My thoughts on Classic, from the inside.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Classic has been a hotbed for drama in the past view months, and even though having my own opinions on Classic's status, I've remained relatively quiet on the public front, with Massokre's apparent quitting, I feel I must express some of my views on specific divisions and events on Classic.

Massokre situation: Massokre, with his progress being slow or fast, is direly needed by the server. Our supply of scripters include me, him, and Storm, obviously Classic has been and is still lacking in the scripter department. While progress seems slow on the outside of things, this is attributed with Massokre's tendancy to space himself out between projects, a lot of work has been almost completed, but not fully. Massokre does work on a lot of stuff at once, but the main point is that he is working.

His well known critics, Kevin and Maximus, have an interesting reputation on this server that should completely discredit any of their opinions on positive development on the server. Putting it simply, Maximus and Kevin are a tumor to classic. These two players are jailed weekly for staff harassment, spamming masses and toalls, massing sites such as tubgirl and goatse, severely harassing other players on various alleged physical imperfections(I think they endorsed a site dedicated to this), and other various infractions of the rules. The fact that they have not been banned for a significant period of time by Storm baffles me, players like this that have been jailed for these breaches in the rules 15-20 times in the span of 2-3 months should not be allowed on the server.

Another issue that concerns me is the two crippled staff divisions and their administrators that have been inactive or barely active for months. These two divisions are FAQ and GP. Both Thermo and Stryker are online once every two weeks at best, with Thermo disappearing for a couple months previously. Both FAQ and GP have had 2-5 active members for about a year. These administrators have not been dealt with Storm visibly at all, and when I try to approach him on this issue(I personally, don't like to see FAQ, a division I brought back from 3 to 17 members in 2001, go back to what it was), he blows me off, and with no Asst. Manager, there is no second person to go to.

Holes in FAQ and GP coverage are gaping, with no quests on the server, the lack of FAQ coverage is not as important as that of GP's holes in coverage. I can safely say, without Bell, the Asst. Admin of GP, covering the server when she can, there would be close to no GP coverage on Classic at all, and it has been this way for months. In my opinion, Bell should have been moved to GP Administrator long long ago. However, Storm in my opinion, is very hard pressed to get to make decisions such as these. I myself have talked to Storm about big events projects such as a serverwide guild war, only to be blown off by an "I'll think about it", and not hear about it again for months.

I'm sorry for breaking any forum rules, but I just wanted to set the record straight from someone who is a bit more knowledgeable on what is going on.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Classic has been a hotbed for drama in the past view months, and even though having my own opinions on Classic's status, I've remained relatively quiet on the public front, with Massokre's apparent quitting, I feel I must express some of my views on specific divisions and events on Classic.

relative compared to?

Massokre situation: Massokre, with his progress being slow or fast, is direly needed by the server. Our supply of scripters include me, him, and Storm, obviously Classic has been and is still lacking in the scripter department. While progress seems slow on the outside of things, this is attributed with Massokre's tendancy to space himself out between projects, a lot of work has been almost completed, but not fully. Massokre does work on a lot of stuff at once, but the main point is that he is working.

almost been completed != good

His well known critics, Kevin and Maximus, have an interesting reputation on this server that should completely discredit any of their opinions on positive development on the server. Putting it simply, Maximus and Kevin are a tumor to classic. These two players are jailed weekly for staff harassment, spamming masses and toalls, massing sites such as tubgirl and goatse, severely harassing other players on various alleged physical imperfections(I think they endorsed a site dedicated to this), and other various infractions of the rules. The fact that they have not been banned for a significant period of time by Storm baffles me, players like this that have been jailed for these breaches in the rules 15-20 times in the span of 2-3 months should not be allowed on the server.

These numbers are startlingly inaccurate.
EDIT: LOL **** DIDN'T CATCH THE HAMMY CHILL REFERENCE AT FIRST.

Another issue that concerns me is the two crippled staff divisions and their administrators that have been inactive or barely active for months. These two divisions are FAQ and GP. Both Thermo and Stryker are online once every two weeks at best, with Thermo disappearing for a couple months previously. Both FAQ and GP have had 2-5 active members for about a year. These administrators have not been dealt with Storm visibly at all, and when I try to approach him on this issue(I personally, don't like to see FAQ, a division I brought back from 3 to 17 members in 2001, go back to what it was), he blows me off, and with no Asst. Manager, there is no second person to go to.

You're implying a need for a worthless FAQ team.

