Closing a server

[DustyPorViva]

Sorry If this may seem as a burden, but I wanted to bring this up and clarify:

As some may know, Tifa, owner of Doomsday, wanted to quit Graal, and take DD with her, knowing it expired in good manner.

So in order for her to quit peacefully, she wants to take DD down.

BUT, Stefan told her it has to be a payed server in order for it to be taken down?

Why exactly would you have to pay for a server if you want to close it? I may be missing something here, so please enlighten me.

Tifa wants to leave Graal, she can not take the community, but if she wants to leave now, she has to give DD to someone.
There is no one she believes is worth to take ownership of DD.

I guess the main thing I am directing here is the whole subject of paying to close your server down?

[Tseng]

Far as I know, unixmad already authorized its shutting-down.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DustyPorViva
BUT, Stefan told her it has to be a payed server in order for it to be taken down?

Why exactly would you have to pay for a server if you want to close it? I may be missing something here, so please enlighten me.

I empathise with her and understand her decision, but the fact is that the server does not belong to her.

[TifaKhan]

ok so i have no say in this at all?
Angel assured me Doomsday would be deleted, everything gone, now i'm being told i have no say in it?
Ok then please delete my goodbye threads, i'm staying.
I wont stand by and watch all our hard work go to some dumb UC server or given to some jerk like Zenko who proved he only wanted power and was as corrupt as anything.
Theres whole logs of what has happened the last 24 hours on our crappy Doomsday Forums, but i <3 them.
Until someone tells me what the hell is going on, i'm staying as the rightful Manager of Doomsday.
I did register it and i was going to pay for it and i dont understand why i have no say in it.
Viva la Doomsday

true friends stab in the front says:
heh all i wanted was to be free of graal and shut dd down quietly
Nate | rar says:
yea
Nate | rar says:
not leave it to zenko or agret
Nate | rar says:
or some retard
true friends stab in the front says:
no

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
ok so i have no say in this at all?

Look at it from GraalOnline's perspective. Lots of people enjoy Doomsday and, perhaps, even upgrade to play it. Would deleting it be a good business move, if they thought that they might be able to find a replacement manager? Would it be a good move in the eyes of the players?

Please don't misinterpret me - I understand your feelings and would want to do the same thing. I'm just trying to ensure that people consider all the sides to this issue.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Look at it from GraalOnline's perspective. Lots of people enjoy Doomsday and, perhaps, even upgrade to play it. Would deleting it be a good business move, if they thought that they might be able to find a replacement manager? Would it be a good move in the eyes of the players?

Please don't misinterpret me - I understand your feelings and would want to do the same thing. I'm just trying to ensure that people consider all the sides to this issue.

*sigh* I do understand Kai, but how can anyone just pluck someone and say, hey you can run DD?
I put my heart and soul into it , just like all the others did.
Its not just me , me ,me, i know that, its everyone, but this hurts.
So basically their saying all those servers out there that are paid for, if the Manager wants to leave and they dont believe that anyone deserves it they have no say in what happens?
Thats so wrong.
What i truly dont understand, is after i talked to you, Angel came on , said she was talking to Unixmad, and that it was all settled.
Doomsday would be closed down in one week, the levels deleted, never to rise again.
Now Stefan turns round and says something else.
Those two seriously need to talk.
I need to know where i stand.
Until i do, i remain a sad Manager.

[Minoc]

Why don't you pick someone to replace you instead? :O

[w3dg1tz8]

Originally posted by Minoc
Why don't you pick someone to replace you instead? :O

Well the person who was going to replace her got fired.

[adam]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Look at it from GraalOnline's perspective. Lots of people enjoy Doomsday and, perhaps, even upgrade to play it. Would deleting it be a good business move, if they thought that they might be able to find a replacement manager? Would it be a good move in the eyes of the players?

Please don't misinterpret me - I understand your feelings and would want to do the same thing. I'm just trying to ensure that people consider all the sides to this issue.

Aha, this is why Kai doesn't script much online, if he does he knows i'ts not his anymore.

