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Old 08-08-2012, 12:11 AM
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I everyone just quits Zod and they have 0 players so they get the point Jer is needed...
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:13 AM
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I don't see what you're getting at here. I'm not manager of anything, and when I was, I was fired for what I did by the PWA (and rightly so). Tig has even globally banned me in the past himself. This is all years ago and I've made considerable attempts to change since then.

I'm all for restoring Jer as manager, but I don't think this situation is similar at all to what I did (spawning items). The worst accusations aimed at Jer are that he was unprofessional.
Both you and Seeya were banned for selling Era items for money on the 30th of April 2011. The ban was by Tig, yes. However, both you and Seeya were allowed to evade this ban on alternate accounts (Graal778257 and Graal753452) and were allowed to continue playing and WORKING on Graal Kingdoms. In addition to this the GK player known as Vinka, the guy that spammed the entire forum up with pornographic material and was going to be pursued with legal action from unixmad, has been working on the Graal Kingdoms iPhone port.

I think that this situation is very comparable because it shows just how hypocritical this administration is. You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:14 AM
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Good management skills have nothing to do with knowing about the server you're managing. Granted that some decent knowledge of the server will be more than helpful when dealing with players.
My point was that I severely doubt they'll even appoint someone qualified. I'd sooner believe they would instate a friend, maybe another Vimes.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:17 AM
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You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.
I agree. My main issue with this decision (besides it being a slap in the face to Jer, who has put countless hours into Zodiac) is that they will never be able to find somebody who can do a better job of managing the server than he can.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:17 AM
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My point was that I severely doubt they'll even appoint someone qualified. I'd sooner believe they would instate a friend, maybe another Vimes.
What would you define as qualified though?
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:18 AM
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I don't see what you're getting at here. I'm not manager of anything, and when I was, I was fired for what I did by the PWA (and rightly so). Tig has even globally banned me in the past himself. This is all years ago and I've made considerable attempts to change since then.
Fired and banned for selling items for USD > unbanned & reinstated as manager. I'm not putting you at blame for that, but it's definitely part of the Vimes circle-jerk that has been going around for some time now.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:18 AM
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:19 AM
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I agree. My main issue with this decision (besides it being a slap in the face to Jer, who has put countless hours into Zodiac) is that they will never be able to find somebody who can do a better job of managing the server than he can.
I agree with you too, but my main issue is that this is being drawn like it is about protecting the community and professionalism. Neither of those things seemed to come in to play when it is Graal Kingdoms that is brought up. Hell, the quote that Tig first posted was to Jerret when he posted ABOUT the corruption on Graal Kingdoms.

This is just bull****.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:20 AM
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Both you and Seeya were banned for selling Era items for money on the 30th of April 2011. The ban was by Tig, yes. However, both you and Seeya were allowed to evade this ban on alternate accounts (Graal778257 and Graal753452) and were allowed to continue playing and WORKING on Graal Kingdoms. In addition to this the GK player known as Vinka, the guy that spammed the entire forum up with pornographic material and was going to be pursued with legal action from unixmad, has been working on the Graal Kingdoms iPhone port.

I think that this situation is very comparable because it shows just how hypocritical this administration is. You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.
Rufus, nobody is preventing Jerret from developing on Zodiac. For now, we ask that he only works on the dev server if he insists on working, but we are in no way telling him he's not allowed to develop for Zodiac, just as we did not actively stop Chris and Seeya from working when they were banned because they were behaving under their new accounts (which they paid for). It's not really comparable at all because Jerret was removed for entirely different reasons, and he was not banned from the game.

Furthermore, don't clump Vinka in as part of GK iPhone's staff. Vinka was fired from GK iPhone for his poor behavior on the forums (posting the porn, etc) and globally banned. We handle every situation on a case-by-case basis and we always try to be as fair as we can, obviously we can't make everyone happy, but you're really blowing it into more than it is. If this is going to turn into a thread about this, I'm going to close it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:27 AM
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What would you define as qualified though?
If they can't find someone with past management experience, then atleast a zodiac community member who cares as much about the server as Jerret does and has some sort of scripting and player relations experience. There are a few current staff members who could probably do a good job. The preferable choice though, for the players of zodiac atleast, is Jerret.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:29 AM
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So your definition of a good manager is somebody from the server, somebody who can deal with players professionally and somebody who has a decemt knowledge of development. It seems Jerret ticks only two of the three boxes you've layed out here.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:30 AM
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So unbelievably wrong. Extensive knowledge of the past, present, and planned future of the server you're managing is an extremely vital aspect to being a proper Manager. I would not trust someone who has been on the server for 2 years or less in a Managerial position.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:30 AM
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If they can't find someone with past management experience, then atleast a zodiac community member who cares as much about the server as Jerret does and has some sort of scripting and player relations experience. There are a few current staff members who could probably do a good job. The preferable choice though, for the players of zodiac atleast, is Jerret.
And the staff of Zodiac judging that they have all their nicknames "Support fp4" or "rehire fp4" or something.
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so unbelievably wrong. Extensive knowledge of the past, present, and planned future of the server you're managing is an extremely vital aspect to being a proper manager. I would not trust someone who has been on the server for 2 years or less in a managerial position.
+1. A manager needs to lead the server, not just manage the staff team.
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