Holes in FAQ and GP coverage are gaping, with no quests on the server, the lack of FAQ coverage is not as important as that of GP's holes in coverage. I can safely say, without Bell, the Asst. Admin of GP, covering the server when she can, there would be close to no GP coverage on Classic at all, and it has been this way for months. In my opinion, Bell should have been moved to GP Administrator long long ago. However, Storm in my opinion, is very hard pressed to get to make decisions such as these. I myself have talked to Storm about big events projects such as a serverwide guild war, only to be blown off by an "I'll think about it", and not hear about it again for months.

He does it to everybody, suggestions?

I'm sorry for breaking any forum rules, but I just wanted to set the record straight from someone who is a bit more knowledgeable on what is going on.

not even.

EDIT 2:

[darkriders_p2p]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

These two players are jailed weekly for staff harassment, spamming masses and toalls...

Exaggerating slightly aren't you?

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Massing sites such as tubgirl and goatse.

I'll admitt I did this in the past, but I have been warned about such things and have ceased to continue these actions after I was jailed.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

severely harassing other players on various alleged physical imperfections(I think they endorsed a site dedicated to this)

Neither Kevin or myself were even remotely affiliated with the website in question, but if you're looking to point a finger at someone, look towards someone on the LAT team.

I'd like to add that if you haven't noticed, I didn't initiate this behaviour either way. I returned after a month and had two players threaten my life, things were said about me, and a whole lot more.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

The fact that they have not been banned for a significant period of time by Storm baffles me, players like this that have been jailed for these breaches in the rules 15-20 times in the span of 2-3 months should not be allowed on the server.

Again, you're exaggerating.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Another issue that concerns me is the two crippled staff divisions and their administrators that have been inactive or barely active for months.

Please do not try to blame the lack of progress on the server on another department, the blame lies soley with Massokre and his LATs.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

These administrators have not been dealt with Storm visibly at all, and when I try to approach him on this issue(I personally, don't like to see FAQ, a division I brought back from 3 to 17 members in 2001, go back to what it was), he blows me off, and with no Asst. Manager, there is no second person to go to.

First off, I dislike how you try to make it sound like you single handedly brought the old FAQ division back to life, because that isn't how it was. Second, our FAQ team barely serves a purpose anyway, seeing as the server only has a total of 2 quest in two years. They might need to hire one or two new people to fill an empty timezone.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Concerning GPs

I'll have to agree with you on this one, the GP team is a little lacking but even then, there is barely anything that the GPs are needed for nowadays since the use of most of these new functions prevent hacking to a high degree. Bell is the best thing that has happened to the GP team, and why she hasn't replaced Stryker is beyond me. Whenever I break a rule, she somehow gets wind of it, and punishes me for the infraction.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I'm sorry for breaking any forum rules, but I just wanted to set the record straight from someone who is a bit more knowledgeable on what is going on.

Please don't pretend you're the most informed player on Classic. I talk to staff members and they tell me what they think, and how everything is progressing. I don't run around spouting complete falsehoods, I try to backup what I say for the most part.

Massokre should of stepped down long ago, he has long abused his rights and has been careful about getting caught since he was almost fired for trying to give another player a seizure (which I have yet to find out what his punishment was for this, a slap on the wrist?)

Now please don't write anymore threads claiming you're an unbiased view, when you aren't. Your thread was like all the others, trying to take a shot at someone. In this case, it was Kevin and myself.

[nikomi946]

The biggest problem with both Kevin and Max is they don't know when to stop. They both have at times had reasonable complaints but most often want instant results that just aren't possible. The harrassment usually comes in because they can both be stubborn as hell and won't listen to reason. Its either their way or its wrong. We have no current rule against multiple jailings leading to a ban but they've both been victim to me increasing standard sentencing. I agree they are a constant drain on the morale of the players. They rarely have anything constructive to add, just complaints. I believe that if they wish to continue to be so anti classic. They should be removed from Classic completely. I honestly don't see why they wish to stay if they feel its such a horrible place to play.

I haven't checked the logs to be positive but I'm pretty sure that DC is right in the number of times they've been jailed. One of them that I won't name has even told me he doesn't care about the server or what happens to him as far as jailings go. Which only makes me feel a punishment more severe is called for.

[Mafukie]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

The biggest problem with both Kevin and Max is they don't know when to stop. They both have at times had reasonable complaints but most often want instant results that just aren't possible. The harrassment usually comes in because they can both be stubborn as hell and won't listen to reason. Its either their way or its wrong. We have no current rule against multiple jailings leading to a ban but they've both been victim to me increasing standard sentencing. I agree they are a constant drain on the morale of the players. They rarely have anything constructive to add, just complaints. I believe that if they wish to continue to be so anti classic. They should be removed from Classic completely. I honestly don't see why they wish to stay if they feel its such a horrible place to play.

I haven't checked the logs to be positive but I'm pretty sure that DC is right in the number of times they've been jailed. One of them that I won't name has even told me he doesn't care about the server or what happens to him as far as jailings go. Which only makes me feel a punishment more severe is called for.

