Graal Messenger.

[Mykel]

>=/
NOVA.

How far along is it, and when will it be done?
>=/
*starts riot*
:grrr:

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Mykel
>=/
NOVA.

How far along is it, and when will it be done?
>=/
*starts riot*
:grrr:

It seems today is the day alot of people anticipate when projects will be done.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Mykel
>=/
NOVA.

How far along is it, and when will it be done?
>=/
*starts riot*
:grrr:

Why doesn't Nova just help the Trillian people incorporate a Graal messanger into Trillian itself? One that'll load the list of people on every playerworld. I guess Graal would have to work with this to make it work? Have it so you can tell who's not playing, but is only on messanger. And make it so those people can be muted from the server (unless banning is actually necessary...though the only thing after being muted would be their name, and their name should be displayed to graal players as the graal account name...). Oh, I know! A VIP and gold feature!

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Why doesn't Nova just help the Trillian people incorporate a Graal messanger into Trillian itself? One that'll load the list of people on every playerworld. I guess Graal would have to work with this to make it work? Have it so you can tell who's not playing, but is only on messanger. And make it so those people can be muted from the server (unless banning is actually necessary...though the only thing after being muted would be their name, and their name should be displayed to graal players as the graal account name...). Oh, I know! A VIP and gold feature!

But why should they he use trillian? He already has started working on his own program, I think switching to an already made chat client is too late for now. Besides, what if Trillian doesn't even accept this? Trillian would most likely be looking for something that would attract all kinds of internet users, not something that maybe only 100 or so people will want to use.

[Projectshifter]

I'll talk to Stefan and Unix when I get a chance. Perhaps it'll be in the new version where we could incorporate such a thing. It would probably be less of a server-chat thing though. It would not be possible at this time to have a client connect and be able to send PMs because you'd have to be in a level (RC is special). Perhaps though we could make something that uses your graal username and pass and is a messenger system and can bring up the serverlist and things to see what's going on, a playerlist would take a bit of work and incorporation into the new exe I'm sure. I bet with the right help we could make something that is able to have RC functions and you could log into the fileserver or NPC Server of a GServer (with proper rights of course) and do stuff. Would make it a lot easier for people who have multiple RC's (i.e. globals )
---Shifter

[NovaNET]

If you want a copy there is a alpha version on fileplanet.com it was the first version i released of graal messenger.

Here is the rundown:

Finished Work:
1) Classic GUI (1.0 GUI)
2) Classic Client Alpha Version For Windows 95/98/2000/XP/2003
Details: My alpha classic client worked fully but requires some additions explained below.

Need's To Be Finished:
1)GUI 2.0
2) 2.0 Client - Will include options described in details plus the code will be able to be compiled on MacOSX, Linux or Unix and aswell have compatibility with all windows platforms including the new Microsoft Unix Flavor coming out.
3) 2.0 Server - 2.0 server is getting a major overhaul mainly new admin tools to better track accounts and connections.
Details: New features: *Nix compatibility, Trillian Plug-In (Perhaps), Integrated Graal Stats & News, Messenger to Graal Messaging, ICQ Style Offline Messaging.


Notice: Graal Messenger is the exclusive property of Nova Group a legally registered Non-Profit Software Development Org. Nova Group is registered with the IRS and is a NON-DEFINED NON-PROFIT ORG registered in delaware in 1999. You must obtain written consent from Me or any developers of the project to use the name thereof or the properties of our org.

[NovaNET]

If you want a copy there is a alpha version on fileplanet.com it was the first version i released of graal messenger.

Here is the rundown:

Finished Work:
1) Classic GUI (1.0 GUI)
2) Classic Client Alpha Version For Windows 95/98/2000/XP/2003
Details: My alpha classic client worked fully but requires some additions explained below.

Need's To Be Finished:
1)GUI 2.0
2) 2.0 Client - Will include options described in details plus the code will be able to be compiled on MacOSX, Linux or Unix and aswell have compatibility with all windows platforms including the new Microsoft Unix Flavor coming out.
3) 2.0 Server - 2.0 server is getting a major overhaul mainly new admin tools to better track accounts and connections.
Details: New features: *Nix compatibility, Trillian Plug-In (Perhaps), Integrated Graal Stats & News, Messenger to Graal Messaging, ICQ Style Offline Messaging.

Estimated Time For Beta Final Release: September 10th, 2003
Estimated Time For Stable Release: October 1st, 2003

Since graal messenger was just a side hobby to test some new protocols and packages developed by friends of mine in my hometown i havent put any priority in dedicating alot of time towards it.


Notice: Graal Messenger is the exclusive property of Nova Group a legally registered Non-Profit Software Development Org. Nova Group is registered with the IRS and is a NON-DEFINED NON-PROFIT ORG registered in delaware in 1999. You must obtain written consent from Me or any developers of the project to use the name thereof or the properties of our org.

[superb]

Originally posted by NovaNET
If you want a copy there is a alpha version on fileplanet.com it was the first version i released of graal messenger.

Here is the rundown:

Finished Work:
1) Classic GUI (1.0 GUI)
2) Classic Client Alpha Version For Windows 95/98/2000/XP/2003
Details: My alpha classic client worked fully but requires some additions explained below.