Hmm.. what would they do if Doomsday suddenly crashed got it's levels deleted and all i'ts npcs and people were warped to a magical level that said Under Construction for the next 10 years.

[Admins]

I don't know where those rumours are always coming from.
I only said that Doomsday is currently not a pay server and removing it is not as trivial, other staff might have put work into it too and don't want to see it dieing. If we close it we should at least speak about if someone else can make a new project based on parts of the current Doomsday, or if parts of it can be released to the public so that the work put in it is not completely lost (e.g. putting scripts on graal.net as code snippet).

[w3dg1tz8]

Originally posted by Stefan
I don't know where those rumours are always coming from.
I only said that Doomsday is currently not a pay server and removing it is not as trivial, other staff might have put work into it too and don't want to see it dieing. If we close it we should at least speak about if someone else can make a new project based on parts of the current Doomsday, or if parts of it can be released to the public so that the work put in it is not completely lost (e.g. putting scripts on graal.net as code snippet).

Does it matter how many scripts or levels?

[adam]

Originally posted by Stefan
I don't know where those rumours are always coming from.
I only said that Doomsday is currently not a pay server and removing it is not as trivial, other staff might have put work into it too and don't want to see it dieing. If we close it we should at least speak about if someone else can make a new project based on parts of the current Doomsday, or if parts of it can be released to the public so that the work put in it is not completely lost (e.g. putting scripts on graal.net as code snippet).

Well I made all the really impressive scripts so hey. I"ll just work for you on Debug you can let me play with the new engine and we'll call it even?


By the way, These things get started through gossip, exageration and mis-interpretation.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by adam
Aha, this is why Kai doesn't script much online, if he does he knows i'ts not his anymore.

Nah, I know that Stefan is honorable. I don't worry about anybody being allowed to use my stuff without permission.

The reality in the Doomsday situation is that Tifa didn't make all of Doomsday. It's a group effort, to which people have dedicated hundreds of hours. It's also a place where people spend hours having fun. Is it necessarily fair to delete it because of one person's feelings?

I would want the same thing in Tifa's position, but I don't know if it would be right to grant it. It depends on so many factors.

[adam]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Nah, I know that Stefan is honorable. I don't worry about anybody being allowed to use my stuff without permission.

The reality in the Doomsday situation is that Tifa didn't make all of Doomsday. It's a group effort, to which people have dedicated hundreds of hours. It's also a place where people spend hours having fun. Is it necessarily fair to delete it because of one person's feelings?

I would want the same thing in Tifa's position, but I don't know if it would be right to grant it. It depends on so many factors.

Hmm yes. I see your point there.

Many have put work in Doomsday. Many should decide if it is to be closed or not.

Kinda like your company going out of business and losing your job? except you don't get paid for this. You pay to do it.

[Lyndzey]

Tifa, I know you love it, but so do a ton of the other staff and players.

I have worked on PWs before, and I know a lot of people put hard work into it. You shouldn't put all that work into nothing just because you don't want it to be run into the ground.

I think it would be better if you had the globals keep a close watch on DD instead of getting it shut down...

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Stefan
I don't know where those rumours are always coming from.
I only said that Doomsday is currently not a pay server and removing it is not as trivial, other staff might have put work into it too and don't want to see it dieing. If we close it we should at least speak about if someone else can make a new project based on parts of the current Doomsday, or if parts of it can be released to the public so that the work put in it is not completely lost (e.g. putting scripts on graal.net as code snippet).

Ok so everyone misunderstood you, but theres something missing here, its called:
C.O.M.M.U.N.I.C.A.T.I.O.N
(sorry)
But see, Angel told me Unixmad gave us one week and then it would be closed down, and levels deleted, never to see light of day again.
Forgive my bluntness, but dont you think that maybe someone who has loved a server as much as i have for the last two years, would know if there was anyone worthy to give it to?
Because among my staff, the few that might be worthy dont want to stay after i leave.
So i didnt have much choice.
And the one i fired sure as heck wasnt worthy, he admitted to being a two faced backstabber.
Heres what happened after you logged off Rc:

