the $5 would replace that, as in, instead of making a player pay for access to ALL of the private servers, why not let them pay $5 for access to the 1 they want? you can not say it is unjustified, since the $5 would be cheaper than the $19 or more they would have to pay otherwise...

[DarkHero]

What nova is trying to do is help. He is right now trying to talk to you so he can host playerworlds with his host and other things. He is giving players FREE playerworld hosting for what? He doesnt want Graal to die or something. (lol) he is making Graal Messenger and he is giving it to people who he has upgraded playerworlds for. And he is giving domains to the people he has upgraded. He is trying so hard =P.

ok sorry im done.

[Tseng]

To all the people hailing Nova,

Nova was once upon a time a nice, good person.

Now he appears to be wanting power and frustrated that he does not have it. All of his recent threads reflect this, and I believe that is what unixmad was commenting on. His post in this thread was belligerent, offensive, and downright mean. It was practically a challenge to unixmad of "ban me!".

They've fulfilled their promises - and more. Perhaps some of you forget the 6 months free gold access which VIP got, or haven't seen that VIPs can play 3.0 online now. They're busy people who have to do a lot of work - I witness several (but not all) of the things Stefan does on debug; he's frequently busy, and he's always bothered by people wanting things from him. I'm guilty of bothering him too, so I can't complain too much about that; but I can complain about these posts which are nothing short of attacks on Stefan and Unixmad. They want these new things done as much as we do, probably even more than we do.

Considering how busy they are, and some of you attack them for taking a small vacation once a year? That's shameful. They need a break sometimes - one can only imagine how stressed out Stefan must be with all the things he does. Heck, before Stefan left on vacation he was doing nothing but work until the very last minute. Some of you don't see this, some of you choose not to, but the administrators DO work, and considering that they don't make a whole lot of profits from graal, they are doing it more for your benefit than their own.

So, to all of you people criticizing Unixmad and Stefan: they are working hard. If you don't want to see it, that's your problem, but don't bring your own stupidity or ignorance here.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Tseng

They've fulfilled their promises - and more.

*****.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
I witness several (but not all) of the things Stefan does on debug

Stefan may do a lot of work on debug, for Kingdoms, but (personally) i really don't care... i hate kingdoms (this is just my opinion) kingdoms (for me) is not fun, and graal would be the same for me, if that server was never put up... actually, if it was never put up, then they would have more time for the classic servers... but that's besides the point, i know a lot of people like kingdoms, and more power to them, it's just that i think some people forget us classic players... we DO pay... maybe not as much as the kingdoms players, but still, a lot of classic players have gotten VIP, to post, and at least have upgraded once, which is $38 right there that they have paid...

anyways, sorry for going off topic... I do not think the people of graal would be AS angry, if they did not promise things they are not able to do... if Unix says something like "it'll be done in 3 days" then it better be done in 3 days... I don;t care if there are problems or anything, because that is for them to deal with, they gave us a time, and they FAILED to meet their own deadline. If Unix and Stefan would just give more realistic timelines, of when things would get done, then we would be happy, and if things got done early, then we would be even happier. telling the people of graal that something will be done soon might be a good temporary solution, but in the long run, it just makes things worse if they are not done when they were supposed to be.

sorry if this post is harsh, but i don;t think i insulted anyone, or said anything offencive in this post... anyways, in short, i feel that the classic players are sometimes neglected, and that Unix and Stefan should get things done when they say they will be done, that way people will not be as mad.

[Milkdude99]

You guys sure aren't making any "brownie points" with Unixmad and Stefan by whining and complaining. I still don't have my cPanel but you don't see me complaining about that, I expect it will come sooner or later when things settle down. You guys take a chill pill, you power hungry Mongols will get your day in the sun.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ETD

umm... i think you missed the point...
player B will have to pay either way to access player A's server...
as it is now, he will need a gold, or VIP account...

the $5 would replace that, as in, instead of making a player pay for access to ALL of the private servers, why not let them pay $5 for access to the 1 they want? you can not say it is unjustified, since the $5 would be cheaper than the $19 or more they would have to pay otherwise...

Oh, my apologies. I thought the $5 was on top of everything else.

Back on topic:

Graal Online is now a business. As a business, it is responsible for keeping the proper amount of people employed to meet the needs of the customers. Sure, Stefan and Unixmad are working hard, but do they have to pay anybody else the money they make off Graal (besides Taxes)?

I don't see what good "brownie points" are with Stefan or Unixmad unless I happened to live in Paris and wanted a job.

[Andy0687]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
You guys sure aren't making any "brownie points" with Unixmad and Stefan by whining and complaining

im sure they dont care either, i had upgraded my account for some of the extra features and stuff, but the main feature is blowing another 100 dollars on a PW that has a 1/110 chance (from what i read) of being public, and people actually enjoying it, hmm, what a bonus!

You guys take a chill pill, you power hungry Mongols will get your day in the sun.

wrong...

[Darlene159]

blowing another 100 dollars on a PW that has a 1/110 chance (from what i read) of being public, and people actually enjoying it, hmm

This is what happens when kiddies dont read stuff...much like they dont read the terms of use, graal rules, or forum rules....reading things typed sure does benefit people sometimes, huh? The process was very clear in Unixmad's post on hosting, but all some of you could think of was getting the PW online....

I applaud Unixmad and Stefan for what they have done, they have accomplished a hell of alot in a few years. So, stuff happens and things dont get done right on the exact day they say it will...big whoop. So some people will have to wait a few more days to get their PW up....big whoop. I agree that maybe the vacations might have been at a bad time for us graalians, but it certainly was well deserved.

You all need to learn to have patience, I am a paying customer as well, but I also understand that there is hardly anything in life that goes as planned, ever.