Zodiac GUI

MasterJak · #1 01-20-2007, 06:53 AM

Is there anyway to get the Gold/Red Zodiac GUI back?
It's so much better than this crappy black one xD

Thanks for help <3

MasterJak · #2 01-20-2007, 07:11 AM

Anny way at all?

Stephen · #3 01-20-2007, 07:42 AM

It's not only against the rules, it's quite taboo to double post in a thread you created within a 20 minute time frame.

Skrobo2 · #4 01-20-2007, 09:38 AM

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It's not only against the rules, it's quite taboo to double post in a thread you created within a 20 minute time frame.

Jak is a forum noob, so give him so slack.

I like to do this with my GUIs. It's a lot nicer to have some selection.

Gambet · #5 01-20-2007, 08:35 AM

We're currently focused on Zodiac Dev, which will feature a gui system never before used on Graal.

Just bear with the current gui until we finish everything on Zodiac Dev (which will take us some time, so don't bother us about it).

Just be acknowledged that we are in fact making progress.

Twinny · #6 01-20-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

never before used on Graal.

You say that for everything you make but that doesn't necessarily mean it has been or will be good

. Hopefully players can revert to old system...

Gambet · #7 01-20-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

You say that for everything you make but that doesn't necessarily mean it has been or will be good

. Hopefully players can revert to old system...

I'm not working on the GUI, I'm working on other things. If the person working on the GUI needs help then I'll help them, but I'm sure this person can get it done.

We plan on remaking everything, but better. We don't plan on using any of Yen's scripts, for we don't need them; not that his systems could do what we plan on doing anyways.

Chandler · #8 01-20-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We plan on remaking everything, but better. We don't plan on using any of Yen's scripts, for we don't need them; not that his systems could do what we plan on doing anyways.

Yet, I highly doubt that Zodiac would even exist without the patient's of 'Yen'.

coreys · #9 01-20-2007, 08:17 PM

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Yet, I highly doubt that Zodiac would even exist without the patient's of 'Yen'.

Cause Lord knows Zodiacs other half-assed staff can't do it.

Tyhm · #10 01-20-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We plan on remaking everything, but better.

Read: We think we're better than our forebears, and to prove it we're going to embark on a three year expedition to re-do everything they did, ensuring that in the end the players will have exactly the same server, but with slightly different graphics. We could spend that time working on New content instead of rehashing Old content, but we think you'll agree, it's better to keep repaving the same section than actually build the rest of the road.

PrinceDark · #11 01-20-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

Read: We think we're better than our forebears, and to prove it we're going to embark on a three year expedition to re-do everything they did, ensuring that in the end the players will have exactly the same server, but with slightly different graphics. We could spend that time working on New content instead of rehashing Old content, but we think you'll agree, it's better to keep repaving the same section than actually build the rest of the road.

Very well said. Remakes has caused the death and destruction of many playerworlds. Slowly for some, quickly for others, but surely in the end they all died.

Crono · #12 01-20-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We're currently focused on Zodiac Dev, which will feature a gui system never before used on Graal.

Well, there have only been a handful of guis used on graal to begin with. :P

zell12 · #13 01-20-2007, 08:54 AM

How about make it so players can choose what skin they want for their GUI?

Infernix · #14 01-20-2007, 10:12 PM

Why do servers always want to remake everything? Imagine is WoW had everything remade one day just because stuff was getting old. You add on to thinks you dont remake everything when it comes to online game development.

Inverness · #15 01-20-2007, 11:08 PM

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Lord Sephiroth · #16 01-20-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

What you need to learn about Gambet is that everything he or his server makes is "New and Original and never seen on Graal before", according to him.

coreys · #17 01-21-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Unless he makes a Gui that talks, I'm not sure thats possible.

Googi · #18 01-21-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

GUI System never before used on Graal? Can you give a sample of what you mean exactly?

Really, pretty much every custom GUI ever made for a Graal server was "never before used on Graal".

Tyhm · #19 01-20-2007, 11:54 PM

Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. I mean, I get the motivation - you don't want to be the guy who made a few quests for someone else's game, you want to be the guy who made the game, the only guy that understands the system you made with your own two hands. I mean hell, I spent inordinate ammounts of time retiling the "errors" in the original Classic...it's just a bad plan though.

Infernix · #20 01-21-2007, 12:09 AM

and yet they are all pretty much different arrangements of pixels that all serve the same purpose.

Gambet · #21 01-21-2007, 12:20 AM

Honestly, while you guys continue to blatantly spew crap about how we can't get it done, we are in fact getting it done.

I'm not going to release any information on what we're working on until our entire project is ready to be released. We arn't remaking the gmap, we're just remaking the systems.

And Thym, your analogy was horrible. We're remaking things so that the gameplay could be enhanced, not so that it would be the same.

