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unixmad · #1 07-17-2007, 03:50 PM

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Twinny · #2 07-17-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

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Forums as well

See ya later guys

Crow · #3 07-17-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Forums as well

See ya later guys

Exactly what I thought. I will not buy a gold subscription just to use the forums o.O

Darlene159 · #4 07-17-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Exactly what I thought. I will not buy a gold subscription just to use the forums o.O

Well, it makes sense, since the forums are included with Graal, and are for Graal. Why wouldn't it be included in a package, instead of seperate. That would be silly.

Twinny · #5 07-17-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Well, it makes sense, since the forums are included with Graal, and are for Graal. Why wouldn't it be included in a package, instead of seperate. That would be silly.

I was kinda hoping that even when my ability to dev and my vip site were taken away, i'd still be able to help in the forums. Not anymore

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Darlene159 · #6 07-17-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

I was kinda hoping that even when my ability to dev and my vip site were taken away, i'd still be able to help in the forums. Not anymore

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*shrugs* It doesn't cost that much to upgrade.

DustyPorViva · #7 07-17-2007, 04:43 PM

This is a dumb decision. I could understand trials not getting access, but why not classic accounts? The forums were one of the few things left that Graal had going for it, for people to look forward to.

cbk1994 · #8 07-17-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

This is a dumb decision. I could understand trials not getting access, but why not classic accounts? The forums were one of the few things left that Graal had going for it, for people to look forward to.

unixmad needs more $$$

Of course, this won't bring any money in, noone will pay for these forums, and graal is hardly worth paying for anymore.

Twinny · #9 07-17-2007, 04:55 PM

Just put some ads on the forums that show if you don't have active gold.

Crow · #10 07-17-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Just put some ads on the forums that show if you don't have active gold.

Good idea, I could live with that.

Edit: If you want to make money with that to buy new vB licences...either buy a lifetime one, or use a free forum software (phpBB as an example. It's not bad! I know, it can be pretty hard to transfer all the posts etc. over to another forum, but it's possible.)

unixmad · #11 07-17-2007, 04:58 PM

Do you think servers/bandwidth/licencing/developement/admin time is free? No it is not.

If graal is not worst paying then what are you doing here?

Crow · #12 07-17-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think servers/bandwidth/licencing/developement/admin time is free? No it is not.

If graal is not worst paying then what are you doing here?

I'm part of the community, though I cannot be anymore in like...155 days. Well, atleast I cant use the forum anymore then.

unixmad · #13 07-17-2007, 05:06 PM

If you are part of any community and you don't renew membership then you can't go any more on meeting, so why do you want graal to be different and let access to old member that don't renew membership?

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I'm part of the community, though I cannot be anymore in like...155 days. Well, atleast I cant use the forum anymore then.

Crono · #14 07-17-2007, 05:11 PM

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If you are part of any community and you don't renew membership then you can't go any more on meeting, so why do you want graal to be different and let access to old member that don't renew membership?

You're basically telling people who no longer wish to upgrade to **** off regardless of how long they've played Graal or how much they have contributed.

Oh well, I'm with you Crow.

Darlene159 · #15 07-17-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

You're basically telling people who no longer wish to upgrade to **** off regardless of how long they've played Graal or how much they have contributed.

Oh well, I'm with you Crow.

That's rediculous. The forums should be including in the subscription to play Graal, not be free for those who do not wish to play/work for Graal anymore.

unixmad · #16 07-17-2007, 05:19 PM

I will probably try that when i go this evening buy my bread:

I am buying each day bread since 7 years so why should i pay for bread any more?

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Originally Posted by Gerami

You're basically telling people who no longer wish to upgrade to **** off regardless of how long they've played Graal or how much they have contributed.

Oh well, I'm with you Crow.

Crow · #17 07-17-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

If you are part of any community and you don't renew membership then you can't go any more on meeting, so why do you want graal to be different and let access to old member that don't renew membership?

Actually, I'm also right now, part of 12-14 other communitys, and I will always stay part of them, because theres no membership that has to be renewed.

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Oh well, I'm with you Crow.

<3

cbk1994 · #18 07-17-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

Do you think servers/bandwidth/licencing/developement/admin time is free? No it is not.

If graal is not worst paying then what are you doing here?

I don't recall saying it was free. I said that noone is going to pay just for the forums, and that, to me, Graal is no longer worth paying for. I have a subscription, so I have every right to be here. So 'what are you doing here?' was rather mean.

Perhaps some of your development time could go into Universal Graal for Mac?

