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cbk1994

07-14-2007 05:44 PM

Intel Mac

Hello.

As of about one years ago, Apple released plans to sell Apple computers with Intel processors inside them.

Around this time, Stefan shared hints that with the new Intel Macs, there would be a version of Graal for the new Macs that would run smoother, and have developmental tools that Mac has lacked since the release of the Mac client for Graal.

One such post is here: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=62482

All versions of Graal, including the now released v5, have been created specifically for the PowerPC computers. Stefan promised that there would be a tools once the Intel Macs were created.

Currently, there are no tools for the Mac. In fact, there is no client for the Intel mac.

For Intel Macs to run PowerPC programs, they use Rosetta emulation technology. This emulation, as all emulation, is far slower than if it were running natively.

Universal applications can run both on PowerPC and on Intel Macs at full speeds. On most applications, not much is needed to port an application from PowerPC to Intel. As stated, Universal applications run on PowerPC and Intel macs, so in that case you only need to make one version.

As you have said that there would be Intel Mac versions of Graal, I was much expecting v5 to have this breakthrough. However, v5 is also PowerPC, and runs actually slower than v4 did on Mac. v5 runs faster on my older iBook G4, but it is still rather slow (the iBook has bad specifications).

I would really like to see a Universal version of Graal v5 made available to players, as well as development tools. The development tools I would like to see are:

Remote Control for Mac. The scripted RC is nothing like the normal one, and it is impossible to script on.
Graal Shop for Mac.
Graal Level Editor for Mac. Please do not say the online one, because I'm quite sick of hearing this. This was supposed to be finished by Christmas of 2005. Two years ago.

So, can one of the admins please answer all of the following questions:
1) Will there be a Universal Mac version of Graal ever?
2) If so, when?
3) Will there ever be a version of Graal for Mac that has all of the features features that Windows has?
4) Will there ever be Mac development tools?

Thank you for reading this,
Chris Zakuto
Developer

UberModeKappa

07-14-2007 09:53 PM

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5. :(

cbk1994

07-14-2007 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberModeKappa (Post 1330268)

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5. :(

Yah :(
Even on PPC, it's not that much faster.

Em	07-14-2007 10:56 PM

just partition your hard drive and install windows. MacOSX sucks anyways.

cbk1994

07-14-2007 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Em (Post 1330334)

just partition your hard drive and install windows. MacOSX sucks anyways.

Please read my post above.

I have partitioned my hard drive, and I have installed Boot Camp.

Boot Camp is very inconvenient. I would much rather use the Mac version of Graal.

The point of this isn't that I cannot run Graal, but that I would like to be able to on Mac. When I've paid for the game, I've always been under the influence that there would be a Graal Mac version.

Even the PPC one does not have all of the features of the Windows one.

As for you comment on OSX, these people did a nice job of comparing XP and OSX. (Also-- are you trying to tell me OSX sucks, yet Vista does not?)

Admins

07-15-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberModeKappa (Post 1330268)

For intel macs, v4 is faster than v5. :(

Haven't received reports from Intel Mac users yet. It is slower than v4? That's quite strange - is it slower on all severs, or only on Classic servers, or only on Kingdoms/Zone ?

cbk1994

07-15-2007 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1330881)

Haven't received reports from Intel Mac users yet. It is slower than v4? That's quite strange - is it slower on all severs, or only on Classic servers, or only on Kingdoms/Zone ?

I'm an Intel Mac user, here's your report:
It's much slower on Kingdoms (almost 3x slower than v4), slower on zone (2x) and it's about 2x slower on all Classic (Playerworlds?) servers. It's laggy even with only me in the level. With a lot of players (imagine central in UN) it is horrible, and absolutley impossible to play (about 20x slower than Windows (on Boot Camp) and much slower than v4).

Not sure why it's slower than v4, but it's quite slower. If you like I can tape a video of playing on GK. (Edit: Nevermind, the video has so many frames cut out, it looks normal.)

Admins

07-15-2007 09:22 PM

Recorded videos will look like normal speed because Graal records it based on the number of frames I think, although other players will look running fast I guess?

cbk1994

07-15-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1330898)

Recorded videos will look like normal speed because Graal records it based on the number of frames I think, although other players will look running fast I guess?

I'll try to see if I can find any commercial Mac recording software which won't cut out frames.

cbk1994

07-16-2007 12:49 AM

Well, apparently I am unable to record this.

Anyway, can you please tell me if there will be a Universal version of Graal for Mac in the near future?

UberModeKappa

07-16-2007 09:09 PM

For me, graal kingdoms, zone, and era run incredibly slow. It is not even worth playing because everyone can run circles around me. I have to make the window very small to get a decent speed.

cbk1994

07-16-2007 10:53 PM

Stefan, when will there be a Universal mac version? :(

cbk1994

07-19-2007 04:27 AM

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UberModeKappa

07-19-2007 04:37 AM

Universal Please!

cbk1994

07-19-2007 05:47 PM

http://techxonline.net/downloads/macforgraal.png
When is the release of the Universal Graal v5 for Mac going to be? :(

cbk1994

07-23-2007 02:35 AM

cbk1994

07-24-2007 09:01 PM

Why won't anyone bother answering my question? Not going to support what you promised?

Tracker180

07-24-2007 11:42 PM

cbk1994

08-01-2007 02:39 AM

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Is he back yet?

cbk1994

08-04-2007 02:14 PM

Tracker180

08-05-2007 09:04 AM

zokemon

08-05-2007 09:57 AM

Stop spamming. When you see him posting then you should bump... It's obvious he isn't back since none of the v5 threads have any recent posts by Stefan. You can also check when Stefan was last on the forums...

