Intel Mac

[cbk1994]

Hello.

As of about one years ago, Apple released plans to sell Apple computers with Intel processors inside them.

Around this time, Stefan shared hints that with the new Intel Macs, there would be a version of Graal for the new Macs that would run smoother, and have developmental tools that Mac has lacked since the release of the Mac client for Graal.

One such post is here: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=62482

All versions of Graal, including the now released v5, have been created specifically for the PowerPC computers. Stefan promised that there would be a tools once the Intel Macs were created.

Currently, there are no tools for the Mac. In fact, there is no client for the Intel mac.

For Intel Macs to run PowerPC programs, they use Rosetta emulation technology. This emulation, as all emulation, is far slower than if it were running natively.

Universal applications can run both on PowerPC and on Intel Macs at full speeds. On most applications, not much is needed to port an application from PowerPC to Intel. As stated, Universal applications run on PowerPC and Intel macs, so in that case you only need to make one version.

As you have said that there would be Intel Mac versions of Graal, I was much expecting v5 to have this breakthrough. However, v5 is also PowerPC, and runs actually slower than v4 did on Mac. v5 runs faster on my older iBook G4, but it is still rather slow (the iBook has bad specifications).

I would really like to see a Universal version of Graal v5 made available to players, as well as development tools. The development tools I would like to see are:

1. Remote Control for Mac. The scripted RC is nothing like the normal one, and it is impossible to script on.
2. Graal Shop for Mac.
3. Graal Level Editor for Mac. Please do not say the online one, because I'm quite sick of hearing this. This was supposed to be finished by Christmas of 2005. Two years ago.

So, can one of the admins please answer all of the following questions:
1) Will there be a Universal Mac version of Graal ever?
2) If so, when?
3) Will there ever be a version of Graal for Mac that has all of the features features that Windows has?
4) Will there ever be Mac development tools?

Thank you for reading this,
Chris Zakuto
Developer

[UberModeKappa]

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by UberModeKappa

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5.

Yah
Even on PPC, it's not that much faster.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by UberModeKappa

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5.

Haven't received reports from Intel Mac users yet. It is slower than v4? That's quite strange - is it slower on all severs, or only on Classic servers, or only on Kingdoms/Zone ?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Haven't received reports from Intel Mac users yet. It is slower than v4? That's quite strange - is it slower on all severs, or only on Classic servers, or only on Kingdoms/Zone ?

I'm an Intel Mac user, here's your report:
It's much slower on Kingdoms (almost 3x slower than v4), slower on zone (2x) and it's about 2x slower on all Classic (Playerworlds?) servers. It's laggy even with only me in the level. With a lot of players (imagine central in UN) it is horrible, and absolutley impossible to play (about 20x slower than Windows (on Boot Camp) and much slower than v4).

Not sure why it's slower than v4, but it's quite slower. If you like I can tape a video of playing on GK. (Edit: Nevermind, the video has so many frames cut out, it looks normal.)

[Em]

just partition your hard drive and install windows. MacOSX sucks anyways.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Em

just partition your hard drive and install windows. MacOSX sucks anyways.

Please read my post above.

I have partitioned my hard drive, and I have installed Boot Camp.

Boot Camp is very inconvenient. I would much rather use the Mac version of Graal.

The point of this isn't that I cannot run Graal, but that I would like to be able to on Mac. When I've paid for the game, I've always been under the influence that there would be a Graal Mac version.

Even the PPC one does not have all of the features of the Windows one.

As for you comment on OSX, these people did a nice job of comparing XP and OSX. (Also-- are you trying to tell me OSX sucks, yet Vista does not?)

[Admins]

Recorded videos will look like normal speed because Graal records it based on the number of frames I think, although other players will look running fast I guess?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Recorded videos will look like normal speed because Graal records it based on the number of frames I think, although other players will look running fast I guess?

I'll try to see if I can find any commercial Mac recording software which won't cut out frames.

[cbk1994]

Well, apparently I am unable to record this.

Anyway, can you please tell me if there will be a Universal version of Graal for Mac in the near future?

