Graal Forums  

Go Back   Graal Forums > General Forums > Graal Main Forum (English)
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #16  
Old 05-23-2014, 06:34 AM
cyan3 cyan3 is offline
Registered User
cyan3's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: England
Posts: 2,919
cyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fysez View Post
Besides, I expected more because Graal is run off of players. Players become staff and build servers up to their expectations. Figured it'd be similar, but a bit more advanced.
That ship sailed a long time ago. If you look back into history very few playerworlds make it onto the server list and most fail within the first year. The only decent playerwords that have made it onto the server list in recent memory are Zodiac, the redesign of Delteria, and at a very long stretch Atrius. If you look at that success rate is it any surprise people are reluctant to precipitate in the development of playerworlds?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-23-2014, 03:52 PM
Fulg0reSama Fulg0reSama is offline
Extrinsical Anomaly
Fulg0reSama's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,049
Fulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fysez View Post
I'm not sure what you're arguing against in here; You didn't specify.
Attachment 55653
I don't think I was trying to argue.
But I was definitely pointing out a phrase and questioning it out to proceed the thoughts out of you more on the subject, as well as mentioned before, ribbing you for the fun of it.
__________________

Careful, thoughts and opinions here scare people.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-23-2014, 05:15 PM
Elk Elk is offline
Sr Marketing Strategist
Elk's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Deerland
Posts: 3,829
Elk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant futureElk has a brilliant future
Send a message via ICQ to Elk Send a message via AIM to Elk Send a message via MSN to Elk Send a message via Yahoo to Elk
__________________
iEra IGN: *Elk (Darkshire)
iCla. IGN: *Elk (Darkshire)
iZone IGN: *Elk (Darkshire)




Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-24-2014, 01:46 AM
Fysez Fysez is offline
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 89
Fysez has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Ahaha, World of Warcraft. I miss playing that game..
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-24-2014, 01:50 AM
Fysez Fysez is offline
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 89
Fysez has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyan3 View Post
That ship sailed a long time ago. If you look back into history very few playerworlds make it onto the server list and most fail within the first year. The only decent playerwords that have made it onto the server list in recent memory are Zodiac, the redesign of Delteria, and at a very long stretch Atrius. If you look at that success rate is it any surprise people are reluctant to precipitate in the development of playerworlds?
But if you think about it, people don't seem to care.
All around, people are buying servers and paying their time to achieve something great.

Everyone knows there's a small chance it'll actually become a famous server.
But there's a little piece in everyone that says "I can do it!" And so the time begins to try.

The only way a server truly fails to become what they want, is when they give up.

You can make a bad server, and then change bit-by-bit to become better -- If you don't give up.

So it's worth a shot if you're up to the challenge.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 05-24-2014, 02:43 AM
Fysez Fysez is offline
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 89
Fysez has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Spent a long while on Collision detection.
You can see the video here:

Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 05-24-2014, 04:54 AM
Fulg0reSama Fulg0reSama is offline
Extrinsical Anomaly
Fulg0reSama's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,049
Fulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant futureFulg0reSama has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elk View Post
Clearly your best masterpiece Elk
__________________

Careful, thoughts and opinions here scare people.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 05-24-2014, 07:30 AM
Galdor Galdor is offline
░▒▓██▓▒░
Galdor's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,434
Galdor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond reputeGaldor has a reputation beyond repute
Kinda cool dude
__________________
Links
Draenin's Villains
Draenin's Quests

My Albums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixmad
This forums is going worst each day.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 05-26-2014, 03:00 PM
cyan3 cyan3 is offline
Registered User
cyan3's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: England
Posts: 2,919
cyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fysez View Post
But if you think about it, people don't seem to care.
All around, people are buying servers and paying their time to achieve something great.

Everyone knows there's a small chance it'll actually become a famous server.
But there's a little piece in everyone that says "I can do it!" And so the time begins to try.

The only way a server truly fails to become what they want, is when they give up.

You can make a bad server, and then change bit-by-bit to become better -- If you don't give up.

So it's worth a shot if you're up to the challenge.
That outlook is a little bit naive. The biggest reason a playerworld fails is that they lack any sort of focus or clear direction. This is mostly because project management practices are ignored and the development team blindly works on either none-essential or unfit for purpose systems. You can't tell me that realising, after one year of development that almost everything has to be redone that the "I can do it!" mentality still exists. I am sorry if this comes off as being mean but history does show us that a lack of project management will lead to a loss in moral for development teams upon the realisation that the last year of work was pointless.