Crono

08-05-2007 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1337543)

yarly, thupid noobs >_<

cbk1994

08-06-2007 04:39 PM

Well, he's back now.

Admins

08-07-2007 06:33 PM

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

UberModeKappa

08-07-2007 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1338171)

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

Yikes!

cbk1994

08-10-2007 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1338171)

I've already said that we don't plan to make an Intel Mac version right now.

Why is that?
Too busy working on your more important Windows users?

I paid for an Intel Mac version, as did others, so you should make one?
:\ People on the Graal forums seem to forget that we have PAID for Graal. The admins do nothing to help dissuade this illusion.

I mean, you didn't even take any user opinions on v5! And where was the VIP beta-testing?

Anyway, once I get banned, bai to everyone.
Graal was fun while it lasted.

Black_Wallstreet

08-10-2007 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338637)

I agree. Mac users do deserve an explantion as to why you wont work on it now. They have paid for the game just like anybody else. It's not like Mac users get a discount by any means. Everyone deserves the same attention.

Admins

08-10-2007 07:44 PM

I would love to work on an Intel Mac version, but currently we don't have the resources or time to make one. We were not releasing Intel Mac versions before and didn't promise to make one.

Crono

08-10-2007 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338637)

I paid for an Intel Mac version, as did others, so you should make one?
:\ People on the Graal forums seem to forget that we have PAID for Graal. The admins do nothing to help dissuade this illusion.

You didn't pay for an Intel Mac version and you know it. Stop bull****ting, Windows has always had a priority on Graal.

Quote:

I mean, you didn't even take any user opinions on v5!

Uh, yeah he did.

Quote:

And where was the VIP beta-testing?

Nowhere. Why do you ask?

cbk1994

08-10-2007 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1338792)

Windows has always had a priority on Graal.

To you, maybe.

However, I paid for a Mac version. If you aren't going to make an intel Mac version, then I want a PPC version with ALL OF THE FEATURES THAT THE WINDOWS VERSION HAS! I DID pay for that.

It never said when I paid for the subscription that there were any Mac limitations. Onoes, hopefully someone will eventually sue for this, though I can't see anyone wasting that much time in this game.

In any case, read my signature, I'm quitting. Please don't post in my thread with a negative attitude, as you're going to.

Probably my last outside post, bye Graal. Go die.

Crono

08-10-2007 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338827)

However, I paid for a Mac version. If you aren't going to make an intel Mac version, then I want a PPC version with ALL OF THE FEATURES THAT THE WINDOWS VERSION HAS! I DID pay for that.

That's like me creating a new account then saying "I PAID FOR THE PLAYSTATION 3 VERSION, I DEMAND A PS3 VERSION NOW SO I CAN STOP CRYING".

Quote:

It never said when I paid for the subscription that there were any Mac limitations. Onoes, hopefully someone will eventually sue for this, though I can't see anyone wasting that much time in this game.

Did it say macs wouldn't be limited? You know theres tons of games that don't support macs...

Quote:

In any case, read my signature, I'm quitting. Please don't post in my thread with a negative attitude, as you're going to.

Aw little baby. :cry:

Quote:

Probably my last outside post, bye Graal.

I'm sure people care.

Quote:

Go die.

no u

cbk1994

08-10-2007 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1338839)

That's like me creating a new account then saying "I PAID FOR THE PLAYSTATION 3 VERSION, I DEMAND A PS3 VERSION NOW SO I CAN STOP CRYING".

Did it say macs wouldn't be limited? You know theres tons of games that don't support macs...

Aw little baby. :cry:

I'm sure people care.

no u

It never says anywhere on the website to expect it to be impossible to play Graal on Mac. They really ought to post that somewhere?

I paid under the pretense Mac would get the same treatment as Windows.

Yah right.

So, thank you so much Stefan, for following your own guidelines in exactly what you are going to do, and especially thank you unixmad, for all the fun (does that include my password getting hacked from your database and you posting about dumb people who ran the install.php file?)

Admins

08-10-2007 11:04 PM

Graal.net was a different thing.
Graal works on Mac, to check if it's working fine/fast enough on your Mac you can normally test it on your machine before upgrading.

Crono

08-10-2007 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338854)

It never says anywhere on the website to expect it to be impossible to play Graal on Mac. They really ought to post that somewhere?

They don't need to, because (I think) they never said it was possible to play it on an Intel Mac.

Quote:

I paid under the pretense Mac would get the same treatment as Windows.

Yah right.

I paid under the pretense that Stefan will give me $350,000 along with a lifetime supply of all the candy in the world~~~

cbk1994

08-10-2007 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1338865)

I paid under the pretense that Stefan will give me $350,000 along with a lifetime supply of all the candy in the world~~~

I don't recall them saying that anywhere on the website.

Edit: Didn't see Stefan's post, but you still should say that it is very hard to play on a Mac because of poor software design, or because of lack of support.

Graal does not work well enough for a decent playing experience. Period.

Crono

08-10-2007 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338868)

I don't recall them saying that anywhere on the website.

Did you recall them saying they support Intel Macs? No? You get my point.

Black_Wallstreet

08-11-2007 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1338865)

I paid under the pretense that Stefan will give me $350,000 along with a lifetime supply of all the candy in the world~~~

You mean he's not? :cry:

Admins

08-11-2007 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbkbud (Post 1338868)

Edit: Didn't see Stefan's post, but you still should say that it is very hard to play on a Mac because of poor software design, or because of lack of support.

We can eventually add something like 'Recommended: CPU Power PC'

Twinny

08-11-2007 01:13 AM

Graal doesn't work on my Sega Megadrive. It didn't say this on the site so I assumed that it would have :cry:

*cough*

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