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Old 07-25-2008, 08:40 AM
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Graal is a cpu hog?

Is it me, or does Graal for the Mac use up a lot of the cpu, can cause a good amount of heat? I don't have a temperature sensor on my new cpu, but the hdd and gfx card have heated up as much (and more for the hdd) than when I run games like UT2004.
Have these things been resolved in the Universal client? What made this one so inefficient?
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:49 AM
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It appears to run a lot better, and use much less CPU when using the Intel client on and Intel Mac than the PPC one on a PPC Mac.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:55 AM
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What exactly is bad with 20-40% cpu usage? Graal is also not "a simple graphics game", it's basicly a 3D engine for displaying a 2D game, but is also hosting a virtual machine for the scripting engine, plays sound effects and streams music, exchanges real-time data with the servers, is also a webclient (e.g. the news display on serverlist) and displays Flash videos and games (used on Skills games, Unholy Nations).

If there is a lot of lag then it's usually a bad driver for the graphics card, or a bad internet connection, but the driver problem is more common.
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:07 AM
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Is it me, or does Graal for the Mac use up a lot of the cpu, can cause a good amount of heat? I don't have a temperature sensor on my new cpu, but the hdd and gfx card have heated up as much (and more for the hdd) than when I run games like UT2004.
Have these things been resolved in the Universal client? What made this one so inefficient?
Dynamic recompilation - the very fact you are trying to run a PowerPC program on an Intel processor, so Rosetta is having to take every PowerPC CPU instruction and then translate it and correct endianness for the program to work at all. You might like to think that Rosetta is running the program at native speed, but in reality, it rarely is.

The client on average is only taking a quarter to a third of my CPU for me on PowerPC 1.4GHz.

Also why is your GraalOnline icon in your task manager the same as Vendetta Online's application icon?
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Right now only a PowerPC version is available, that's why it's taking quite a lot of CPU time on Intel computers because it runs in emulation. The next Graal version should run better. The next version is planned to be released in a few weeks.
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Right now only a PowerPC version is available, that's why it's taking quite a lot of CPU time on Intel computers because it runs in emulation. The next Graal version should run better. The next version is planned to be released in a few weeks.
I'll hold you to that >:3
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Mac computers don't generally have problems with drivers since all the hardware is either made by Apple, or is shipped out by Apple (this is assuming you don't swap out your graphics card or something).
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Right now only a PowerPC version is available, that's why it's taking quite a lot of CPU time on Intel computers because it runs in emulation. The next Graal version should run better. The next version is planned to be released in a few weeks.
Just like flying technology was supposed to be released two years ago, and external windows were supposed to be released before Christmas, right?
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Well, we were discussing flying technology on Zodiac RC, and it's apparently done, they just don't have a scheme for how it should be released, unless I read wrong.


Also: I think external windows would be a lot more kick-ass than flying technology, so do those first Stefan!
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:25 PM
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Dynamic recompilation - the very fact you are trying to run a PowerPC program on an Intel processor, so Rosetta is having to take every PowerPC CPU instruction and then translate it and correct endianness for the program to work at all. You might like to think that Rosetta is running the program at native speed, but in reality, it rarely is.

The client on average is only taking a quarter to a third of my CPU for me on PowerPC 1.4GHz.
Actually, that's on my 1.4ghz Power Mac G4, running Leopard. I think it takes more work than UT2004 does. It's not as hard on the gfx card, but I think it's harder on the cpu. The hard drive heats up a bit more with graal than UT2004. The cpu was using maybe 2/3. Other things run fine, and I can still open a lot of applications and windows, but it goes between 1/3 and 2/3 cpu usage. It's not a big deal, ad it's not like I can't do 100 other things on the computer while it's running graal, I was just wondering why it seems to run using a lot of the cpu.
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Also why is your GraalOnline icon in your task manager the same as Vendetta Online's application icon?
No idea, it's always been like that. I think my java applications also took on the graal icon. It's just the icon in iStat that's messed up, so I don't mind. I think I mentioned that here before.
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Right now only a PowerPC version is available, that's why it's taking quite a lot of CPU time on Intel computers because it runs in emulation. The next Graal version should run better. The next version is planned to be released in a few weeks.
No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm really looking forward to it though (for the past 2 years).
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