Mod makeover?

[excaliber7388]

Personally, I think some of the mods have too much power. I think there should be some rules limiting their power more, so they can't make up rules on the spot, or close threads because they don't like em. I know this discussion is in other threads, however, I wanted a poll to find out if a majority disliked how things were being run. Enjoy!

(btw, I don't think this breaks any rules, so this poll should be open for quite a while.)

[Minoc]

No, that's a bad solution.

[Sam]

Excaliber feat. Don Quichote

[WanDaMan]

Bad idea.

[Zero Hour]

They're not making up rules on the spot. Besides, you coward - you might aswell say that you mean Darlene specifically, because you've not felt the wrath of Kamuii yet.

I think the mods are doing a fine job, specifically (in this case) Darlene.

[Malinko]

Erm, GraalOnline's Communication Center runs quite simple.

Read the rules, follow the rules.

If there is a complaint, use the GraalOnline Support Center stating what should be changed, the reason it should be changed, then a solution to have it changed.

You are just stating things are being run "bad" or too "strict", though failed to propose how it is. I do not see current forum moderators making up rules "on the spot". Rules can be derived or related to other rules, which covers the entire aspect, so what's the problem?

[excaliber7388]

I may have worded it wrong, but basically, I attempted to privide a solution to the overcensoring on these forums, and find out the public's oppinion of this solution. Or if you think that the censoring is a problem.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I may have worded it wrong, but basically, I attempted to privide a solution to the overcensoring on these forums, and find out the public's oppinion of this solution. Or if you think that the censoring is a problem.

Oh, so you are right back to the censoring issue....well, my post applies the same to that also....

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I may have worded it wrong, but basically, I attempted to privide a solution to the overcensoring on these forums, and find out the public's oppinion of this solution. Or if you think that the censoring is a problem.

I don't think it was worded wrong, I think it's not being understood.

You need to PROVIDE examples of what is considered "too strict". You are just mentioning "overcensoring", what is that? A public dicussion is alright on the forums, but if it's not done correct, then there is no use to even mentioning it.

Once again, I will mention, as Moon Goddess / Moonie has said. UNIXMAD CREATED THESE RULES. He made these rules for specific reasons and she will administrate these rules within the forums. READ the rules and FOLLOW the rules. If there is a problem, please, contact the GraalOnline Support Center, which the ticket will be assigned to unixmad or e-mail him at [email protected]. Do not create multiple discussions or threads about a problem when it doesn't exist. If it does exist, then as I said, provide the examples, explain the reason the examples are a problem, and propose a situation. The situation isn't to replace the moderators on the forums, it's so adjust the rules to fit the forums users. Just stop blaming the forum moderators for administrating the rules. Stop. Just stop it. So once again, read the rules, follow the rules. If there is a problem, state it, propose an adjustment, then we'll have a discussion.

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I broke no rules, I shouldn't be banned. And this is my final thing. If the community is okay with the moderation as of now, then I will drop the subject. I however have disagreeded with MANY threads being closed, and I hope that there can be a reduction in the threads cosed for no rule breaking, or because someone didn't like the topic. I don't want to get in trouble, just help the community get along a bit more, ironically, by starting a small argument It's funny how things work out like that. You may dislike a person you know, but until you tell them that you do, and why, you'll never get along with him/her.

What?

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by Malinko

If there is a problem, state it, propose an adjustment, then we'll have a discussion.

Hmm..
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=62207

[Chris]

Why do people geel the need to be annoying over the Internet? Holy crap its a forum with rules and people still whine like babies for the hell of it.. Grow the **** up.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Personally, I think some of the mods have too much power. I think there should be some rules limiting their power more, so they can't make up rules on the spot, or close threads because they don't like em. I know this discussion is in other threads, however, I wanted a poll to find out if a majority disliked how things were being run. Enjoy!

(btw, I don't think this breaks any rules, so this poll should be open for quite a while.)

Wow, you know what? You absolutely refuse to understand that these forums are being run the way Unixmad wishes them to be run....are you scared to speak to Unixmad?
What you are doing here makes absolutely no difference what so ever, YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!
I really wish you would stop making these threads, trying to make it seem generalized, when you are doing it to attack me specifically.

I DO NOT make up rules on the spot, nor do any other Mod that I know of.
I DO NOT close threads because I personally don't like them...I use common sense, and judgement, not personal feelings.