*Stefan: cya
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): peace
RC disconnected: Stefan
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): *stabs glory*
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): talk about two faced
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): hehe
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): rofl
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): XD
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): WHo?
*Agret: XD
*Agret: lol im slow
*w3dg1tz8: I wonder who's not going to have a job when Tifa gets back.
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): yes you are
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): he
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): no one is
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): Stefan is kewl
*Agret: Well since dd isn't a pay server
*w3dg1tz8: We'll see about that ZeNKo.
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): Lmao, we all arn't gonna have one soon anyway
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): XD
*Agret: it means tifa'll have to pay to get it taken down lol
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): w3d, we are all jobless in a week
*w3dg1tz8: She said she's willing to do that.
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): call w3d glory ;o
*Agret: ooooo
*w3dg1tz8: ono im glory who gives a flying **** azreil
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): ;p
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): w3d who wer you calling immiture?
*Agret: Tifa told me that the reason why she wants it shutdown and not passed to me or zenko is beacuse we're both corrupt
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): pay to shut something down on a game. Thats kinda funny.
ZeNKo (Co-Manager): LOL
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): XD!
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): w3d answer me
XinLegendaire_GP (RC): who wer you calling immiture?
*Agret: lol yay, corrupt!
*Agret: Saga emailed stefan apparently, I bet he'll get the email in a year or so
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): lmao yeah XD
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): as bad as you huh agret?
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): ;P
*Agret: also I have all the levels for dd saved >=)
*Agret: and all the weapons
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): I do too
*Agret: and all the scripts
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): ;D
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): got the levels ;p
*Agret: You dont have every folder
Azreil_Levels Team (RC): and the gifs

Great staff huh

ok well i agree with everyone, i know DD was a group effort began by Saga,SkyKnight,Jubei and onwards, its not just me, so i will move on and look into doing...something...finding someone.. worthy.
heh

(heres what my best friend thought)

you done more then anyone, how many levels you fixed, linked, stuff you've uploaded, plans you carried out, hackers you've banned, corrupt staff you've fired, the hard decisions you've had to endure, you should own DD fully for all what you've done

[syltburk]

Originally posted by TifaKhan

Wasnt this obvious?

[Lyndzey]

I can see why they are backstabbing you.

When you take something that they put a lot of work into away from them, it is very unlikely that they will still respect you and not be upset with you.

[syltburk]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
I can see why they are backstabbing you.

When you take something that they put a lot of work into away from them, it is very unlikely that they will still respect you and not be upset with you.

lyndzey, im sorry to say this, but her staff team is the most cold lying people who dont know what respect mean,
90% of the DD staff team are not my freinds, there is a reason

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
I can see why they are backstabbing you.

When you take something that they put a lot of work into away from them, it is very unlikely that they will still respect you and not be upset with you.

Heh ok Lyndzey, i just wish you had been on RC for the past two years and seen who did the most work there.
Azreil is a drug taking staff abusive person who many will support that claim, he has quit/been fired more times than i can count.
Zenko was only made Co Manager a week ago.


But see, it's not a team decision
heres why
whoever actually DID do work, has either quit graal, quit for another server or was fired for corruptness, so the only people left, are the ones that make the decision on what happens to it, and a majority of the ones left, agree to shut it down
Unholy Paladin, dusty, glory, chaos all agree
and myself.

[Kaimetsu]

So, w3dg1tz8 is Glory. I guess he/she is evading ban, then.

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
So, w3dg1tz8 is Glory. I guess he/she is evading ban, then.

Ahahahahaha, glory... w3dg1tz... anyways. I think tifa should have the authority of being able to have the decesion on shutting it down or not. Without Tifa, Doomsday would atleast have passed through 5 managers, probably be a private server now, aswell as sucky.

[marcoR]

delete all of the files that make this doomsday, make a bran new dooms day under your control, make sure it's nothing like the doomsday we know today, and leave it with some poor sucker to pay the bill.

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by marcoR
delete all of the files that make this doomsday, make a bran new dooms day under your control, make sure it's nothing like the doomsday we know today, and leave it with some poor sucker to pay the bill.

I know for a fact that someone, or multipule people have backups, and will just reupload all.