Some of you guys seem to lack some sense in your posts. Honestly, you can continue to assume that we're incompetent, but it's a FACT that we're getting systems done.

As I stated before, wait until you see the finished product before spewing your comments.

Yen's systems leave no room for improvements, for they are too restricted. There is no other way for us to do what we have planned without remaking everything (script wise). I'm sure you'll be pleased with the end result.

Lord Sephiroth · #22 01-21-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

junk

That was a pretty fancy way to say nothing.

Gambet · #23 01-21-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

That was a pretty fancy way to say nothing.

No, it was a succint way of saying you're going to eat your own words for assuming things too quickly, especially when you've yet to realize that we are making progress.

coreys · #24 01-21-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

No, it was a succint way of saying you're going to eat your own words for assuming things too quickly, especially when you've yet to realize that we are making progress.

Says the man who left many an unfinished project on Maloria.

Infernix · #25 01-21-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Honestly, while you guys continue to blatantly spew crap about how we can't get it done, we are in fact getting it done.

I'm not going to release any information on what we're working on until our entire project is ready to be released. We aren't remaking the gmap, we're just remaking the systems.

And Thym, your analogy was horrible. We're remaking things so that the gameplay could be enhanced, not so that it would be the same.
dict the outcome, are y
Some of you guys seem to lack some sense in your posts. Honestly, you can continue to assume that we're incompetent, but it's a FACT that we're getting systems done.

As I stated before, wait until you see the finished product before spewing your comments.

Yen's systems leave no room for improvements, for they are too restricted. There is no other way for us to do what we have planned without remaking everything (script wise). I'm sure you'll be pleased with the end result.

This is exactly what i expected out of you, your ignorance seems to never fail. I say you go ahead with your plans and in the future make up some blatant excuse on how you failed or why you quit because everything except you went wrong....Well this is what I expect you to do at least because everyone seems to do it time and time again.

This wouldn't be the first time Ive said this to someone and I doubt this will be the first time I'm wrong. History seems to continually holds its self true through the entire world which Graal its self is apart of. When you continually repeat it you will continually receive the same outcome unless something is done different.. You have a chance of rising up and listening to what those have said dozens of times in various situations or following along the path of repeating history. And history has always held its self true time after time when it comes to graal development. We all are wise enough to see it, are you?

You say we are assuming things, but most of us have all been apart of a development team that has done the exact thing you are doing. We were apart of it, we lived it, and we faced the outcome with a unpleasant face.

I just wanna say that we are not all against you. We do not wish you to fail in any way. We all want whats best for Graal and its servers. So we speak and hope that someone will listen to us one day.

Gambet · #26 01-21-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

This is exactly what i expected out of you, your ignorance seems to never fail. I say you go ahead with your plans and in the future make up some blatant excuse on how you failed or why you quit because everything except you went wrong.

This wouldn't be the first time Ive sad this to someone and I doubt this will be the first time I'm wrong.

I'm the one being ignorant for doing what I enjoy, which is programming, and while programming I'm also killing two birds with one stone by producing better content for the players to enjoy, knowing that there is absolutely nothing for players to do anymore on Zodiac except PK, and that there's nothing we can do about that without remaking everything, which is what we're doing?

Yeah, um, I'm tired of people that don't even play Zodiac running their fingers like they knew anything about what was going on. Your mind is distorted from all of the lies you've been fed by Yen.

Infernix · #27 01-21-2007, 01:16 AM

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I'm the one being ignorant for doing what I enjoy, which is programming, and while programming I'm also killing two birds with one stone by producing better content for the players to enjoy, knowing that there is absolutely nothing for players to do anymore on Zodiac except PK, and that there's nothing we can do about that without remaking everything, which is what we're doing?

Yeah, um, I'm tired of people that don't even play Zodiac running their fingers like they knew anything about what was going on. Your mind is distorted from all of the lies you've been fed by Yen.

This is completely irrelevant to what I said in my previous post. That is not why I called you ignorant, wow.
o and a shed of light of your idea of people not knowing zodiac because they haven't played. Just because someone is not on the server on a daily basis does not mean they do not play Zodiac. Not only that lets mention that graal is a small community and because of that information for all servers is spread quite easily. Thinking that everyone is basing everything they have said on Yens words is only proving the first thing I said in my previous post.

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We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

Replacing old game play with new game play without keeping the old is unacceptable. Once again imagine is the world most Massively played online game WoW did that. Imagine the 8mil players who would be upset that the original game play that attracted the to the game is no longer there.