I am sorry, I am quite upset that so much time has been put into v5 for Windows, yet almost none into the Mac client. Even though we've paid for it, it'd cost to much to get a cheap Intel Mac to give us what we paid for?

Sorry again,
Chris Zakuto

DustyPorViva · #19 07-17-2007, 04:59 PM

Exactly, it's not like this is going to net in the cash. The forums are pretty slow as is, I can only imagine what it'll be like once only gold members have access.

kia345 · #20 07-17-2007, 05:17 PM

Unixmad wants money, not awesome people. Which is ok, this is his Graal (kinda), we're just playing it.

I'mma miss all the cool people this idea killed off.

zephirot · #21 07-17-2007, 05:19 PM

Wow, now you will need gold to post in the forums to post?

Bye everyone,I had fun here.

kia345 · #22 07-17-2007, 05:21 PM

*cough*

Darlene159 · #23 07-17-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

*cough*

Pretty sure VIP is no more? That needs to be changed

Crono · #24 07-17-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Pretty sure VIP is no more? That needs to be changed

I'm on VIP and posting fine for now.

cbk1994 · #25 07-17-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm on VIP and posting fine for now.

VIP is a thing of the past. Actually, VIP never happened. We never got to beta test v5, we never got any of the things we were SUPPOSED to get with VIP, and now it has turned into a Playerworlds Gold Subscription.

Darlene159 · #26 07-17-2007, 05:28 PM

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I'm on VIP and posting fine for now.

Because you already had the upgrade, and part of VIP is forum access I believe. No one got what they already had taken away. Your subscription just turned into the playerworld gold subscription I think.

DustyPorViva · #27 07-17-2007, 05:36 PM

Maybe classic servers should pay to keep themselves up. I mean... a lot of them barely have players, are inactive, dead and what not. As for servers on classic that do get in players, maybe they could get donations, or when players upgrade their account, have an option to put a little of it towards their favorite server.
Either way, I think what everyone is getting at is that the forums aren't really worth upgrading. It was just a place for some people who didn't really have interest in playing Graal, to still stick around, help, keep in touch. Hell, I'm sure some people would be happy if you kept the forums free for classic if you allow some sort of donation system. Even though some of us on the forums don't play Graal any more, doesn't mean we can't help others.
EDIT: A lot of forums use advertisements that aren't annoying. They simply just implant a post somewhere in the thread that can easily be skipped over if needed. I never minded it, and it seems to work for a lot of forums.

cbk1994 · #28 07-17-2007, 05:38 PM

Okay, this is going to be my last post on the subject.

I stand by what I said in my previous posts. I'm not turning away from that.

However, unixmad, Darlene, I'm sorry for getting so mad. I've stated my views, and you've rejected them.

I'm very upset about Graal for Mac, and I'm very upset about several other things that are happening to Graal v5.

So, I am sorry.

I am not going to post again on this topic.

Chris Zakuto

Darlene159 · #29 07-17-2007, 05:43 PM

You guys can argue all you want, but the fact is that these forums are a part of Graal, and should be a part of the subscriptions, not free for everyone. If you want to be a part of the Graal community, all of it, then upgrade, if not, don't....I hate trolls, and I hate people who come on these forums only to belittle Graal because they can. Good riddence to those people, and hello to people who actually want to be a part of the graal community.

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That the game has lasted so long without people paying for every little thing.

Mute point, this isn't Runescape.

Crow · #30 07-17-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

You guys can argue all you want, but the fact is that these forums are a part of Graal, and should be a part of the subscriptions, not free for everyone. If you want to be a part of the Graal community, all of it, then upgrade, if not, don't....I hate trolls, and I hate people who come on these forums only to belittle Graal because they can. Good riddence to those people, and hello to people who actually want to be a part of the graal community.

I want to, but as I already stated, I wont pay to join a damn forum.
Yea, I guess I almost forgot that you are actually also administrating the Graal forums. But your logic is dumb

kia345 · #31 07-17-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

You guys can argue all you want, but the fact is that these forums are a part of Graal, and should be a part of the subscriptions, not free for everyone. If you want to be a part of the Graal community, all of it, then upgrade, if not, don't....I hate trolls, and I hate people who come on these forums only to belittle Graal because they can. Good riddence to those people, and hello to people who actually want to be a part of the graal community.

You're right, classic accounts can in no way improve Graal in any way. They certainly can't hang out on the forums and do good deeds, they're all evil and do nothing but attempt to destroy Graal. Only Gold accounts are good. They are the Aryan of Graal.

Darlene159 · #32 07-17-2007, 05:52 PM

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I want to, but as I already stated, I wont pay to join a damn forum.

Then don't. If you don't want the other stuff Graal has to offer, see ya.