I think this game needs me now more than ever! Someone give me some power

[Polo]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Another issue that concerns me is the two crippled staff divisions and their administrators that have been inactive or barely active for months. These two divisions are FAQ and GP. Both Thermo and Stryker are online once every two weeks at best, with Thermo disappearing for a couple months previously. Both FAQ and GP have had 2-5 active members for about a year. These administrators have not been dealt with Storm visibly at all, and when I try to approach him on this issue(I personally, don't like to see FAQ, a division I brought back from 3 to 17 members in 2001, go back to what it was), he blows me off, and with no Asst. Manager, there is no second person to go to.

Just because they are not on RC, doen't mean I dont have contact with them. Theres often good reasons why people may need to dissapear to lengths at a time.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

However, Storm in my opinion, is very hard pressed to get to make decisions such as these. I myself have talked to Storm about big events projects such as a serverwide guild war, only to be blown off by an "I'll think about it", and not hear about it again for months.

Huh? I gave you an answer. If you didn't think I had, you should have just reasked me.

[Shaun]

Classic is and has been on a downward spiral. People only stay for the memories now. After it goes, then what? UN? Era? Ha.

Is it too late to be fixed, or is there still hope?

[-Ching]

Originally Posted by Polo

Just because they are not on RC, doen't mean I dont have contact with them. Theres often good reasons why people may need to dissapear to lengths at a time.

Drop the crappy excuses, for gods sake.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

The biggest problem with both Kevin and Max is they don't know when to stop. They both have at times had reasonable complaints but most often want instant results that just aren't possible. The harrassment usually comes in because they can both be stubborn as hell and won't listen to reason. Its either their way or its wrong. We have no current rule against multiple jailings leading to a ban but they've both been victim to me increasing standard sentencing. I agree they are a constant drain on the morale of the players. They rarely have anything constructive to add, just complaints. I believe that if they wish to continue to be so anti classic. They should be removed from Classic completely. I honestly don't see why they wish to stay if they feel its such a horrible place to play.

What rules are we specifically breaking by not enjoying play on a server, then stating we don't?
EDIT: Do these stricter sentences fall under being jailed for a week for massing out:
"She had dumps like a truck"?
Before being jailed for that, I am sure I hadn't been jailed for ~2-3 months

I haven't checked the logs to be positive but I'm pretty sure that DC is right in the number of times they've been jailed. One of them that I won't name has even told me he doesn't care about the server or what happens to him as far as jailings go. Which only makes me feel a punishment more severe is called for.

These numbers are startlingly inaccurate.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by nikomi946

They both have at times had reasonable complaints but most often want instant results that just aren't possible.

I don't expect instant results, I expect results in general, and through recent events, we have yet to see any punishment handed down to an abusive admin, who has had many complaints against him, and has been caught in the past for the same type of stunts.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

Its either their way or its wrong.

In this case, I do expect things to be done, I mean kevin and myself have brought forth some serious problems and haven't seen anything done about it. Instead we were labeled 'troublesome' because we decided to express our disgust on how the server was run, instead of taking it up the rear like everyone else. Now anything we say is discarded.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

I agree they are a constant drain on the morale of the players.

I'm sorry seargant, I'll drop and give you 20. Seriously this isn't an army, if anyone dislikes what I say, put me on ignore, goes with staff too, I don't honestly care.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

They rarely have anything constructive to add, just complaints.

Thank you Miss Uninformed. I actually still try to contribute, if you asked around, Massokre/Storm might even verify, I report a lot of bugs, I was the one who caught the bug where playerkills/deaths weren't updated correctly. I also suggest a number of improvements to things, and I used to be involved in actual bug testing of certain levels.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

I believe that if they wish to continue to be so anti classic. They should be removed from Classic completely.

I hardly think of myself as anti-classic, and no, I don't think myself as pro-classic either. I am just like a critic, who informs the viewers of the faults a service provides. Granted, I can be a little extreme, but I haven't found a better way to communicate to others the server's shortcomings.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

I honestly don't see why they wish to stay if they feel its such a horrible place to play.

This may sound odd but I've played classic for quite some time, where exactly do you expect me to play? I am not about to give up on the server I've been a part of for so long. Sure you could tell me to just simply quit playing, but honestly that isn't a very acceptable solution.

Originally Posted by nikomi946

I haven't checked the logs to be positive but I'm pretty sure that DC is right in the number of times they've been jailed.

