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Crono 02-10-2005 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Incomplete. It used the water and water-edge tiles to make a semblance of a pond. But because he spoiled it with his fractalling, it doesn't look anything like anything.

How do you know? Have you seen every water-edge on every pond in the world?

He's not trying to make it look like real life, he's only using grass and water from real life in the level, the rest is in his mind. Nothing wrong with that.

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami
How do you know? Have you seen every water-edge on every pond in the world?

That is a particularly weak argument, Crono. By your logic, we can't say that anything is realistic unless we've examined every object in the world. The term becomes meaningless.

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He's not trying to make it look like real life, he's only using grass and water from real life
The two statements are inconsistent. If he doesn't want it to resemble reality, why is he evoking real-world substances and organisms and structures?

kabouter 02-10-2005 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
That is a particularly weak argument, Crono. By your logic, we can't say that anything is realistic unless we've examined every object in the world. The term becomes meaningless.



The two statements are inconsistent. If he doesn't want it to resemble reality, why is he evoking real-world substances and organisms and structures?

Omfg, stop complaining :rolleyes:

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kabouter
Omfg, stop complaining

I'm not complaining, I'm criticising. And I'll gladly stop if you'll only refrain from saying stupid things.

kabouter 02-10-2005 08:41 PM

Omfg stop criticising then..=)

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kabouter
Omfg stop criticising then..=)

I already outlined my criterion. You have not yet met it.

zell12 02-10-2005 10:26 PM

Hi. I'm Kai, I like to talk troll and prove everyone wrong.

Anyway, its fine like it is. Making it straight would degrade the level. :/

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zell12
Hi. I'm Kai, I like to talk troll and prove everyone wrong

Man, I just expressed my opinion, and then people started arguing with me. What am I supposed to do?

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Anyway, its fine like it is. Making it straight would degrade the level. :/
This assertion would perhaps carry more weight if I had not seen the kind of levels you make.

zell12 02-10-2005 10:39 PM

Would you rather having a level like that, or a level that has straight banks?

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by zell12
Would you rather having a level like that, or a level that has straight banks?

Straighter banks. I'm not talking square ponds here, I just think it looks ridiculous when every single bank tile is part of a curve.

Darlene159 02-10-2005 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zell12
Hi. I'm Kai, I like to talk troll and prove everyone wrong.

Anyway, its fine like it is. Making it straight would degrade the level. :/

I agree, I like it curvy, not boring

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
I agree, I like it curvy, not boring

Well, that is some pretty unfair representation. I do not think "boring" was one of the options.

Darlene159 02-10-2005 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Well, that is some pretty unfair representation. I do not think "boring" was one of the options.

What options? I simply said I like it because it is not boring, I hate boring levels (my opinion, of course)

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
What options?

The comparison was curvy vs not-curvy, not curvy vs boring.

protagonist 02-10-2005 11:12 PM

The laws of physics seem to not exist in this level.

The pond shouldn't run up the side of the slopey hill. Even though, conceivably, it could happen in real life, the geography of the level is unlikely. I would sandify the top of the lake.

I also agree that some of the water should be straight, but not all of it. It should be unpredictable, not all bendy.



EDIT: I before E except after C. x_x

oinknessx 02-10-2005 11:17 PM

The water looks crappy. It's utterly unrealistic, I guess I must agree with Kai. The only way water would take that shape is if someone purposely went out with a shovel and carved their yard up like that, it's just unnatural. :)

Darlene159 02-10-2005 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
The comparison was curvy vs not-curvy, not curvy vs boring.

fine
curvy=not boring
non-curvy= boring

;)

Kaimetsu 02-10-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159
fine
curvy=not boring
non-curvy= boring

You should probably let the major dictionary companies know about these developments.

zell12 02-11-2005 01:00 AM

I say we just ban you. :)

Anyway, you can't really compare Graal to real life geography because of the tiles. We dont have billions of tiles to represent all the many curves of a lake, ponds, or streams.

I've seen streams in forests with alot of curves and stuff, so... meh... :/

protagonist 02-11-2005 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12
I say we just ban you. :)

Anyway, you can't really compare Graal to real life geography because of the tiles. We dont have billions of tiles to represent all the many curves of a lake, ponds, or streams.

I've seen streams in forests with alot of curves and stuff, so... meh... :/

Well, obviously you only looked in Canadian forests.

Kaimetsu 02-11-2005 01:22 AM

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Anyway, you can't really compare Graal to real life geography because of the tiles. We dont have billions of tiles to represent all the many curves of a lake, ponds, or streams

We can't get a perfect replication of reality so therefore it's okay to make stuff more unrealistic than it has to be? There is no logic in your head.

And yeah, the Graal style purposefully moves away from realism. But it does so in the opposite direction - it makes things simpler than they are in real life. Turning ponds into fractals goes against this tradition for no good reason.

Inspiration 02-11-2005 02:08 AM

LOL @ picture


Anyway, I agree that the water is a bit over-done.
While I have seen "fractal" ponds and swamp water in real life, that goes way beyond it.

Basically, it looks too "chaotic" to look good. Take out some of the randomness, give it a little more straightness and less curves, and it would look a lot better.

zell12 02-11-2005 02:44 AM

Kai, that is a funny picture. :D

But, like I said, I have seen streams shaped similar to that. :/

protagonist 02-11-2005 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
We can't get a perfect replication of reality so therefore it's okay to make stuff more unrealistic than it has to be? There is no logic in your head.

And yeah, the Graal style purposefully moves away from realism. But it does so in the opposite direction - it makes things simpler than they are in real life. Turning ponds into fractals goes against this tradition for no good reason.

If you ever get bored with scripting, you should really consider a field in graphics.


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