[UberModeKappa]

For me, graal kingdoms, zone, and era run incredibly slow. It is not even worth playing because everyone can run circles around me. I have to make the window very small to get a decent speed.

[cbk1994]

Stefan, when will there be a Universal mac version?

[cbk1994]

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[cbk1994]

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[cbk1994]

Why won't anyone bother answering my question? Not going to support what you promised?

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[cbk1994]

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Is he back now?

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Is he back now?

[UberModeKappa]

Universal Please!

[cbk1994]

When is the release of the Universal Graal v5 for Mac going to be?

[cbk1994]

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Is he back yet?

[zokemon]

Stop spamming. When you see him posting then you should bump... It's obvious he isn't back since none of the v5 threads have any recent posts by Stefan. You can also check when Stefan was last on the forums...

[Crono]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Stop spamming. When you see him posting then you should bump... It's obvious he isn't back since none of the v5 threads have any recent posts by Stefan. You can also check when Stefan was last on the forums...

yarly, thupid noobs

[cbk1994]

Well, he's back now.

[Admins]

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

[UberModeKappa]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

Yikes!

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

Why is that?
Too busy working on your more important Windows users?

I paid for an Intel Mac version, as did others, so you should make one?
People on the Graal forums seem to forget that we have PAID for Graal. The admins do nothing to help dissuade this illusion.

I mean, you didn't even take any user opinions on v5! And where was the VIP beta-testing?

Anyway, once I get banned, bai to everyone.
Graal was fun while it lasted.

[Black_Wallstreet]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Why is that?
Too busy working on your more important Windows users?

I paid for an Intel Mac version, as did others, so you should make one?
People on the Graal forums seem to forget that we have PAID for Graal. The admins do nothing to help dissuade this illusion.

I mean, you didn't even take any user opinions on v5! And where was the VIP beta-testing?

Anyway, once I get banned, bai to everyone.
Graal was fun while it lasted.

I agree. Mac users do deserve an explantion as to why you wont work on it now. They have paid for the game just like anybody else. It's not like Mac users get a discount by any means. Everyone deserves the same attention.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

I paid for an Intel Mac version, as did others, so you should make one?
People on the Graal forums seem to forget that we have PAID for Graal. The admins do nothing to help dissuade this illusion.

You didn't pay for an Intel Mac version and you know it. Stop bull****ting, Windows has always had a priority on Graal.

I mean, you didn't even take any user opinions on v5!

Uh, yeah he did.

And where was the VIP beta-testing?

Nowhere. Why do you ask?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Windows has always had a priority on Graal.

To you, maybe.

However, I paid for a Mac version. If you aren't going to make an intel Mac version, then I want a PPC version with ALL OF THE FEATURES THAT THE WINDOWS VERSION HAS! I DID pay for that.

It never said when I paid for the subscription that there were any Mac limitations. Onoes, hopefully someone will eventually sue for this, though I can't see anyone wasting that much time in this game.

In any case, read my signature, I'm quitting. Please don't post in my thread with a negative attitude, as you're going to.

Probably my last outside post, bye Graal. Go die.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

However, I paid for a Mac version. If you aren't going to make an intel Mac version, then I want a PPC version with ALL OF THE FEATURES THAT THE WINDOWS VERSION HAS! I DID pay for that.

That's like me creating a new account then saying "I PAID FOR THE PLAYSTATION 3 VERSION, I DEMAND A PS3 VERSION NOW SO I CAN STOP CRYING".

It never said when I paid for the subscription that there were any Mac limitations. Onoes, hopefully someone will eventually sue for this, though I can't see anyone wasting that much time in this game.

Did it say macs wouldn't be limited? You know theres tons of games that don't support macs...

In any case, read my signature, I'm quitting. Please don't post in my thread with a negative attitude, as you're going to.

Aw little baby.

Probably my last outside post, bye Graal.

I'm sure people care.

Go die.

no u

[Admins]

I would love to work on an Intel Mac version, but currently we don't have the resources or time to make one. We were not releasing Intel Mac versions before and didn't promise to make one.