But, you know what? Enjoy your poll, as you said "Enjoy"
I hope that this is very enjoyable for you
And, hopefully Unixmad doesn't decide to ban you

"Enjoy" indeed.....

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

...

I broke no rules, I shouldn't be banned. And this is my final thing. If the community is okay with the moderation as of now, then I will drop the subject. I however have disagreeded with MANY threads being closed, and I hope that there can be a reduction in the threads cosed for no rule breaking, or because someone didn't like the topic. I don't want to get in trouble, just help the community get along a bit more, ironically, by starting a small argument It's funny how things work out like that. You may dislike a person you know, but until you tell them that you do, and why, you'll never get along with him/her.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

And, hopefully Unixmad doesn't decide to ban you

What reason would he have?

Offensive opinions?

Unixmad is more professional than that.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gerami

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Koni lol

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Koni lol

It was only for the weekend wasn't it?

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gerami

It was only for the weekend wasn't it?

was that only because so many users voiced their opinion in his favor or something?

I dunno but still, a global ban is a global ban, no matter if it is for a few days or forever, they tried to make an example out of him.

[Curt1zzle]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Wow, you know what? You absolutely refuse to understand that these forums are being run the way Unixmad wishes them to be run....are you scared to speak to Unixmad?
What you are doing here makes absolutely no difference what so ever, YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!
I really wish you would stop making these threads, trying to make it seem generalized, when you are doing it to attack me specifically.

I DO NOT make up rules on the spot, nor do any other Mod that I know of.
I DO NOT close threads because I personally don't like them...I use common sense, and judgement, not personal feelings.

But, you know what? Enjoy your poll, as you said "Enjoy"
I hope that this is very enjoyable for you
And, hopefully Unixmad doesn't decide to ban you

"Enjoy" indeed.....

Don't stroke.

I think the forums are running fine.
The iron fist moderation keeps the annoying ones out, the ones who already got past the first hurdle of paying for their accounts.

The Era Forums, however, are free...and doomed. Ah!

[Chris]

Oh yeah.. I voted: other (you're an idiot)

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Wow, you know what? You absolutely refuse to understand that these forums are being run the way Unixmad wishes them to be run...

Unixmad is a level 99 rubber stamp. Obviously this is something you've figured out.

[Bl0nkt]

Graalonline minimum age limit - 13
Average grade 13 year olds are in - 7th
The grade where most people learn about reproductions/dangers of sex - 7th

I believe it adds up.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Graalonline minimum age limit - 13
Average grade 13 year olds are in - 7th
The grade where most people learn about reproductions/dangers of sex - 7th

I believe it adds up.

Exactly, we are not legally responsible for them anyway.

And if your reason is that it causes arguments?
Thats like saying a person can't discuss their race or gender (or announce it) because some people are racist/sexist and will start an argument. In fact since the majority of players are white computer geeks, and make, we should assume EVERYONE is like that, and not allow anyone to say otherwise.
But why stop there???
Politics, sports, gamings systems, different things in graal, all cause arguments, so why allow them?
Honestly, if you pick on one group, you should pick on them all. Your worried about the 1 or 2 11 year olds playing graal and finding about *gasp* homos when there are plenty of other people offended by this.
And how could you know that most homosexuals don't know what they are untill they're older than 10. They know for a long time, they just may not want to accept it for a while. Most will tell you they've been a certain way since they can remember, just like everyone else. Everyone's different, if you start choosing who you will accept and who you won't, your discriminating, its that simple.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Graalonline minimum age limit - 13
Average grade 13 year olds are in - 7th
The grade where most people learn about reproductions/dangers of sex - 7th

I believe it adds up.

School is where they should learn about it. Not on a game forum. Christ, how difficult a concept is this to grasp?

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by konidias

School is where they should learn about it. Not on a game forum. Christ, how difficult a concept is this to grasp?

Kids are also supposed to learn things from their parents, but they learn them from the media instead. Its an off topic forum for things that people would like to know about other then Graal. That includes everything. As long as it isn't illiegal or offensive in any way.


Oh yea, I had the school sex talk in 5th grade

[Googi]

Originally Posted by konidias

School is where they should learn about it. Not on a game forum. Christ, how difficult a concept is this to grasp?

Hahaha, like back when there was that fight over Kamuii and Sigla's sigs.

