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ETD 04-12-2004 07:23 PM

No-one's forcing you to read this:
 
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As a begining note, I know this post will be long, but I will try to keep it organized, and not ramble, thank you for your patience.

The first topic:
End of Ages - N-Pulse merge
Well, this is going to be the biggest topic of my post, and the one which most people might want to read about. End of Ages, and N-Pulse WERE going to merge... till thismorning. Yes, I know I lied when I said it wasn't going to happen... that was to keep it a suprise... I wanted us to be able to upload it, and supprise everyone with all sorts of cool new stuff. Ducati and I had agreed to this several weeks ago, and had been working together over this time to figure out how the class system would work, and all sorts of other details. We had been discussing a merge since almost the start of this year, so we had worked out a lot of the details beforehand, and by no means rushed into this. (not after several months of negotiations.)
So did I say it was canceled? oh yes, I did, and I will try to explain the details as objectivly as I can. Thismorning Ducati (manager of n-pulse at the time) announced that she was quitting staff, and graal mostly, and was leaving Juli (former Co-Manager) incharge. I asked her what would happen of the merge, since all talks about it had been between her and myself. Ducati told me that everything that happened now would be up to Juli. So I talked to Juli, and she said the merge was off. We discussed things, but there was nothing even close to a possibility that she was going to allow the merge to happen. I then asked Ducati if my server could use her Private server Zhalla for development, since our hosting time is running out in about a week. She said she had no control over that, and it was up to Juli (even though Ducati paid for it). See, I did not worry about finding some way to pay for End of Ages, because we were going to move all work to Zhalla, and let End of Ages expire...

That brings us to Topic 2:
The future of End of Ages
Well, as of now, I am totally unmotivated. I spent this whole past weekend working on merging our overworlds, and making the map.txt work, and planning... only to find all my work go to waste, because of the end of the merger. Motivation WAS at an all-time high this past weekend... things were getting done, and it actually looked like we could be ready by summer. Now things are low as can be. I have begun negotiations to merge EoA with Babylon. We would use our overworld (add some of the main babylon levels to it), and ofcourse keep all their wonderfull events ;) at this point the negotiated server name would be 'Ages of Babylon' mostly to denote the change. As of who will be manager and stuff, don't worry, I doubt I will even ask to be a manager, so there will be no power struggle or anything... I just want all our hard work to be put to use somewhere, and not die.
Keep in mind that this merger with babylon is only possible since we have not agreed on anything, and there is a very good chance it won't happen. In the case that the merge does not happen, EoA will be officially dead, and I will not allow any server, or anyone to use it's work, tileset, or levels. If this happens, I am sorry... and I really hope it works out with Babylon. This is not a plea for attention, I am not asking for people to tryout for staff... either this merge works, or EoA is dead, bottom line.

Topic 3:
Future of N-Pulse
Well, the future is unclear, and I will try not to speak much on this topic, since it will probably be seen as untastefull. But I will speak my opinion anyways, and you can take it or leave it, again, no-one's forcing you to read this.
If you view the map I have attached, you can see what the merged overworld would have looked like... A very beautifull thing I think. Now, if you take off the top (the area which is un-detailed) that is ALL the work they have done with their new overworld... the whole bottom (almost finnished) section is End of Ages. the fact is that N-Pulse only has like 2 or 3 LAT's.... Ducati is gone now, and Juli is manager. Not trying to insult her in any way, but she is not a developer, and so I'm not all too confident on her abilities to lead in the development of a *basically* new server. As far as scripters go, they have Past Austin, Sage, and nerv I think... Sage has great ideas, and ability... but lacks the attention span to finnish scripts, as well as the motivation to start them usually (not trying to insult him, we're friends), Past Austin has been away from graal so long, he has to re-learn scripting almost... and Nerv hasn't logged in, in over a month as far as I know.
All this isn't making N-Pulse's future look all too bright. We may have been able to finnish before summer, with the combined staff working on it, but now I doubt they'd be able to finnish by the end of the summer. I thought n-pulse deserved to stay public, since the new update was coming soon... (in about 2 months we had planned), but now it'll be at least 5 months, even if they get extra help... so I don't see why they shouldn't be sent into the hosted tab. Anyways, that is all I will say on that subject.