[Admins]

Graal.net was a different thing.
Graal works on Mac, to check if it's working fine/fast enough on your Mac you can normally test it on your machine before upgrading.

[Bell]

I really don't know of any game that bends over backwards as much as graal trying to fix everyones problems. Anyplace else if something doesn't work quite right they just say "sorry, can't help you"

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Bell

I really don't know of any game that bends over backwards as much as graal trying to fix everyones problems. Anyplace else if something doesn't work quite right they just say "sorry, can't help you"

ROFLMFAO

You're kidding right? You go to Stefan with a problem, he says:

Originally Posted by Stefan

hmmm

You go to unixmad with a problem and he bans you.

I no longer want a Universal version then. Make a PPC version that has all the features. This cannot be tested by trial, as you can't play many of the things you can with registered. I'm pretty sure you can't try out flash. And it's so confusing with the half-screen and what not, you'd never notice the lag.

So, when I bought registered, I bought it under the presumption that there was nothing wrong with the Mac client for PPC. WRONG!

http://graalonline.com/kingdoms/downloads/

I meet the system requirements. It doesn't say I needed a PPC mac. So therefore, I assume I can run it on a non-PPC mac. Nowhere did it tell me that it doesn't run on an Intel mac the same as a PPC mac.

If you guys eventually make a Universal version with all the features of the Windows version, i'll come back, and maybe I'll play again, but until then, you guys need to sort out what you're doing, because your current strategies are cutting out a lot of customers. (and I don't just mean the Mac strategies, I mean the trial strategies, all the new stupid subscriptions, etc)

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Nowhere did it tell me that it doesn't run on an Intel mac the same as a PPC mac.

Stop acting like games suddenly have to support mac. Consider yourself lucky they even bothered starting to support macs.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

So, when I bought registered, I bought it under the presumption that there was nothing wrong with the Mac client for PPC. WRONG!

Look, dude. You were aware of Rosetta and that it might not necessarily always work:

Originally Posted by Apple.com

Behind the scenes, Rosetta dynamically translates most of your PowerPC-based applications to work with your Intel-based Mac.

Originally Posted by Apple.com

Third-party applications that require precision real-time playback may perform better with a Universal version. For the expected arrival dates of Universal versions of third-party applications, check with their manufacturers.

Stop playing the hard done by party. If you were intending to use PowerPC applications, you should have stuck with a PowerPC machine. :/

Originally Posted by cbkbud

http://graalonline.com/kingdoms/downloads/

I meet the system requirements. It doesn't say I needed a PPC mac. So therefore, I assume I can run it on a non-PPC mac. Nowhere did it tell me that it doesn't run on an Intel mac the same as a PPC mac.

Once again: http://support.cyberjoueurs.com/inde...kb&article=102.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Skyld

Look, dude. You were aware of Rosetta and that it might not necessarily always work:


Stop playing the hard done by party. If you were intending to use PowerPC applications, you should have stuck with a PowerPC machine. :/

Once again: http://support.cyberjoueurs.com/inde...kb&article=102.

First, Graal does not say anywhere on the website that is is PPC! Second, why would I go to the support center and read your article? I've already read the system requirements and recommendations, so why would I read one way off in some endless abyss of support questions?

My PPC mac (12" iBook G4), with 512 MB RAM, 1.33 GHz (I think) processor, runs it WAY better than my 15" MacBook Pro with an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz processor, and 2 GB of RAM.

Should probably mention that somewhere.

Second, my last post said I am no longer looking for an intel version. I'll run it on my PPC, k?

Now I would like to know where all the feautures that Windows has are? I listed some in my last post.

Flash
GMAP loading
timevar/timevar2
dockable playerlist
RC
level editor
graal shop
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Sorry, I guess I missed the part that said development tools were only for Windows. I assumed I could use them on Mac, as nothing told me otherwise.

Admins; if you aren't going to fix the Graal client, please place on the downloads page in bold "The Mac client is somewhat limited and does not contain any development tools."