Need's To Be Finished:
1)GUI 2.0
2) 2.0 Client - Will include options described in details plus the code will be able to be compiled on MacOSX, Linux or Unix and aswell have compatibility with all windows platforms including the new Microsoft Unix Flavor coming out.
3) 2.0 Server - 2.0 server is getting a major overhaul mainly new admin tools to better track accounts and connections.
Details: New features: *Nix compatibility, Trillian Plug-In (Perhaps), Integrated Graal Stats & News, Messenger to Graal Messaging, ICQ Style Offline Messaging.

Estimated Time For Beta Final Release: September 10th, 2003
Estimated Time For Stable Release: October 1st, 2003

Since graal messenger was just a side hobby to test some new protocols and packages developed by friends of mine in my hometown i havent put any priority in dedicating alot of time towards it.


Notice: Graal Messenger is the exclusive property of Nova Group a legally registered Non-Profit Software Development Org. Nova Group is registered with the IRS and is a NON-DEFINED NON-PROFIT ORG registered in delaware in 1999. You must obtain written consent from Me or any developers of the project to use the name thereof or the properties of our org.

UGH...you double posted and are making us dig through fileplanet to find it. Why not just post a link?

[Christian]

"MSWINSCK.OCX on one of its dependencies not Correctly registred: a file is missing or invalid" -fixed

I am uploading it to my ftp
Gamespy is evil

wait,
I'll need to enter my Graal ID and password?

if you have a gamespy id :
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/119385.shtml
if not:
http://www.graalownaz.de/hosting/dow..._messenger.zip

[brock128]

Do not use this program.

Entering a graal id and password is asking for doom.

[marcoR]

I used it, trusting nova, no big deal really, tho i didn't have zonealarm open and; seeing as it doesn't "really" connect, i'll have ot check. don't take it personal, but i'm paranoid

[superb]

I don't trust nova after all the negativity he's been spouting here.

[thelostviking]

Can anyone describe the function of the graal messenger to me?
You log on with your account and its like only the member thingie (f7)?
Or does it include stuff like aim and more =P.
If yes you could use the gaim source and simply add graal (i dunno if something like this is possible but oh well).
Well 4 words, its your free time.

[Christian]

Its simply AIM just called Graal Messenger

[TribulationStaff]

Eh, I think Nova would be in a bit of a problem with the government if he registered the software under a non-profit organization and he used it to to fraudulently obtain paid accounts.

[NovaNET]

No, You use a username and password i create for you in a day or two ill have my signup page for my beta final test until then closed beta.

Originally posted by Christian
"MSWINSCK.OCX on one of its dependencies not Correctly registred: a file is missing or invalid" -fixed

I am uploading it to my ftp
Gamespy is evil

wait,
I'll need to enter my Graal ID and password?

if you have a gamespy id :
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/119385.shtml
if not:
http://www.graalownaz.de/hosting/dow..._messenger.zip

[NovaNET]

Currently yes its just a standalone AIM like messenger customized with graal graphics its own server and protocols. But in beta final the final additions will be added such as custom graal smilies, graal news, graal stats, graal messenger to graal messaging which means you send a message to any graal account and it will deliver it to them on graal. Plus icq style offline messaging. The client will not connect anywhere it's set to connect to 127.0.0.1 or localhost at this time. I welcome you all to be patient and wait for the beta final test then you can all try it out online. Please post any suggestions!

Originally posted by Christian
Its simply AIM just called Graal Messenger

[thelostviking]

Cool iam seeing forward =D!
Well perhaps you could try to implent it to gaim later xD!

[NovaNET]

I know the GAIM and KIT developers personally met them at linuxworld. I will be making a customized client based of GAIM source and KIT source and will be getting help from the gaim team and from the gnome team to work on it.

[thelostviking]

Cool iam seeing forward =D!

[Myomoto]

This shounds very nice :]

[NovaNET]

Yeah Kurt from the Gnome team who i met at LinuxWorld as he was hopping onto the wifi hotspot looking for the rest of the gnome developers. he said he would be more then happy to help.

[adam]

Originally posted by NovaNET
Yeah Kurt from the Gnome team who i met at LinuxWorld as he was hopping onto the wifi hotspot looking for the rest of the gnome developers. he said he would be more then happy to help.

You goto Linuxworld and develop in Visual Basic.. Interesting.

Unless there is winsocks for other languates too.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by adam
Unless there is winsocks for other languates too.

Winsocks is just a part of Windows. VB can talk to it, but C is better at doing so.

[superb]

Originally posted by adam


You goto Linuxworld and develop in Visual Basic.. Interesting.

Unless there is winsocks for other languates too.

Me and Ibonic found that very amusing as well.

[NovaNET]

First off i hardly use VB anymore... the reason the beta was coded in VB was because at the time i was doing course work in college and was taking the CIS 18 class which is the visual basic segment of the CIS Associate of Science Degree and VB happens to be a required course for a CIS degree in california. Secondly i hardly ever use VB now i have the IDE installed for .NET but havent opened it for two months. I am using C for the new graal messenger and the IDE of my choice being DevC++. And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

Originally posted by adam


You goto Linuxworld and develop in Visual Basic.. Interesting.