[Bl0nkt]

Originally Posted by konidias

School is where they should learn about it. Not on a game forum. Christ, how difficult a concept is this to grasp?

Quote me where I made reference to this idea. I'm trying to get it across that if you're under 13, you have no right on graalonline. Tied in with this, at age 13, you generally learn about it... in school.

I regret explaining myself.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

What you are doing here makes absolutely no difference what so ever, YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Googi

I approve of your image pwn.

[Malinko]

You go girl.

[xAndrewx]

Do you have a problem with Darlane being a GM?

[Elk]

My mommy pwns you all
Right mommy Moonieness?

[protagonist]

I voted yes, only because I don't think an effective forum can have be heavily scrutinized and still remain effective, by any moderator. At least, the moderators should have to only close threads that strictly and specifically violate a rule. Any rules about content should be added to the rules, not made on the spot.

[excaliber7388]

Examples? I'm getting tired of posting all of these links (most are recent btw)
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64151 (this one i can maybe understand, a little)
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64710
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...t=64446&page=3
^ ^ look at my last post in here too, lots more links
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64420
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64421
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64362
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=63858
Those last few were fustrating
In fact, they ALL were!
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64174
^ ^ and yet an attack on a specific religion wasn't stopped?
In fact, all you have to do is look through the forums, most closed threads were closed for questionable reasons I don't think I need to post more, you should get my point by now.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Examples? I'm getting tired of posting all of these links (most are recent btw)
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64151 (this one i can maybe understand, a little)
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64710
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...t=64446&page=3
^ ^ look at my last post in here too, lots more links
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64420
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64421
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64362
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=63858
Those last few were fustrating
In fact, they ALL were!
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=64174
^ ^ and yet an attack on a specific religion wasn't stopped?
In fact, all you have to do is look through the forums, most closed threads were closed for questionable reasons I don't think I need to post more, you should get my point by now.

.....Sigh.....
Unixmad does not wish for homosexuality to be discussed on these forums....
Unixmad does not wish for complaints done and explained constantly to be on the forums (all done by the same people over and over on the same issues)
I mean, things can only be explained so much

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Unixmad does not wish for homosexuality to be discussed on these forums....

Then he would have closed one of those many 15 page homosexual argument threads.

Unixmad does not wish for complaints done and explained constantly to be on the forums (all done by the same people over and over on the same issues)

Why? Does it not show something? It means there's a problem.

I mean, things can only be explained so much

I'm sorry mommy :< we're just kids <3

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Then he would have closed one of those many 15 page homosexual argument threads.

I questioned Unixmad about having it on the forums, and he replied that he did not want it on the forums, so I took action.
I didn't think it was appropriate anyway, but sometimes I like to converse with Unixmad on certain issues....

Why? Does it not show something? It means there's a problem.

That's what the support center is for...

I'm sorry mommy :< we're just kids <3

That statement doesn't fly with me, dont forget, I have 4 kids ranging from the ages of 13 to 21.

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

.....Sigh.....
Unixmad does not wish for homosexuality to be discussed on these forums....
Unixmad does not wish for complaints done and explained constantly to be on the forums (all done by the same people over and over on the same issues)
I mean, things can only be explained so much

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=150

"I'm tired of these threads"

You were the one that closed it, don't try to hide.

If unixmad wishes, he is perfectly capable of posting rules himself.

Yesterday he told me I can post anything I want. So apparantly, I can post anything I was using your logic.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Damix2

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=150

"I'm tired of these threads"

You were the one that closed it, don't try to hide.

If unixmad wishes, he is perfectly capable of posting rules himself.

Yesterday he told me I can post anything I want. So apparantly, I can post anything I was using your logic.

Well, yea.....it is my job to close threads which the owners do not approve of...If Unixmad wanted to do it, he wouldn't hire mods (common sense)

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Well, yea.....it is my job to close threads which the owners do not approve of...If Unixmad wanted to do it, he wouldn't hire mods (common sense)

Did I say he has to close every thread? Do you know how to read? It doesn't appear that you are literate, which is pathetic if you are as old as you say you are.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Examples? I'm getting tired of posting all of these links (most are recent btw)

And I can tell the mods are getting tired of explaining them to you.

Even though I do agree with some of the things you are saying, nothing is really going to change. Just deal with it. And, if you can't, no one is really forcing you to stay.

So basically: Just stop.