Since posting private history is illegal...

GoZelda · #1 01-09-2006, 09:21 PM

What would the punishment for staff be if they encouraged someone to post private history?

Also:

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Originally Posted by PersonA

Hey I just build this website! Please check it out and post any information you have for it.

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Originally Posted by PersonB

Learn to build a website, that is crap.

Would you think that is a flame post?

Draenin · #2 01-09-2006, 10:24 PM

1. Leeches.
2. Yes.

XGoLink · #3 01-09-2006, 10:44 PM

Fire the staff

Yes. The one who said that should be punished!

excaliber7388 · #4 01-09-2006, 11:12 PM

1 fire
2 yes

Googi · #5 01-09-2006, 11:41 PM

1. That rule is probably the stupidest on the forums.
2. No. It's not a direct insult against a person.

ApothiX · #6 01-09-2006, 11:45 PM

1) Depends on what the offence is. If it's you getting scammed and the staff member asking for the conversation between you guys, then I think it's logical that you give them the evidence they need o_O

2) It's constructive criticism, he's giving you advice by telling you to learn how to build a website

Sam · #7 01-09-2006, 11:54 PM

Are you talking about this website?

Maybe it was harsh to say it's crap, but its not one of the best at all.

ApothiX · #8 01-09-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Are you talking about this website?

Maybe it was harsh to say it's crap, but its not one of the best at all.

Erm, I'm going to have to agree with whoever said it was crap. The layout is lacking, the color scheme makes me want to have a seizure and the content is far from.. entertaining?

napo_p2p · #9 01-10-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

Erm, I'm going to have to agree with whoever said it was crap. The layout is lacking, the color scheme makes me want to have a seizure and the content is far from.. entertaining?

Same here.

And for the topic:
1) Fire (punishiment for breaking that so-called 'rule'). Rehire.
2) Nope, unless the website has feelings.

Minoc · #10 01-09-2006, 11:58 PM

1. None, that rule should be removed.
2. No.

protagonist · #11 01-10-2006, 02:05 AM

1) Stupid rule. People shouldn't say things they wouldn't want everyone to hear. This is the internet, not confession.

2) No. Honesty should not be against the rules, ever.

Yen · #12 01-10-2006, 03:18 AM

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified? If staff were supposed to have access to PM history, it'd probably log on the server. :/

protagonist · #13 01-10-2006, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Yen

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified? If staff were supposed to have access to PM history, it'd probably log on the server. :/

Do you know how big the PM folder would be? O_o

Darlene159 · #14 01-10-2006, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Yen

I don't think you're allowed to give out a PM history without the other person's consent, since it can be modified?

Wow, someone who actually gets it....

napo_p2p · #15 01-10-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Wow, someone who actually gets it....

I don't get it.

CidNight1142 · #16 01-10-2006, 10:31 AM

Pretty simple. For example. A harmless pm like:
"I LOVE whittling!"
could be changed easily into
"I LOVE hitler!"
and we all know Hitler is totally uncool.

xAndrewx · #17 01-10-2006, 10:54 AM

No, the other person gave you permission.
No, the website does suck. You must think it's amazing to not agree.

ApothiX · #18 01-10-2006, 03:45 PM

I thought that private history rule was strictly for the forums? If a staff member is asking you for private history to settle a claim in game, why would you be bringing forum rules into play?

Darlene159 · #19 01-10-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

I thought that private history rule was strictly for the forums? If a staff member is asking you for private history to settle a claim in game, why would you be bringing forum rules into play?

I assumed since he said "post", that he was referring to the forums. I could be wrong though

Draenin · #20 01-10-2006, 04:28 PM

It is not constructive criticism to say that a website sucks and then give no detail as to how it should be improved.

Sam · #21 01-10-2006, 04:38 PM

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the quoted sentences this thread started with reminds me on this thread: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=57620

Draenin · #22 01-10-2006, 05:20 PM

Oh, so this is some kind of revenge thread, then. Hahahaha.

Not exactly a smart move.

GoZelda · #23 01-10-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Oh, so this is some kind of revenge thread, then.

Actually, no. This is like a year after that thread, so that doesn't make sense. I just wanted to see who agreed with me that it is a flame, or at the very least not good attitude for staff, considering I:

Did not ask for constructive criticism
Did not ask for criticism
"That is crap" isn't criticism at all
I didn't ask for opinions either
Sam later said he did that especially for me
Crap is the equivalent of ****
It was quite harsh for something not provoked, especially from a staff member
On the other hand, Andrew is staff and he can call people idiots as much as he wants

The main concern was the log-posting issue, which has occured (although the thread has been deleted). I PMed the person (on GK) if he/she was banned on the forums. She said no, why? I replied that posting logs there is illegal, after which she replied that a staffmember told her to post the log to see how it would work out.

Of course I can't really prove it as the logs could easily be forged (although that would be stupid, forging logs for such a thin thread of succes, saying someone spawned items would be easier).

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

No, the other person gave you permission.

Uh, no?

ApothiX · #24 01-10-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Did not ask for constructive criticism
Did not ask for criticism

If you don't want criticism, don't post on a public forum. Simple concept.

GoZelda · #25 01-10-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

If you don't want criticism, don't post on a public forum.

So, then what would you have advised me to do if I wanted to get that information?

ApothiX · #26 01-10-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

So, then what would you have advised me to do if I wanted to get that information?

Get what information?

PrinceDark · #27 01-10-2006, 09:16 PM

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What would the punishment for staff be if they encouraged someone to post private history?