Now to my final topic, and hardest to write about,
Topic 4:
My reputation
It seems that some people have suggested that the only reason why I tried to merge with n-pulse, was to try to take it over, because I am powerhungry, and only want things done my way. Also, people have suggested that I have some master plan to gain more power in the graal community. All of these things are false, but it's hard to convince these people otherwise, since they already see me as a lier. Well, the people who know me best know I am not power hungry, and know I am not in this for control. I started End of Ages, because I had an idea which I wanted to see on graal, as I think is the same for a lot of server founders. I do not wish N-Pulse dead, I only wanted to help. Ducati worked with me near the begining of EoA, and I knew we had similar ideas on how our servers should turn out... I desided to help both of us by asking for a merge. Both sides needed more staff to finnish what they wanted done, and with the combined staff we could have been done by summer. Anyways, I brought up the merger 2 times... we discussed, and it was turned down both times. About a month went by, (this was right after I made that thread about EoA dieing), and I brought up the merger to Ducati again, and we discussed, and we agreed... but then I got all those posts from people willing to help End of Ages with scripting, and I made a very bad choice, and withdrew from the merger right before we would have made it official. then a few weeks ago Ducati and myself were talking, and through conversation we got to the topic of the merge again, and then we found ourselves both wanting it, but somehow unable to agree... so we talked like all day, and finally agreed that it was the best thing for both servers.
Before anyone disagrees with that statment, think again, because not many people actually know the full details of what was planned, and so unless you knew what the new n-pulse was going to be like, try not to insult it, k?

Anyways, I find myself going off track... so I'll end the post now. If you read this whole thing, thank you very much... and if not, then that was your choice... but please try not to just flame me for what I said, ok? If you disagree, then that's your opinion, and you can state that opinion, but I don't want to get into an argument over details, or something like that
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osrs 04-12-2004 07:39 PM

I just wish you good luck in any decision that you're gonna take.

Destorm 04-12-2004 08:05 PM

Re: No-one's forcing you to read this:
 
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Originally posted by ETD
End of Ages - N-Pulse merge
npulse players said no, k thanks.
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Originally posted by ETD
(even though Ducati paid for it).
DS paid for it

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Originally posted by ETD
but she is not a developer,
and you are?

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Originally posted by ETD
My reputation
sucks

... I could say more but I've got to go develope npulse ;-) enjoy your server ... lol

thesaiyan 04-12-2004 08:51 PM

Wow, thats one big friggin' map.. Looks nice also.

Good luck with everything.

ETD 04-12-2004 08:55 PM

Re: Re: No-one's forcing you to read this:
 
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Originally posted by Destorm

npulse players said no, k thanks.

Eh, I don't think their opinion counts till they knew anything about what the final product would have been. If they knew our fill plans, and didn;t like it afterwards, then I'd understand... but people were against it because of people massing things like "merger would kill n-pulse" and such, and people just went with the flow, like they usually do. When the 'rumor' started, I got MANY messages from people who supported the merge... you only know of the people who were against it, because they sat and massed stuff a bunch.
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Originally posted by Destorm

DS paid for it

I thought so too, but I asked Ducati, and she said that she paid for it...
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Originally posted by Destorm

and you are?

A Developer... I do levels, and some graphics... sure, I'm not the best at forming scripts, but I can generally understand them. Though, it would explain why EoA had such great levels, and gfx... but not as many scripts (cuz I could judge good levels and gfx... but not how good a script is) ... not to mention we had Kyle, and some great LAT's ;)
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Originally posted by Destorm

sucks

You are intitled to your opinion of what my reputation is... I don't think it's gotten too bad... I just wanted to address it before someone else desided to try to bring something like that up.
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Originally posted by Destorm
... I could say more but I've got to go develope npulse ;-) enjoy your server ... lol
Good luck with it.

