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Old 01-03-2002, 11:53 PM
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Exclamation What has Graal become?

Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me.

Back in the days before P2P, playing on Graal was fun. The occasional hacker killing everyone was the only bad part. Besides that, guilds actually had a meaning, instead of just having a tag at the end of your name, you would actually be part of the guild, maybe have a guild area on the map, etc. Sparring was great, now it's nothing.. I used to do nothing but spar back before P2P, and I enjoyed every match. It was fun when you could just go to a spar arena somewhere, and line up with others to fight one on one in unofficial matches. Nowadays no one cares to spar, they just care about money, and if there is a spar event, it's for money, and it's always ruined by people shooting fireballs, etc.

Graal2001 was okay at first, but it has seemed to get worse every day, even though so many new things are added. The changing of bomy pets from their original version actually made them worse then before. Right about when golf came out, the minigame revolution began and we ended up with go-kart racing and football, which barely anyone plays anymore. (whatever happened to racing teams and football teams?) The events team has gotten terrible, they say the reason they hold cs and survivor is because that's what everyone asks for.. well no crap, if they haven't played the other events in so long, they wouldn't remember how fun they were.

The staff got worse, and so did the players, the forums turned into a battlefield (and still are) and are no longer enjoyable to me anymore. When hats were released in limited quantities, that started the money era. Now nearly everyone are greedy backstabbers, and no one cares to do anything but make more money and get more items. When objects and gralat became so desirable, "corruption" started to occur more.. most of it just being accusations of others being corrupt.. sometimes players would call other players corrupt just because the other player had a lot of money.

Now I get on each day, and find nothing at all to do. Everyone is too busy making money and scamming/finding ways to cheat to actually RP or just sit around and talk. Mass messages are a joke, they are nothing but filth, arguements, advertisements, and annoying "support my guild" messages. Toalls are just another form of communicating with others for the sheer point of arguing and fighting, and telling everyone else how much of a loser someone else is.

Nearly all of P2P players do nothing but argue and hate others now. No matter what you post on the forums someone tells you to shut up and die. It's ridiculous and definitely not what I thought my money was paying for.

Not to mention G2k2.. oh boy.. I'm sure a lot of you will say I'm wrong here, but I envisioned something a lot different for the next generation of Graal.. it's seriously disappointing in every single aspect. Stefan doesn't seem to really know what he is doing in the game development area. The graphics in 2k2 are good, I admit, but they do not fit well at all with the characters or terrain. Why doesn't Stefan improve Graal as a whole? He might have made the new 3d terrain stuff, but when the hell is he going to make a better way of layering? Why can't he make tiles that lay over the player sprite? It would decrease the need to use npc images, and the environment would be so much more realistic (walking behind trees and buildings without needing npcs for everything)

Then there is server scripting.. I find it nearly impossible to work with, there are so many little things that would improve the system overall. Why not have variables that save to the npc on the level, and can be read clientside AND serverside? Instead of being able to do simple things like having lights come on outside of a house when you turn lights on inside, it takes using workarounds and npc save variables which are troublesome and not documented well.

He still hasn't improved the playerlist by adding new features such as making your own user groups like the buddies group. I admit I like the new features on the level editor, they help a lot, but the new version of graal has a lot of editor glitches and I get headaches when I load my level and it turns into nothing but the left grass tile. Some of these things just really aggravate me as to why Stefan doesn't see these things and fix them. Even the player profile could be made to look so much better with more options and things, and when will Stefan ever make it so we can put php code or something on a webpage and have our stats show up there?

Then there is the level generator.. wouldn't a level generator program be SO MUCH BETTER then drawing your level in a paint program? Just take a look a this example. Why not have it so players can pick a tile (such as tree, dirt, water, grass) and when they use their mouse on the level, it draws the map out dynamically? It would make the worlds much more realistic and have much more detail with less glitches and people wouldn't think level generated worlds are bad anymore.

There are so many things that could be improved it just boggles my mind.. the more I research and learn about game development, the more things I see about Graal I don't like. Whenever I get skilled enough with programming I will be able to put my visions of a good game into light. In my opinion Stefan has bad taste in graphics and style. You think with all the money they pull in, they could hire a good team of people to work for them doing art and levels and things, and stop hiring kids to work for free, making not so great stuff yet Stefan adds it anyway because he doesn't feel like paying people to do better?