None. Why fire someone for encouraging someone else to do something. That other person should use their own common sense to decide whether or not to post the history.

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Would you think that is a flame post?

Yes. It is not good negative criticism at all. It is negative yes, but they don't say how the website is poorly designed, what it is lacking, or anything at all about what is wrong with the website itself.

Draenin · #28 01-10-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Actually, no. This is like a year after that thread, so that doesn't make sense. I just wanted to see who agreed with me that it is a flame, or at the very least not good attitude for staff, considering I:

1. Did not ask for constructive criticism
2. Did not ask for criticism
3. "That is crap" isn't criticism at all
4. I didn't ask for opinions either
5. Sam later said he did that especially for me
6. Crap is the equivalent of ****
7. It was quite harsh for something not provoked, especially from a staff member
8. On the other hand, Andrew is staff and he can call people idiots as much as he wants

The main concern was the log-posting issue, which has occured (although the thread has been deleted). I PMed the person (on GK) if he/she was banned on the forums. She said no, why? I replied that posting logs there is illegal, after which she replied that a staffmember told her to post the log to see how it would work out.

Of course I can't really prove it as the logs could easily be forged (although that would be stupid, forging logs for such a thin thread of succes, saying someone spawned items would be easier).

What's that I hear in the distance? Why, it's the whaaaaaaa-bulance!

CidNight1142 · #29 01-10-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

What's that I hear in the distance? Why, it's the whaaaaaaa-bulance!

Roflcopter

Darklux · #30 01-10-2006, 10:25 PM

Can you wash your damn laundry wherelese?

I dont think this is the right place.
This thread is only ending in cussing.

- Niki

PrinceDark · #31 01-11-2006, 08:06 AM

Wait do we have 2 anderws arguing here?

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So, a staffmember that encourages someone to hack should get away with it too?

lol. ok. With my very same logic, yes, even with that situation I still believe the staff member is not responsible for it. I will agree with you that it isn't right, but I wouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of another. This is sort of all like the "Hey my son wanted GTA, and now he's running around stealing cars. I'm gonna sue the game creators for my son being in the hospital cause someone shot him."
Sorry for being so much like them evil lawyers, but thats just the way I perceive this to be similar to.

Lance · #32 01-13-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Wait do we have 2 anderws arguing here?

lol. ok. With my very same logic, yes, even with that situation I still believe the staff member is not responsible for it. I will agree with you that it isn't right, but I wouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of another. This is sort of all like the "Hey my son wanted GTA, and now he's running around stealing cars. I'm gonna sue the game creators for my son being in the hospital cause someone shot him."
Sorry for being so much like them evil lawyers, but thats just the way I perceive this to be similar to.

Your analogy fails because the games don't tell you to go out and do that in the same scope (game vs real life) where the hypothetical staff members are telling you to commit the crimes in the same scope (game vs game).

Crono · #33 01-11-2006, 08:32 AM

If the private history was posted with permission, nothing should happen. If it was done without permission, -ANYONE- (not only staff) should get an equal warning or something as it is against the rules and is invading people's privacy.

I don't think it's anywhere near a flame. If unixmad got on and went "DUD UR WEBSIT SUKS" he can say it as much as he wishes because it's not a flame nor against the rules.

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Can you wash your damn laundry wherelese?

no sry we r hoboz we kant afrod 2

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I dont think this is the right place.

We do.

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This thread is only ending in cussing.

ololol so? Atleast something productive might come out of it, even if it is "cussing" (boohoooooooooooo ;O; )

Lance · #34 01-13-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

What would the punishment for staff be if they encouraged someone to post private history?

It most certainly depends on the context. Is the staff asking politely? Demanding? Threatening? Suggesting? What kind of staff member is it? Do they have a history of asking people to break rules? There are a ton of questions that would need to be answered before a response to your question could be given.

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Would you think that is a flame post?

It is a bit on the negative side and approaching the limit of tolerated behavior, but it is still within the line.

GoZelda · #35 01-13-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

It most certainly depends on the context. Is the staff asking politely? Demanding? Threatening? Suggesting? What kind of staff member is it? Do they have a history of asking people to break rules? There are a ton of questions that would need to be answered before a response to your question could be given.

But, all in all, it is a bad thing right?

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Originally Posted by Lance

It is a bit on the negative side and approaching the limit of tolerated behavior, but it is still within the line.

And what if staff posted it?

Lance · #36 01-14-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

But, all in all, it is a bad thing right?

Do they know they're encouraging something that's wrong?

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And what if staff posted it?

If it's within the line, it's within the line, isn't it?

GoZelda · #37 01-14-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Do they know they're encouraging something that's wrong?

Aren't they supposed to know as staff?

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Originally Posted by Lance

If it's within the line, it's within the line, isn't it?

So, if say, malicious hacking would give the normal player a 3-day ban, the same would happen to staff and they will not get fired?

Lance · #38 01-14-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Aren't they supposed to know as staff?

Depends on their position, now doesn't it? You can't win with blanket arguments, buddy.

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So, if say, malicious hacking would give the normal player a 3-day ban, the same would happen to staff and they will not get fired?

Please elaborate: what do you mean by 'the same would happen to staff'? Also, what does this have to do with what I said?

Darklux · #39 01-13-2006, 11:39 AM

Finally someone stops this chaos in this post x-x

ApothiX · #40 01-14-2006, 06:17 PM

Moonie is right, it's pretty obvious you're trying to get a member of Staff in trouble (You're also using an event that happened around a year ago to do it.)