--Chris-- 04-12-2004 09:08 PM

Why is the north excessively large but empty?

ETD 04-12-2004 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
Why is the north excessively large but empty?
As I said in my post, the top was n-pulse's overworld, and the bottom is EoA's overworld...

we were going to merge the 2, and finnish it all off...

but now they canceled the merger, so the top will be new n-pulse (as far as I know), and the bottom is what EoA looks like....

zell12 04-12-2004 09:51 PM

that's retarded

osrs 04-12-2004 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Your signature:that's retarded

MASTERCOLA 04-13-2004 12:07 AM

lmao End of ages wanted to merge with us

WanDaMan 04-13-2004 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by MASTERCOLA
lmao End of ages wanted to merge with us
Don't be so big headed. EOA is better than Zenkou, atleast they don't give people level 4 RC's:p

ETD 04-13-2004 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by MASTERCOLA
lmao End of ages wanted to merge with us
is that funny? I only offered it to a couple servers... if anything you should be proud to be one of the few servers I even considered merging with
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I really think this merge would have been awsome... I mean, you can see the map o.o with our combined staff we would have all that detailed, and ready by summer.... but I guess that won't happen now
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oh yea, and make note that the upper area was made by Ducati BEFORE the merge... but somehow it seemed to fit into our overworld very nicely...

Milkdude99 04-13-2004 01:07 AM

Well Eric for once try pulling some money out of your own pocket for a change instead of someone else's. Pretty sad to be an Owner/Manager of a PW and never taken a dime out of his own pocket for anything not even your own lousy upgrade on your account. Novel idea huh? Maybe then you would not have to beg on the Forums to help you out because you are a cheapo who won't spend a dime on Graal. If Graal had to rely on your support it would have shutdown long ago. Try being a real Owner/Manager and find a way out of your own pocket to pay for it , that is if you really care about EOA. :\

ETD 04-13-2004 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Try being a real Owner/Manager and find a way out of your own pocket to pay for it , that is if you really care about EOA. :\
So the only way to be a "real" Manager, is to spend money? Pfft, I don't see how spending money has anything at all to do with being a manager... and I don't care about being an 'Owner'

I MANAGE EoA, and I have for a long time, but you are right, I have never spent a penny on EoA, or for anything at all graal related for that matter...

Yes, I get by useing handouts from other people, but let this be known that I have NEVER asking for someone to pay for ANYTHING regarding EoA, or my account.... they OFFER.

It all started when YOU offered me one of your upgraded accounts... then I went to another, then another, then another... till finally someone OFFERED to upgrade my account... once the gold ran out, a week later someone else OFFERED to upgrade my account... at the same time, I was able to arrange to get about 5 of my staff's accounts upgraded by other people, because my staff could not pay for their own accounts... (again, upgraded by people who offered to help us financially)

Remember, End of Ages was started over half a year before this "Pay for a server" thing was introduced, so the thought never entered our minds that we would have to pay for any of this...

Anyways, EoA's problems have NEVER been money related... Even now... If I wanted EoA's time to be extended, people have already offered to extend it for 3 YEARS! Money isn't a problem.... We did not merge with N-Pulse due to money issues, and we are not trying to merge with Babylon due to money issues... so I don't see how the fact that I do not pay for anything myself has anything to do with it.