Skrobo2 · #28 01-21-2007, 12:53 AM

This is the same thing that happened to Shangri-La. MysticalDragon got his hands on it and started redoing everything. When all he did was undo the five months of work we, the original staff, put into it. I logged on a while back and all that was left was was my main gmap, Shawn's Skyworld gmap, and the images. Redoing everything is stupid and pointless. If you lack the talent to work with what's there then get off the project.

Gambet · #29 01-21-2007, 12:58 AM

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This is the same thing that happened to Shangri-La. MysticalDragon got his hands on it and started redoing everything. When all he did was undo the five months of work we, the original staff, put into it. I logged on a while back and all that was left was was my main gmap, Shawn's Skyworld gmap, and the images. Redoing everything is stupid and pointless. If you lack the talent to work with what's there then get off the project.

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

coreys · #30 01-21-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems, as we have been doing for quite some time now. The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

Yes, it takes a lot of talent to work with systems that I believe Yen did originally make to be easy to work with. Yep, that's talent all right. Listen Gambet, no-one believes you because of your track record. Which is this:

You have a tendency to half ass your work, and leave with a glitchy, crappy system that has a very unfinished feel to it.
You are a pompous prick, that tends to like to say that everything you say is a fact. Get a clue.
You try and act all intelligent, and indeed you say and think you are more intelligent than just about everyone in the world. But yet you've proved yourself to be a true ***** who really just has no common sense.

Andy0687 · #31 01-21-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

We have enough talent to work with Yen's systems,

Not really but okay.

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The point is that we're moving on; introducing new forms of gameplay that will give players more things do, instead of the current, heavily restricted systems.

You know I think the thing you have to sit back and ask yourself, is.

Why are you doing what you are doing? Is it because you really want to appeal to the players? Or is it because you guys dont have enough balls to still use yens systems because you are so untalented.

The players love the "heavily restricted" systems, so why not just improve on them? Because you arent capable.

Chandler · #32 01-21-2007, 11:56 AM

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Your posts...in general

Who're you trying to prove? You sound as though you're trying to impress someone. Who is this person that you're trying to impress?

coreys · #33 01-21-2007, 01:56 AM

Yeah, just stop talking to Gambet, everyone. He obviously doesn't understand English. Or common sense.

Gambet · #34 01-21-2007, 01:58 AM

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Yeah, just stop talking to Gambet, everyone. He obviously doesn't understand English. Or common sense.

Yes, because I'm the one that lacks sense when I've shot down your claims multiple times already.

Nice way of saying "I'm obviously not winning this debate and thus I should organize a rampage on Gambet so that everyone flames him and this thread is closed before he continues to embarass me".

coreys · #35 01-21-2007, 02:48 AM

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I've shot down your claims multiple times already.

This is the one claim you've made COUNTLESS times, probably for you whole life. And you are probably the only one who ever thinks its true. Shut the **** UP and get a GOD DAMN LIFE. *****.

Inverness · #36 01-21-2007, 02:16 AM

If you want support for your 'project' we're going to need some information on it.
Public support is a good thing.

Skrobo2 · #37 01-21-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If you want support for your 'project' we're going to need some information on it.
Public support is a good thing.

He doesn't want to make any promises, because he won't be able to keep them. Zodiac will be dead in the end with a player count like Classic's.

Gambet · #38 01-21-2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If you want support for your 'project' we're going to need some information on it.
Public support is a good thing.

Information will be leaked once we get a bit more done.

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Originally Posted by Skrobo2

He doesn't want to make any promises, because he won't be able to keep them. Zodiac will be dead in the end with a player count like Classic's.

More like I can't make any promises when we havn't even finished the blueprint ideas yet.

Great way to make assumptions.

Oh wait, weren't you the one who made the GoodBye thread for Yen?

Oh, no wonder you continue to argue with me. I should have seen it before

Infernix · #39 01-21-2007, 02:32 AM

Gambet you do realize that the argument is about replacing old Zodiac with a new Zodiac right?And you claim Zodiac is the 2nd server on the classic list so I doubt it needs a over haul.

People are asking you to add on to it with new content instead of removing the old with new. You say we don't even know what your doing. But in fact you've already given us the basis.

Removing old and making new. Might as well give the server a new name because its not going to be the same game.

Gambet · #40 01-21-2007, 02:35 AM

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Gambet you do realize that the argument is about replacing old Zodiac with a new Zodiac right?And you claim Zodiac is the 2nd server on the classic list so I doubt it needs a over haul.

People are asking you to add on to it with new content instead of removing the old with new. You say we don't even know what your doing. But in fact you've already given us the basis.

Removing old and making new. Might as well give the server a new name because its not going to be the same game.

The server title is not up to me to change.

Some of the same people that helped make Zodiac, excluding Yen, are still around as staff today.

Stop speaking as if Zodiac only exists with Yen, and without him it shouldn't be called Zodiac (or at least stop making it look like you mean this much).