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Old 08-09-2014, 12:12 PM
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Hard time tanking stronger monsters

Anybody else having a hard time tanking vamps, or even anything with really good items? I am currently 91 AC and here are my resistances:

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physical +99
magic -26
fire +30
electricity +0
cold +20
confusion +0
acid +0
drain +100
weapon magic +0
ghost hit +0
poison +0
slow +0
paralyze +0
turn undead +0
fear -100
cancellation +0
deplete +100
death +100
chaos +0
counterspell +0
god power +0
holy word +0
blind +0
life stealing +0
I used to be able to tank vamps, ever since I switched to Ogma I wasn't able to, so I switched BACK to Brigid, and now I can't even tank Ice Fiends...Wtf is going on?

Nico, I know you're going to tell me it could be anything, but I am looking for information from other players that have experienced this as well.
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:40 PM
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Yep. I can tank Ice Fiends, but not Vamp Guards or Kvasir. I'm Brigid.

I had 89 AC when I tried, 97 with HP. Still couldn't tank Guards, let alone Kvasir.
My resists:

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physical +99
magic -18
fire +5
electricity +0
cold +0
confusion +0
acid +0
drain +100
weapon magic +0
ghost hit +0
poison +0
slow +0
paralyze +0
turn undead +0
fear -25
cancellation +0
deplete +100
death +100
chaos +0
counterspell +0
god power +0
holy word +0
blind +20
life stealing +0
Last night, Jeff tanked Vamps and Kvasir with 87 AC. He's Ogma.

Alisa can tank Guards & Kvasir with 87 AC and she's Diancecht. Not sure what Alan's AC is, but he can also tank, and he's Govannon. Conq and Dripz can also tank, they're both Ogma and both have under 90 AC I believe.

Luke can also tank. He has 90 AC but I've seen him do it with 89. As of last night, he still has resists and granted spells from Brigid even though he's now Ogma.

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Old 08-09-2014, 02:58 PM
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The on-going mystery. I'm not really sure what I believe about this anymore. I used to think it was a resistance thing, but I've seen people with the same resistances as mine and followers of the same deity still struggle with tanking vamps/ice fiends/kvasir.

I've been able to tank them while I was Bile, and now as an Ogma follower as well. Orcs and Archers hit me though (apparently some people can tank archers). *shrugs*

My AC is 91 through holy possession, and here are my resists for those who are still interested.

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physical +99
magic +45
fire +45
electricity +0
cold +40
confusion +0
acid +0
drain +0
weapon magic +0
ghost hit +20
poison +30
slow +0
paralyze +0
turn undead +0
fear +0
cancellation +0
deplete +0
death +0
chaos +0
counterspell +0
god power +0
holy word +25
blind +0
life stealing +0
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Old 08-09-2014, 03:39 PM
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Kvasir and Guards actually got buffed few weeks ago (higher WC), tanking them shouldnt be possible, unless they are blinded maybe.
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I don't think you should be able to tank anything. The way GK thinks of tanking, at least. If something hits you, it should hit you. I've always disliked the WC/AC system. Being tanky should just mean taking reduced damage.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:02 PM
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The on-going mystery. I'm not really sure what I believe about this anymore. I used to think it was a resistance thing, but I've seen people with the same resistances as mine and followers of the same deity still struggle with tanking vamps/ice fiends/kvasir.

I've been able to tank them while I was Bile, and now as an Ogma follower as well. Orcs and Archers hit me though (apparently some people can tank archers). *shrugs*
It truly is a mystery. I've seen the same bugs and even tested them with Nico himself. At one point, Shadow could tank reapers endlessly (he idled for like a hour and I lured over a dozen of them onto him. I later found out he only had about 45ac and 98 physical resistance at the time (he was idle-farming magic or wis).

I could not tank them for more than 30 seconds without getting hit (fairly hard, a single reaper was hitting 10s on me). Believing it was resistances I asked Nico... he then idled for 10 minutes and never got hit. He is the same god as me, and has the same statistics around the board, with less AC.

Could never figure out why they were so ridiculously bugged. But in this case, the secret to tanking Kvasir/guards has always been to blind them. So, there's that.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:00 PM
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Kvasir and Guards actually got buffed few weeks ago (higher WC), tanking them shouldnt be possible, unless they are blinded maybe.
You say tanking them shouldn't be possible, but multiple people are doing it on a daily basis. I'm almost positive every person tanking vampire guards are not blinding them before they tank them. I watch them tank these monsters and it's quite obnoxious because I USED to be able to tank them with less resistances and AC, now I get owned in ~5 hits from vampire guards
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:40 PM
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...tanking them shouldnt be possible...
Best game balance, ever.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:03 AM
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Ice Fiends are not tankable anymore. Higher AC will help you to reduce some of the damage, but full tanking like being immortal to ice Fiends is not possible.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:12 AM
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It's much more fair now, even with 90AC Ice Fiends and Vamps can kill me in about 5-6 hits where as they weren't able to at all before Nico's update. Now there is an actual challenge and as a bonus the exp even went up, when it was pumped up already let's face it.

Great update, now I can see Deadly Maps becoming more popular.
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Old 08-30-2014, 12:06 PM
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Great update! Being able to tank every monster was pretty boring , and actually quite demanding when you're one of the only few on the server who was able to.

My only critique, is that now simple sword/dagger melee is practically impossible. So dungeons and deadly maps pretty much become a bow/magic only scenario. It's a bit disappointing since swords and daggers are such a big part of the game.

It would be nice if AC solely determined how "hard" something hits, while something like Agility level determines dodge rate or something (Not too high of a %, that would be boring). Maybe even giving the shield blocking capabilities as well (pve & pvp alike).

And then Ghosthit resistance might actually be sought after if agility had nothing to do with it.
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