As for graal benifiting from my participation on graal... End of Ages has produced over $350 of income for Graal... this is all income that Graal Online NEVER would have seen without my playerworld. I am counting the hosting costs, and the cost to upgrade all of our staff accounts (I am only counting the people who upgraded for no other reason then to work on EoA)

EsCanavi 04-13-2004 01:30 AM

Re: Re: No-one's forcing you to read this:
 
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Originally posted by Destorm

npulse players said no, k thanks.

or maybe you said no ...
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Originally posted by Destorm
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Originally posted by ETD
My reputation

sucks

like urs

Senator 04-13-2004 01:35 AM

Re: Re: Re: No-one's forcing you to read this:
 
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Originally posted by EsCanavi

or maybe you said no ...

sucks


like urs

Okay, maybe they both dont have the best reputations. ;)

Milkdude99 04-13-2004 01:40 AM

Like I said Eric step up to the plate and do something for your Staff that have worked so hard for you to try to make EOA happen , stop relying on them to make it happen and YOU make it happen, you can you know so now is a good time to do it.

DarkShadows_Legend 04-13-2004 01:42 AM

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is that funny? I only offered it to a couple servers... if anything you should be proud to be one of the new servers I even considered merging with
That is a merger that would fail miserably. Zenkou is its own thing and End of Ages is way different. Besides that I am pretty sure you wouldn't get along with some of the staff at Zenkou.

ETD 04-13-2004 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Like I said Eric step up to the plate and do something for your Staff that have worked so hard for you to try to make EOA happen , stop relying on them to make it happen and YOU make it happen, you can you know so now is a good time to do it.
IM me or something, cuz I don't know what you're talking about..
o.o
and we only have like 6 staff left... and they agree with my desision to either merge with babylon, or end the project. I don't know what else I could do to help the server, unless I spent the time to learn to script myself, and then scripted all the stuff we need
o.o
but as it is, I spend several hours a day working on levels, and then I spend hours more talking to my staff, and other people about EoA related things... I don't have time to learn scripting as well... which is why we'd merge with Babylon... Alexander is an awsome scripter, and I like the system he told me he was going to make for Babylon, so I thought we might as well join together...

Anyways, seriously, IM me, or PM me (I'm on n-pulse now) and let me know what you mean
o.o

Ducati_Link 04-13-2004 07:01 AM

Okay for a start.. DS paid for Zhalla when Rai was owner. I then paid DS when I took over manager for Zhalla.. there for I paid for Zhalla.

ETD.. last night you sent me some rude crap comment that ended something like 'our friendship is over!' then logged on RC. I didn't like that.

Yes, things had happened over the weekend which have enforced me to quit and manager.. and Juli being Co-Owner of N-Pulse I see it as her duty of then becoming of N-Pulse.. am I not right there? If she didn't want to merge then so be it... what can I do about it? I did merge with you and I think EoA is a nice server. I'm not blaming anyone..but I don't see how I am to blame. Also with Zhalla.. juli showed me where you asked her to use Zhalla as a temp hosting place... and I told her that I have given the server to her and it's upto her what she would like to do. But I also said there isnt no great harm in it.

ETD 04-13-2004 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Ducati_Link
I don't see how I am to blame.
I never said you were to blame....

And the thing about the friendship, and all that, it isn't because you quit... it was because you said you could not allow me to use Zhalla for development, but then later you logged on Zhalla, and TOLD sadie to give Wan his rights back.... Last I knew, Wan didn't work for n-pulse, and was just useing Zhalla for development... yet you said you could not tell them to allow me to use it? Just didn't seem right is all. And I was a little upset at the time, because Juli and SaDiE could not give me ANY reasons why they wanted to break the merger, other than they didn't want it o.o But I saw what happened last night (thismorning for me) as you turning your back on a friend, when it was fully within your powers to help them... which is something I wouldn;t want a friend to do to me, hence when I said our friendship is over
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but anyways, that didn't need to be public... but you brought it up, so... yea, anyways, I never said you were to blame for anything o.o you quit cuz you had to quit I guess... not blaming you for anything regarding the merge ending

Ducati_Link 04-13-2004 07:28 AM

I never said you couldn't use it. I said it was upto them.. as that was a N-Pulse / EoA issue. Also you can put it on your computer.. buy your own host and then host it. As MG said.. spend a cent for once on it.