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If you really want more time to play the game, with all due respect, maybe stepping down is a solution. I'm not suggesting it, just saying if you'd rather have more time to play, don't blame trolls, you took on the responsibility.
A lot of people here do nothing else Graal related but browse the forums, so it wouldn't be out of their way.

Honestly though, the whole subscribed=less trolls is a terrible solution. It's like saying kick out everyone in school who has less than a "B" average will get rid of troublemakers... sure, but not sensible.
Maybe if the forums weren't so strict in terms of rules, you'd have more time to actually play :/

I happen to enjoy my job, and really enjoy helping the community, and playing the game. I can do all of it. There is no need to allow trolls to post, and this will limit it quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by kia345

You're right, classic accounts can in no way improve Graal in any way. They certainly can't hang out on the forums and do good deeds, they're all evil and do nothing but attempt to destroy Graal. Only Gold accounts are good. They are the Aryan of Graal.

I didn't say all classic accounts are trolls, but many people who do not play graal anymore do troll these forums, and offer nothing positive.

kia345 · #33 07-17-2007, 05:56 PM

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I didn't say all classic accounts are trolls, but many people who do not play graal anymore do troll these forums, and offer nothing positive.

Please show me the delinquents with classic accounts that have done something evil within a two weeks of this date.

On top of that, show me people with saintly Gold accounts who help our community daily.

Unless what you mean by 'positive' is 'paying customer' and trolling means 'I paid once but I live off food stamps and can't pay to enjoy this game more' then tell me that and I'll shut up right now.

Darlene159 · #34 07-17-2007, 05:59 PM

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Please show me the delinquents with classic accounts that have done something evil within a two weeks of this date.

On top of that, show me people with saintly Gold accounts who help our community daily.

I could show you plenty of trolling on these forums, but I wont.

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If what you mean by 'positive' is 'paying customer' and trolling means 'I paid once but I live off food stamps and can't pay to enjoy this game more' then tell me that and I'll shut up right now.

Not even worth arguing with you if you don't know what positive, and trolling means.

Seriously, I have alot to do, and I really can't explain anything any more without repeated myself like I always have to do with some of you people. You can go back and re-read what I have said if you like, but I really don't have time to keep going over it. It's really simple.

Sam · #35 07-17-2007, 05:58 PM

Why do you people cannot realize that internet services are not free in general?

You are here on a forum for a p2p game. The forum and all other services are part of the game so it's self-evident you have to be a member to use it.
Maybe the bread thing is not the best, but look around and you find a lot other things, like a golf court.
To use it you have to be member or you must pay as guest.
It costs money to run services and that's fact.

I see you guys showing the community your cool cars, your iPods, iPhones, cell phones, you tell us about your drinks and your parties and your holidays and last not least your hypersuperdooper computers. Now tell me you get all this stuff for free.
Sorry, but you make me laugh.

DustyPorViva · #36 07-17-2007, 06:39 PM

Should I? Because you're not understanding SOME PEOPLE ENJOY THE FORUMS MORE THAN THE GAME.
We enjoy helping others with their problems in Graal, I enjoy making graphics for others to use. Some people like helping others with their scripting problems. It doesn't mean we want to play the damn game. The only way to get what we actually enjoy, the forums, we have to pay for a game that we don't want to really play.
Just because we don't play the game doesn't mean we're not helping Graal.

haunter · #37 07-17-2007, 07:21 PM

I understand the reasoning behind this. Though I dont think it's going to generate any more subscriptions. Especially from the "Classic Account" community.

MysticX2X · #38 07-17-2007, 07:26 PM

Eh i always reupgrade my VIP or now playerworlds gold subscription, its not too much money. So no big for me.

DustyPorViva · #39 07-17-2007, 09:30 PM

Yes, none of us have an interest in Graal anymore. We're just all here helping with scripts, graphics and so on because we don't have an interest. Just because we don't pay for a GAME subscription doesn't mean we're not interested in the game forums.

MysticX2X · #40 07-17-2007, 09:42 PM

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Yes, none of us have an interest in Graal anymore. We're just all here helping with scripts, graphics and so on because we don't have an interest. Just because we don't pay for a GAME subscription doesn't mean we're not interested in the game forums.

Well the graal forums is a feature you get with paying for your graal account. If you dont want to, then thats your problem. The forums arent a right, a privillege.

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Yes, none of us have an interest in Graal anymore. We're just all here helping with scripts, graphics and so on because we don't have an interest.

Are you really trying to intimidate me with that? My point stands true that you really dont have an interest in graal if you dont wish to upgrade from time to time.