Why doesn't Stefan expand the tileset? Why must we use the same tiles for everything? What if we don't want to "addtiledef"? I want new houses, new trees, new bushes and things.. without having to replace other tiles that people also like. If Cyberjouer is such a professional game company, why doesn't Stefan hire more programmers for the actual game? (not npc scripters I mean delphi/c++ programmers)

{edited out because I can't voice my opinion on 2k2 staff}

I just wish Cyberjouer would become better as a company, and actually care about it's customers needs instead of making what THEY think is best.

I think I will be taking a time off from Graal as a player and as staff unless it shapes up and becomes the game that it should be, which is fun and exciting, not the same thing and boring, with jackass players and corrupt staff.

I know some of you could care less about my opinions and that is fine, who am I to talk about game development? I just want to make a career out of it, but I guess since I didn't make Graal, then I'm not as good as Stefan. I feel so limited working for Graal, in level making, in graphics, in scripting.. it's all limiting.

Oh and for the people that reply to this without reading it all.. please continue going to school, as your mind obviously can't handle reading a page of text.
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Old 01-03-2002, 11:54 PM
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Jeese Koni.. I agree with you and all but are you trying to get yourself banned.. Stefan has deleted the thread around 3 times.. i think this time he will delete it and ban you.
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Old 01-03-2002, 11:56 PM
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Jeese Koni.. I agree with you and all but are you trying to get yourself banned here?
For what? My opinion on how I think Graal could be better?
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Old 01-03-2002, 11:56 PM
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I sort of agree, especially about the level generator part, although it should have some kind of "Detail" mode in it.
I think resizing the tileset is possible, although I'm not sure and haven't tested it. (I'm basing this off of the size of Graal2002 picso.png in comparison to pics1.png)

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Old 01-03-2002, 11:58 PM
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For what? My opinion on how I think Graal could be better?
exactly, its the statement that graal is not perfect and that you have an opinion that gets you banned.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:00 AM
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*waits for Stefan to delete the thread again and make up another reason*

I probably WILL be banned for my opinion.. which is the sad part.

You don't see other games banning players for posting links to competitors or stating their opinion.. Why would the game company even care unless they knew the other game was better then theirs or something? I mean why worry about losing business if your game is a sure thing?
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:04 AM
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I don't know about the rest of you but Koni is right. I didn't pay this money to get jackass service. And just to get banned and losing my money over my opinion to try and make Graal better. We should be able to add our own servers again. That would make you able to keep jackasses that you don't want to play with and just play with your friends on your own servers.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:05 AM
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There are people who try to help Graal in whatever way they can (like me). I volunteer to help with the forums and keep them fixed and such. Yet I am ignored, and called power hungry or that it is my burning ambition or whatever.

When people don't see everything as a quest for power, and true help is actually reconized and welcomed, only then will Graal get better; never before that.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:06 AM
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There are people who try to help Graal in whatever way they can (like me). I volunteer to help with the forums and keep them fixed and such. Yet I am ignored, and called power hungry or that it is my burning ambition or whatever.

When people don't see everything as a quest for power, and true help is actually reconized and welcomed, only then will Graal get better; never before that.
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There should be a seperate client.. that lets you make your own server and stuff so u can hang out with friends and test scripts..
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We can on 1.31 and 1.28 but Stefan says it's illegal for some reason.
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Re: What has Graal become?

I don't think people were better before p2p,
they just care now more about what they own in the
game. I know there are some things that need to be
made better, that's why we work on it
Don't know why you say I have a bad gfx taste
*have added your new trees to the tileset*

Layering: Is very slow on normal gfx cards
Supporting more tiles: there are already many
tiles available, adding even more standard tiles
would even take more resources; when doing a house
or overworld you normally don't need ALL tiles
so addtiledef should be all you need, it works well
with the Graal2002 houses where we currently only
use 10% of the tiles space
Playerlist: You wanted to send me a list with things
I should add :/

If you think things are limited then please work
together with us to improve it. Don't know if its good to
say that the players are bad, we make the game for the
players to play it :/
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:09 AM
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Ok, Stefan, Your REALLY learning. Thank you for hearing us out and giving a reason to what you do that seems pointless to us....Thank You.
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*waits for Stefan to delete the thread again and make up another reason*

I probably WILL be banned for my opinion.. which is the sad part.

You don't see other games banning players for posting links to competitors or stating their opinion.. Why would the game company even care unless they knew the other game was better then theirs or something? I mean why worry about losing business if your game is a sure thing?
Other games don't host official forums

We cannot allow other companies advertising here!
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:11 AM
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sorry. yes i agree completely here with koni, but sad to say you probably will et banned nice knowing you!
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