As for Wan.. his server has nothing to do with N-Pulse.. he just put it there for backup and etc. And you deleted him from Zhallas RC without asking.. as-well as most of my staff that was there.

Also the reason why SaDiE and Juli stoped the merge I do know.. and always have. I also know you know.. but I am not going to say it for your own benifit.

ETD 04-13-2004 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Ducati_Link
And you deleted him from Zhallas RC without asking.. as-well as most of my staff that was there.
I removed all non-staff from the RC list, as well as removed their rights... this was the same time that I IP protected every account, organized the staff list in the server options, andlimited Zhalla to only 3 level4 RC's (before there had been 5).

I did delete his stuff, but I made a backup, just incase he needed it.
Also, I made a backup of everyone's rights that I removed... so if you want to know what folder rights everyone had before I deleted them, I saved it in a text...

and anyways, if you know, then tell me... and if it has something to do with me personally, then that can't be true, since I offered to not be staff at all :\

Anyways, as for the merger with babylon is conserned... well, some of their staff are against it, so I doubt it will happen.... which means that probably by tomorrow all of EoA will be deleted, and will be a memory...

attached are random screenshots, and things which, if you were around for our development, might bring back some good memories of the good times we had while developing. It also includes 3 maps... really old, kinda old, and current.

maybe I'll post some more current screenshots of some of the newer stuff we have later
:(

*edit* well, the zip didn't attach
o.o
so just IM me if you want to see it...

syltburk 04-13-2004 10:17 AM

Zenkou can't even compare to EoA, I personally don't like Zenkou.


Anyways do whatever you feel is the best.

Ducati_Link 04-13-2004 12:02 PM

To do with you personaly, yes it is. They have no problem with the server itself.

WanDaMan 04-13-2004 12:40 PM

I have no problem about it, I wasn't hosting. I just kept a recent back up on Zhalla just incase my computer screws up, like it does when I work on a server. Best be safe then sorry...
And I did quite alot of NPulse..
I made all of the top of new eoa..

DarkShadows_Legend 04-13-2004 03:15 PM

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ETD.. last night you sent me some rude crap comment that ended something like 'our friendship is over!' then logged on RC. I didn't like that.
Welcome to the club. :\

ETD 04-13-2004 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Ducati_Link
To do with you personaly, yes it is. They have no problem with the server itself.
oy, that's pretty stpid since I said I'd quit if they wanted me to
-_-
oh well


and Criminal, whatcha talking about?
o.o
and Ducati, how was I rude :confused:

anyways, I'm sure a lot of this could be talked asbout in PM's or something :o

thesaiyan 04-13-2004 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan

Don't be so big headed. EOA is better than Zenkou, atleast they don't give people level 4 RC's:p

Umm, Zenkou is TOTALLY different from what EOA appears to be. If they did merge, which would be stupid, you would have one messed up server. Tilesets are way different, etc... From what I've seen so far, Zenkou is looking better than just about every other server.

syltburk 04-13-2004 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by thesaiyan


Umm, Zenkou is TOTALLY different from what EOA appears to be. If they did merge, which would be stupid, you would have one messed up server. Tilesets are way different, etc... From what I've seen so far, Zenkou is looking better than just about every other server.

You have seen nothing then, compared to other people who pay attention.

WanDaMan 04-13-2004 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by syltburk

You have seen nothing then, compared to other people who pay attention.

I guess he hasn't. But It's his choice, I believe zenkou is great, just a 'bad' manager. I don't like the marsh on Zenkou, it kind of puts me off..