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by TifaKhan


Heh ok Lyndzey, i just wish you had been on RC for the past two years and seen who did the most work there.
Azreil is a drug taking staff abusive person who many will support that claim, he has quit/been fired more times than i can count.
Zenko was only made Co Manager a week ago.


But see, it's not a team decision
heres why
whoever actually DID do work, has either quit graal, quit for another server or was fired for corruptness, so the only people left, are the ones that make the decision on what happens to it, and a majority of the ones left, agree to shut it down
Unholy Paladin, dusty, glory, chaos all agree
and myself.

Then why didn't you get rid of Azreil? If he has quit or been fired so many times, he is not capable of the job. You are the manager, you have full control over everyone.

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


Then why didn't you get rid of Azreil? If he has quit or been fired so many times, he is not capable of the job. You are the manager, you have full control over everyone.

Very true, anyways.. If tifa wants it shutdown, she should do it. Unless I pay for her and then shut it down with her.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Lyndzey


Then why didn't you get rid of Azreil? If he has quit or been fired so many times, he is not capable of the job. You are the manager, you have full control over everyone.

heh, I can answer that one.....because almost all the people who are actually good at making levels, scripts, gfx, etc are corrupt, they think they can do whatever they want because they are needed

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by Darlene159
heh, I can answer that one.....because almost all the people who are actually good at making levels, scripts, gfx, etc are corrupt, they think they can do whatever they want because they are needed

But darlene, you have to remeber, you just can't live with the same people all the time. If hes corrupt, he gets fired, If he thinks he can do whatever he wants, he can be fired. Theres alot of others out there, that I can assure that arent all bossy, get pissy for no reason, that actually do work, and are active, and not as corrupt as others may be, maby not corrupt at all...

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by duzzel_Limit


But darlene, you have to remeber, you just can't live with the same people all the time. If hes corrupt, he gets fired, If he thinks he can do whatever he wants, he can be fired. Theres alot of others out there, that I can assure that arent all bossy, get pissy for no reason, that actually do work, and are active, and not as corrupt as others may be, maby not corrupt at all...

yes, and how many PW's are there? There are not enough good staff to spread among all the servers, I can assure you.

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by Darlene159
yes, and how many PW's are there? There are not enough good staff to spread among all the servers, I can assure you.

I understand, however alot of people dont have gold, theres over 100 servers, and like 20 or less in which you can be staff in. Blah

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by duzzel_Limit


I understand, however alot of people dont have gold, theres over 100 servers, and like 20 or less in which you can be staff in. Blah

20 is still alot with the few truly gifted, non-corrupt staff there are

[duzzel_Limit]

Originally posted by Darlene159
20 is still alot with the few truly gifted, non-corrupt staff there are

Yea, your right, but oh well, what can we do.. corrupt, noncorrupt, fired, nofired, lets just not change the thread topic now. lol..

[TifaKhan]

At this point i'm hoping to either train someone to take over, or , if its true Saga would like it back, i hope he will contact me.
In the end i only want what is best.

[zell12]

I shut down Mithica, so why can't she shut down DoomsDay? o.O

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
Azreil is a drug taking staff abusive person who many will support that claim, he has quit/been fired more times than i can count.

I'm sorry, but someone has to ask the obvious. Why is he still there then?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by zell12
I shut down Mithica, so why can't she shut down DoomsDay? o.O

Ahh that is the question of the year but there can be many reasons for that. Tifa contact me so I can help you with Doomsday.

[email protected]

[w3dg1tz8]

Originally posted by Judge_S

I'm sorry, but someone has to ask the obvious. Why is he still there then?

He's fired now, I feel he shouldn't have been staff in the first place. I mean UP banned him for sexual harassment, and then WarLord (woah, won't even go into details about that), unbanned him and in the ban reason it said "**** w3. Unbanned - WarLord". So I'm glad they're both gone.

[zell12]

Warlord is great at scripting and gfx, but his attitude stinks.

[w3dg1tz8]

Originally posted by zell12
Warlord is great at scripting and gfx, but his attitude stinks.

I agree with that, I'm sure he's a great developer but he needs to fix his attitude and change the way he does some things.