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I understand the dynamic around this principle, but it is really not so dynamic. You chose to take this job, and you choose to stay with it. However, what is your motive behind doing it? Personal gain, or helping the community? If it is personal gain, then there's no real discussion here, but if it's the community, then there is.
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My motive is to help the owners of Graal, which I believe to be what is best for the community. Again, if I didn't agree with it, I would not do it.
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I will take an example from my personal life to give an example of how one can still hold a position, but not do things which are not ethically sound. At MOSI, as I'm sure you've heard, there is a "BODIES" exhibit. I think it is morally abhorrent that they took bodies without consent for this exhibit. In my Anatomy and Physiology class, they gave 20 extra credit points to people who went to the exhibit (basically, this is the same as two quizzes). I abstained.
Did I go because my professor told me to? No, and a lot more was/is at stake than a trivial position on the forums. Sure, I could have said to myself, "Well, it's school and my grades are involved, so my personal feelings shouldn't get in the way of how I do my job, which is to be a successful student," but I didn't.
Moral of the story? Don't just listen to people because they are in positions of authority, especially if you have nothing to gain and only something trivial to lose. Again, who are you doing this for?
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I assume that you did not go, because it was something that you did not agree with.
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do agree with the job that I am doing. That is the difference.
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Originally Posted by protagonist
Okay, but that doesn't change how the NGRT forums should be operated. They do not and should not use the NGRT for information purposes because it is not graal related. They can get their other news elsewhere.
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To an extent, you are right, but the NGRT is still a part of the Graal forums.
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We could take a poll, if you want.
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Already been done. A poll is not going to accurately show anything unless every single member of the forums (whether they post or not) were to participate in the poll.
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It isn't just a few anymore. The numbers have expanded far beyond what they once were. It isn't because other people are changing, it is because your moderation is becoming more and more aggressive.
Unixmad does not have a collar and leash on you. I am sure that if you did not close a thread, it would probably go completely unnoticed. He is not holding a gun to your head and probably could not care less about what goes on here.
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If Unixmad couldn't care less what goes on here, he would not have hired me with the reason being that I am strict, and would run the forums as he wished. I will say it again: I don't do this simply because Unixmad tells me to, I do it because I agree with it. If I did not agree with it, I would quit so he could find someone who would.
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It is not fair to take a job and then doing it to the extreme that many members of the community are calling for you to stop it. These forums exist for the community, the community doesn't exist for the forums.
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Yes, these forums exist for the community. They also exist for the community because the owner made them
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Do you consider limiting reasonable discussion good moderating?
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Reasonable discussions are fine, and are not bothered.
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We aren't getting anywhere. As long as you continue to consider yourself Unixmad's lapdog, which is not an attack on you or unixmad, then we can't really discuss your policy. You are allowed to have a soul and do your job. In fact, people will only respect you if you show some backbone. Constantly citing Unixmad as your master is not going to earn you any respect points with anyone.
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You can think that I am Unixmad's lapdog just because I am doing a job for him that I happen to agree with if you like, although I fail to see how that makes me a lapdog.
You know, if I think Unixmad is wrong on an issue, I will tell him. In fact, I have recently.
If I didn't have a backbone, the members of this forum would walk all over me, and get by with it.
As soon as you realize that I am doing the job as I am because it is the way Unixmad wants it, and that I continue to do it because I agree with it, I can stop saying it.