Ducati_Link 04-13-2004 06:58 PM

"ETD - away: - _ - you just lost me as a friend Ducati... though I doubt you really care. You can't ask them to let me continue to develop here, but you can TELL them to let Wan to continue? How wonderfull"

For once in your life something doesn't way. You win a medal for Best Drama Queen. I find what you say there is rather rude and not needed for. Wan has nothing to do with N-Pulse and his server has nothing to do with N-Pulse. EoA and N-Pulse is a different story so I left that upto Juli to decied if she wanted it there or not. All N-Pulse related stuff on Zhalla is for her to deal with. I am only the renter of the place. It would be like me asking Es if I could host N-Pulse on EoA... and not you. Would you like that?! No I dont think you would.

You use friendships ETD. As soon as somone can do nothing for you, or does something you dont like you just throw them out. You manipulate and strategize things.

ETD 04-13-2004 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Ducati_Link
You use friendships ETD. As soon as somone can do nothing for you, or does something you dont like you just throw them out. You manipulate and strategize things.
How wrong you are.
and anyways, you're the one who is always saying how little things online mean to you... so I assumed friendships online ment little to you as well, which is why I said "I doubt you care"

besides, why are we arguing about this here? And why are you trying to bring me down by insulting me? I didn't say anything bad about you, I don't see why you need to start something like that
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lets please continue this privately?

EsCanavi 04-13-2004 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by WanDaMan

[...]I made all of the top of new eoa..

HUmm i tought lucky did it =/

Milkdude99 04-14-2004 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

lets please continue this privately?

Too intense for you Eric? Seems you don't like hearing the truth of what people think about you, thats a shame because until you can you will not move on and try to learn from it. Maybe you need to really take a good look at yourself and what you do and be honest with yourself as well as others. I don't think your a bad person just one that really needs to take a look at himself and what kind of person he really wants to be and not what you are today. If you stay the way you are now you will lead a lonely life of using and mistrusting and screwing over everyone you know , I really don't think you want to be this way so take a good long look at yourself and your actions. If you don't like what you see then change it , if you are happy with yourself then Good Luck with your life you will need it.

ETD 04-14-2004 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Too intense for you Eric?
no, I just think that a conversation about my friendship with Ducati should be taken up in private, and not posted on a forum... especially since it was turning into a conversation, with posts just going back and forth between the 2 of us...

I have no problem with people telling me what they think of me... but you know what saying negative things about someone on a forum, when they didn't ask for your opinion is? Flaming... something that you and moonie are very eager to lable things as, exept when it suits you it seems.

I find your comment about my personallity funny, since I think we used to be friends... at least when you knew who I really was... when we used to actually have conversations. Then we got into a fight or something (I think it had to do with you getting annoyed at me, and cussing me out or something) and ever since then it seems you've considered me as a pretty bad person... even though prior to the fight we were friends. I'd like to tell you now that I have looked at myself, and I have changed things I have found wrong. One thing is that now I am MUCH more honest with people than I used to be. I don't tell people what they want to hear, just to make them happy... I don't suck up to someone, just to get on their good side...

I guess being totally honest with people doesn;t win you as many friends as it could otherwise... but oh well.

The biggest problem I have, is people thinking that I am plotting something.. or that I always have some hidden motive, yet I tell people honestly what my plans are, and all that o.o I mean, you could ask me any question at all, and I'd give you a 100% honest answer... yet some people don;t believe that, and they think I'm just lieing
o.o
I haven't lied online in like a year now (at all), exept about the merge.. when I said it was a rumor... and I felt bad doing that, and still do, but I still think it was my best option at the time, and I planned on telling people I lied, when we would have actually announced the merger... That is why I asked Ducati not to say anything on the subject, so people could blame me for lieing, and not her.

anyways, I'm rambling now, so I'll stop o.o but if you want to ask me anything at all, I'll give you the full, and honest answer, I promise that... try me
(this is assuming it is a question I know the answer to)
:o

Darlene159 04-14-2004 03:20 AM

yea, this is all nice and good, but enough is enough...take it to pm's or something


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