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Old 07-17-2009, 10:55 PM
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I want to digress on this "MEAN PEOPLE ARE BAD MANAGERS" BS. The worst managers I've known have been one of the nicest. Take Jesse for example, he was the nicest manager on Valikorlia but he was PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE. Why? Because he hired his friends as staff and everything who went around and kept screwing everything up.

Whenever the matter of staff problems came to hand, Jesse either ignored it, made petty justifications (THE STAFF ARE DOING GOOD YOU JUST HAVE A GRUDGE AND VENDETTA AGAINST THEM BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH), or outright pretended to be afk.

I want to see an a-hole in charge, from my point of experience, they tend to get things DONE as long as they aren't being an idiot. (By the way, Smu doesn't count as an a-hole, he's more of a douche.)
Let's make me Manager then, I am mean to everyone ANYWHERE, srsly.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:08 PM
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I see how Raven is explaining it, and I think he is right.

But there are some points where a person can be nice and still do a good job. Take YY as an example. He was an awesome ETA, and was nice. The only way for people like YY to act like an a-hole/douche is if someone is just annoying,complaining (The type where the person just acts annoying on purpose), etc...

The point is, your Dev/Player-side skills cannot be judged all the time by that person's personality, even if it is most of the time.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:17 PM
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It's not so much an issue of whether they're mean or nice, it's more their motives.

If they're unbiased, and motivated to help the server, they'll make the right decisions about the staff team and the server in general. That means not hiring talentless friends just because they're friends and making decisions based on what you think/know is in the best interest of the server rather than basing it off of the public's approval.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard from various staff team members: "I can't do that, then players will whine and *****." or "I did it, but then everyone cried so I switched it back."

Seriously? You're going to **** over the server's gameplay balance and other elements just so players won't have to go out and buy a box of kleenexes?
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:21 PM
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I want to digress on this "MEAN PEOPLE ARE BAD MANAGERS" BS. The worst managers I've known have been one of the nicest. Take Jesse for example, he was the nicest manager on Valikorlia but he was PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE. Why? Because he hired his friends as staff and everything who went around and kept screwing everything up.

Whenever the matter of staff problems came to hand, Jesse either ignored it, made petty justifications (THE STAFF ARE DOING GOOD YOU JUST HAVE A GRUDGE AND VENDETTA AGAINST THEM BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH), or outright pretended to be afk.

I want to see an a-hole in charge, from my point of experience, they tend to get things DONE as long as they aren't being an idiot. (By the way, Smu doesn't count as an a-hole, he's more of a douche.)
Explain Clash then.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:46 PM
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It's very simple. Clash kept promising that the VERY ambitious New Valikorlia project would eventually be finished. Every time the deadline would be met, he would always delay and delay it. The players got sick of it and most of them left.
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It's very simple. Clash kept promising that the VERY ambitious New Valikorlia project would eventually be finished. Every time the deadline would be met, he would always delay and delay it. The players got sick of it and most of them left.
Clash was also a very rude/mean manager but clearly was not able to get New Valikorlia up. Your belief that any mean manager can get things done is countered by the argument of Clash.
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I want to digress on this "MEAN PEOPLE ARE BAD MANAGERS" BS. The worst managers I've known have been one of the nicest. Take Jesse for example, he was the nicest manager on Valikorlia but he was PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE. Why? Because he hired his friends as staff and everything who went around and kept screwing everything up.

Whenever the matter of staff problems came to hand, Jesse either ignored it, made petty justifications (THE STAFF ARE DOING GOOD YOU JUST HAVE A GRUDGE AND VENDETTA AGAINST THEM BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH), or outright pretended to be afk.

I want to see an a-hole in charge, from my point of experience, they tend to get things DONE as long as they aren't being an idiot. (By the way, Smu doesn't count as an a-hole, he's more of a douche.)
your reference to Jesse being a bad manager is because of corruption, not because of how nice or mean he was.
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:03 AM
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Clash was also a very rude/mean manager but clearly was not able to get New Valikorlia up. Your belief that any mean manager can get things done is countered by the argument of Clash.
I didn't say ANY mean manager can get things done. I was just pointing out a contrast to explain that just because a manager is mean doesn't mean it's a downfall.

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I was using Jesse as an example because people think that "being nice" is a requirement to being a good manager. You see, the absolute sole reason he was corrupt is because he was too nice and pampered his staff no matter how awful they were. It's a case of "indirect corruption".
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I didn't say ANY mean manager can get things done. I was just pointing out a contrast to explain that just because a manager is mean doesn't mean it's a downfall.


I was using Jesse as an example because people think that "being nice" is a requirement to being a good manager. You see, the absolute sole reason he was corrupt is because he was too nice and pampered his staff no matter how awful they were. It's a case of "indirect corruption".
But see in Jesse's case, it had nothing to do really with him being nice. He turned a blind eye to corrupt. I am sure being nice allowed it to continue for so long, but I wouldn't sight that as a major attribute for his lack of managing skills.

I understand what point you're trying to get across, but being nice and mean has little to do with how you help the server. I am not denying that it has any influence on the manager, but it's based solely in my opinion if the manager is doing his job as well as keeping staff in line.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:37 AM
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:56 AM
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But see in Jesse's case, it had nothing to do really with him being nice. He turned a blind eye to corrupt. I am sure being nice allowed it to continue for so long, but I wouldn't sight that as a major attribute for his lack of managing skills.
His corruption stems from his extreme empathy for his staff/friends. I've actually met him a while ago and when I brought up the subject of Valikorlia to him, he ranted about how all the players are evil and cruel and etc. etc etc. I truly believe he is innocent, but dumb and biased as bricks.

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I understand what point you're trying to get across, but being nice and mean has little to do with how you help the server. I am not denying that it has any influence on the manager, but it's based solely in my opinion if the manager is doing his job as well as keeping staff in line.
I know, I just wanted to explain to Exhausted about my point.
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I have no idea who you guys are talking about lol. Silly gooses.
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Old 07-18-2009, 05:23 AM
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I have no idea who you guys are talking about lol. Silly gooses.
Valikorlia shtuff.
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Old 07-18-2009, 05:28 AM
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I, uh... I started that. lol
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