I have quoted an old post by Dusty that explains it in more detail.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DustyPorViva View Post

(^ timeline assumes playerworld actually succeeds, majority of the time they don't)

But in all seriousness, servers fail because they're too hyped to get working on stuff without actually putting all the time that's needed into planning. Really, really good planning can shave a few years off dev time, and possibly save a good server. And I don't mean just a small .txt with little details, I mean fleshed out stuff. Sketched maps of the overworld(and perhaps even settings, along with REASONS for a town, personalities and histories of the NPCs), lots and lots of ideas, concrete plans that bring everything together, and a firm, firm idea of what you want.

If you're talking about classic servers... oh, I dunno honestly. Just something doesn't tick for me to bring me in. If I wanted to play an RPG, I'd go play one of the many better ones out there. Era is too laggy for me(I've played 3D games where lag wasn't that big of an issue for me, being on 56k). Hmm, and others just don't seem to offer much. Maybe some would be nice but they insist on ass-ugly tilesets that burn my retina's and push me away from the server. As for the 'classic-type' servers, they offer no direction. I like exploring, but I hate randomly running around doing mindless things hoping I find a quest, and then finding one only to see it's kill a bunch of baddies or push a million blocks. Then find there's nothing to do with the fullheart I gained because the server is dead.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 05-26-2014, 03:13 PM
Jakov_the_Jakovasaur Jakov_the_Jakovasaur is offline
Deleted by Darlene159
Jakov_the_Jakovasaur's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Deleted by Darlene159
Posts: 353
Jakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud ofJakov_the_Jakovasaur has much to be proud of
its worth mentioning that in the extremely unlikely event of a newly developed server raising the bar and actually developing most of the things its staff originally set out to, theres a strong possibility that the development actually turns out to be the easy part, and the staff encounter much bigger obstacles that are entirely beyond their control

in the case of attempting to launch a 3d version of graal, the said obstacles would be even bigger
__________________
This signature has been deleted by Darlene159.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 05-26-2014, 04:50 PM
Fysez Fysez is offline
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 89
Fysez has a little shameless behaviour in the past
I guess that's true, in a way. Maybe I look at things differently.
I once owned a server that I was working on for a few months. I developed on it alone every day, always making new things. It did fail, but not because I gave up. Because my mind was set to "What is this ever going to do to benefit me?"
I then threw the project away and went right onto making my Graal-alike, which currently looks beautiful.

Enough of story time, I have experience in 3D programming. And I can work alone.
Would be nice to have help, but not necissary.

I'll post pictures soon, but I've been working on the terrain -- I've got the look of it done (for now, possible change in the future), just need to add details and maybe some graphic settings in case the resolution is too high to run
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 05-26-2014, 06:18 PM
Kamaeru Kamaeru is offline
Sandinista!
Kamaeru's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,040
Kamaeru has much to be proud ofKamaeru has much to be proud ofKamaeru has much to be proud ofKamaeru has much to be proud ofKamaeru has much to be proud ofKamaeru has much to be proud of
Much respect for the screenshots containing everyone's homie CheeToS.
__________________
3DS friendcode: 1118-0226-7975
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05-26-2014, 07:13 PM
BlueMelon BlueMelon is offline
asdfg
BlueMelon's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,481
BlueMelon is a splendid one to beholdBlueMelon is a splendid one to beholdBlueMelon is a splendid one to beholdBlueMelon is a splendid one to behold
Cool stuff! Are you managing a git repo we could check out? Keep us updated on your progress
__________________
http://i.imgur.com/OOJbW.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 05-26-2014, 07:18 PM
callimuc callimuc is offline
callimuc's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,015
callimuc is a splendid one to beholdcallimuc is a splendid one to beholdcallimuc is a splendid one to beholdcallimuc is a splendid one to beholdcallimuc is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMelon View Post
Cool stuff! Are you managing a git repo we could check out? Keep us updated on your progress
Apparently she's banned on the forums because of in-Game actions, knowing Graal she won't be unbanned. Perfect example of "action > think"

You can follow the progress on her Graal FB tho
https://www.facebook.com/fyse.vizeverza?fref=ts
__________________
MEEP!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright (C) 1998-2019 Toonslab All Rights Reserved.