Unless there is winsocks for other languates too.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by NovaNET
could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

And I'm sure you'll have us believe that someone else started your fanclub.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by NovaNET
First off i hardly use VB anymore... the reason the beta was coded in VB was because at the time i was doing course work in college and was taking the CIS 18 class which is the visual basic segment of the CIS Associate of Science Degree and VB happens to be a required course for a CIS degree in california. Secondly i hardly ever use VB now i have the IDE installed for .NET but havent opened it for two months. I am using C for the new graal messenger and the IDE of my choice being DevC++. And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

Go Ben! LOLz. DevC++ is nice, but I think mine is missing some dependencies because it doesn't compile worth anything... I keep coding it in DevC++, and when things won't compile I go to visualC++ and compiling =*( It sucks =/
---Shifter

[Python523]

Originally posted by NovaNET
First off i hardly use VB anymore... the reason the beta was coded in VB was because at the time i was doing course work in college and was taking the CIS 18 class which is the visual basic segment of the CIS Associate of Science Degree and VB happens to be a required course for a CIS degree in california. Secondly i hardly ever use VB now i have the IDE installed for .NET but havent opened it for two months. I am using C for the new graal messenger and the IDE of my choice being DevC++. And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

Dude, all he did was state something he found funny, you didn't have to give us your life story for that, No I am not bashing you so don't waste your time typing up an essay on how I am not as qualified as you or whatever but you need to cool down, you're way too defensive

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by NovaNET
And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone?

Uh...? Money is not a prerequisite for correctness.

[adam]

Originally posted by NovaNET
First off i hardly use VB anymore... the reason the beta was coded in VB was because at the time i was doing course work in college and was taking the CIS 18 class which is the visual basic segment of the CIS Associate of Science Degree and VB happens to be a required course for a CIS degree in california. Secondly i hardly ever use VB now i have the IDE installed for .NET but havent opened it for two months. I am using C for the new graal messenger and the IDE of my choice being DevC++. And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

geez don't take it personally.

I just assumed you would be more likely to use something other than VB if you were into Linux.


Didn't mean anything by it.

[Shiftk03-]

Originally posted by NovaNET
*insert lots of words here*

If you want to get into people's career life, I got my BLT at KFC but I stole the yacht and had a coupon for the million dollar hookers. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself x.x

[superb]

Originally posted by NovaNET
First off i hardly use VB anymore... the reason the beta was coded in VB was because at the time i was doing course work in college and was taking the CIS 18 class which is the visual basic segment of the CIS Associate of Science Degree and VB happens to be a required course for a CIS degree in california. Secondly i hardly ever use VB now i have the IDE installed for .NET but havent opened it for two months. I am using C for the new graal messenger and the IDE of my choice being DevC++. And my reasons for going to linuxworld should hardly be criticized by you could you shell out $499 for a General Pass alone? let alone the $1398 i spent for two days at linuxworld. And just to go more in depth were you offered a job by LinuxWorld Magizines Chief Editor also the Editor at Syscon and a executive for techtv... or is a article being done in ComputerWorld magizine about you and your co-workers being some of the "Elitest' SysAdmins in the Bay/Silicon Valley Area.

Yes, let us worship the great Nova.

Get a life dude and stop taking things so seriously. It was a joke and no one was questioning your credentials or skills.

[HoudiniMan]

Do you guys just read eachother's posts and decide to make the same point?
The last 4 posts or so said the same thing, lol... :|

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Tseng


And I'm sure you'll have us believe that someone else started your fanclub.

Actually, that was probably me. If not, I at least joined it and become president

That recently interfered with being in yours though. Don't worry, I havn't quit...I just havn't been able to attend the meetings while being at the other's ;D

[WarLord2004]

Hmmm sounds neat but i could hardly care less. Cause even after it's been released unixmad always find a way to make extra cash. So i belive you would need a gold account in order to use this or some new pay plan system like VIP in order to access it. Cause if nova is adding features for us to send messages to a account on graal, anything to do with graal must cost money. There's already a rumour going around soon you would need a gold or vip account to be staff on any server? Graal makes me mad

[Christian]

Originally posted by WarLord2004
There's already a rumour going around soon you would need a gold or vip account to be staff on any server? Graal makes me mad

You need a Gold/Vip Account to be Staff..

[Neoreno]

Gold/VIP to be staff on any private payerworld. Otherwise, just classic.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Graal should just charge yearly all together, and have an amount of days trial based system. It's getting frusterating when you pay for a gold account, and you keep losing more features (like G2k1 going classic).

[NovaNET]

The removed their AUP/TOS page .... and such since they updated the site. Thus anyone purchasing VIP or Gold since couldnt legally be held to such terms. And since they advertise certain options and recently changed their mind about just about everything they have breeched a agreement with the majority of graal's players.

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
Graal should just charge yearly all together, and have an amount of days trial based system. It's getting frusterating when you pay for a gold account, and you keep losing more features (like G2k1 going classic).