I don't think I've been jailed since back in March for the two weeks you nailed me on massing out those links, maybe one other time, that I can sort of recall.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

About a year and half ago, Massokre had been employed on Classic as a GC LAT. One day, he logged on, and dumped his ticket count into Urban. I and a few others witnessed this and reported this. I was on RC when he was fired. I spoke with him on AIM. He was, indeed, at that point in time, ready to quit Graal. However, I was not willing to see a great scripter leave the game, so I immediately offered him free reign to test as he pleased on my server, so he could regain good standing with Classic.

Selflon was sacked not much longer after this event. Massokre became the new LAT Admin (using stuff he had deved on my server.) I congratulated him.

After another period of time, I applied for the LAT team (my second term). When I was hired, I was given a menial assignment. Time restrictions and difficulties in real life kept me from getting anywhere close to doing work on the assignment. I attempt to hand in my resignation, knowing it will benefit the LAT team if they don't have to rely on me.

However, GrowlZ and Storm would not let me quit my LAT post. Massokre had appearently told them to keep me on the team regardless of what I said. When I had the oppurtunity to speak with Massokre, I gave him the aforementioned reasons as to why I want to quit. He shortly after said
"I am giving you the torture NPC."

Torture NPC indeed. It rapidly changed patterns and colors. I felt dazed quickly, saying "I don't feel well" to Massokre. His rough response was "Finish the Kull's script." After having Globals intervene, Massokre was banned for a short period of time. He was later reinstated has if NOTHING had happened.

I suppose you could say his grudge against me began here.

A few weeks later, another NPC was given to me. It made pics1.png appear in all levels off the gmap. It took a week for staff to figure out what went wrong. Stryker threatened to permanently ban me at first, saying I was exploiting in some fashion. He later never fully apologized, when personally looking through my client.strings list, and finding things had been tampered with.

And now the event the other day. Using an NPC that everyone on Classic except Master Storm seems to know about, he changed my nickname to something quite inappropriate, also including a clause requesting that said "Ban me already!!!!!" As I told Master Storm what had happened, a GP jails me. I protest when no action is taken afterward, even after Globals and Storm look into it.

Massokre attempted to gain support of players last night. His very statement:

Originally Posted by Massokre

I am leaving LAT until Kevin is permanently banned from Classic for his long
history of repeated offenses of harassment and creating false accusations to
complicate the moving forth of Classic.

As for the people saying that maximus should be banned, however, I disagree.
I have a lot more respect for him than most others.

EDIT:
I assure you, DC, it's not as substantial as you'll believe.


Who deserves to be banned. Myself, or him?

[DarkCloud_PK]

You HAVE been jailed that many times, the instance where you massed "She dumps like a truck", you were jailed for massing it around 30-40 times in a 2 minute period. You know how I know? I'm the one that sees it that you two idiots are jailed half the time, and I've reported both of you for things that have lead to jailings at least 10 times to Bell, and those are just from me. Do you really need Bell to come with the jail logs to prove you are a nussiance?

[darkriders_p2p]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

That was just today.
You HAVE been jailed that many times, the instance where you massed "She dumps like a truck", you were jailed for massing it around 30-40 times in a 2 minute period. You know how I know? I'm the one that sees it that you two idiots are jailed half the time, and I've reported both of you for things that have lead to jailings at least 10 times to Bell, and those are just from me. Do you really need Bell to come with the jail logs to prove you are a nussiance?

I honestly can't believe I'm writing a reply to this message. Your thread went from, "What is wrong with Classic, from my perspective" to "Lets take pot shots and Maximus and Kevin". It was obvious you made this thread to reply to the previously closed thread that Massokre made.

You continue to mention my past activities, I know they weren't perfect, and I have decided to 'cease and desist' for the most part. Over the passed month and a half, I think I've been pretty good, I have chosen to leave players alone, unless they provoke me, and I have even tried to make nice with Sammy (I haven't formally apologized to her, which I should, but I've carried on several conversations with her, that were actually fairly pleasant, even borderline friendly). The worst thing that I've done recently might have been the posts on the forums, but in my eyes nothing was being done by Storm, nor and PWA, and I was a little angry so I kept bringing it up to reply to Massokre's posts. He isn't a bad guy, I think he is a stand up fellow, but my complaints are against the way he does his job. Same thing for Storm.

Go ahead and bring out your jail logs. All it will prove is that neither Kevin or I have been jailed 'every week' like you claim we are.

Oh as for your statement about Kevin's mass message, I quite like how you picked it out, considering the original offensive statement was from Jay. You people just like to pick out the things we've done to strengthen your cause but you almost always leave out the part where someone else either initiated it, or was doing worse at the time. Oh and not to make Jay look like a bad guy, Kevin and him usually talk that way, I think they're friends. I could be mistaken.

[Darlene159]

Stop making these threads.
Attacking people never does any good, and only causes more harm, as has been done already.
Just stop.....