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Old 01-04-2002, 12:11 AM
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Amen.
Seriously. Most of the players call us staff corrupt, no matter what the reason. 90% of the time it isn't corrupt in the least bit. But the word corrupt, in itself, has been corrupted to mean something totally different and has almost lost all meaning at the same time. Because such a thing has happened whenever someone wants to help, people think that they just want power. This prevents such people from helping. It's not about power always, and it's not always about money. People just assume though that everything is.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:12 AM
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Other games don't host official forums

We cannot allow other companies advertising here!
Actually Ultima Online, for example, have their own forums. I've heard that Ragnarok has too, although I'm not sure about that.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:13 AM
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Other games don't host official forums

We cannot allow other companies advertising here!
Actually quite a few do. Not always vBulletin; usually free message board software.
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Seriously. Most of the players call us staff corrupt, no matter what the reason. 90% of the time it isn't corrupt in the least bit. But the word corrupt, in itself, has been corrupted to mean something totally different and has almost lost all meaning at the same time. Because such a thing has happened whenever someone wants to help, people think that they just want power. This prevents such people from helping. It's not about power always, and it's not always about money. People just assume though that everything is.
Hmmm we should find some way to let you help and
being staff without getting problems with people
always complaining and calling you corrupt
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:15 AM
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Re: Re: What has Graal become?

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I don't think people were better before p2p,
they just care now more about what they own in the
game. I know there are some things that need to be
made better, that's why we work on it
Don't know why you say I have a bad gfx taste
*have added your new trees to the tileset*

Layering: Is very slow on normal gfx cards
Supporting more tiles: there are already many
tiles available, adding even more standard tiles
would even take more resources; when doing a house
or overworld you normally don't need ALL tiles
so addtiledef should be all you need, it works well
with the Graal2002 houses where we currently only
use 10% of the tiles space
Playerlist: You wanted to send me a list with things
I should add :/

If you think things are limited then please work
together with us to improve it. Don't know if its good to
say that the players are bad, we make the game for the
players to play it :/
2002 is fine for me, and I have used this computer since I have started Graal (3 years ago). I hope you don't add layering, because I don't know how much more my computer can take. For the F7 list, I think it would be cool if you could add like different things. Like have a section called "Buddies", and then you can make things like "Guild", "Cool People", "People I suck up to", etc. And when you righ click on someone, it brings up the option to add them to "Cool People" or something.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:15 AM
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Dont you need to register to post on these forums? Hell, if they want to give you money to register 1 account to spam and then have their forum privelages removed I say let them, more cash to your pockets.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:15 AM
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One way to test them is, if they ask about thier power. Get rid of em. If they actually care about their power (unless for job purposes) they probably don't need that power in the first place.
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:16 AM
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Hmmm we should find some way to let you help and
being staff without getting problems with people
always complaining and calling you corrupt

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I really wasn't speaking of myself with the corrupt thing. I'm not often called corrupt. PEople just see my wanting to help the forums as a quest for more power. When power is not something I really want. Not power in the sense that most people think at least.
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Actually quite a few do. Not always vBulletin; usually free message board software.
I see that companies like MS don't host official forums,
because forums only mean getting problems, because
people like to complain when something happens
they don't like, so it needs a lot of moderation. If you
see the forums here, normally half the messages
should be deleted, because they are spam, or not about
the game, or complains about the staff, which should be
sent with PMs not posted on the forum
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:16 AM
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Hmmm we should find some way to let you help and
being staff without getting problems with people
always complaining and calling you corrupt
It's horrible on Classic, but it will be impossible to get rid of it. I will be called corrupt for not giving someone a lizard sword, so they go hack it and I jail them, and then I have their little trainer using guild calling me corrupt ;o
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:17 AM
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The reason SOME of the players are bad is because of the gameplay.. they are tired of working and since all there is to do is buy hats and make money, it makes people greedy.. a game can change your attitude while playing it.

Stefan, I would LOVE to help work on Graal itself.. not a server, but Graal itself. I really can't understand how adding more tiles or layering could produce that much of a problem.. especially since the outcome of having more tiles and overlapping would make Graal so much better. It's time you started raising the requirements in order to play Graal.. new computers are cheap enough even for middle class families to afford nice stuff. If people are still using processors under 200mhz and normal graphics cards, they really don't need to be into online gaming.

I told you about 4 times what the playerlist needs, I don't see how you could have missed it.

What about letting in outside help for programming and development? Would you allow that, or is cyberjouer going to be a one man programming company forever?

I'm very glad you expressed your views on my opinion, instead of deleting them once again.. I hope the things I have said aren't offensive to you, they are just meant to help make Graal as a whole, better. I yell at birdbird a lot about his levels and things, and the other day he thanked me for actually giving a real opinion about his work instead of just saying "oh thats nice"
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:20 AM
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:21 AM
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What about letting in outside help for programming and development? Would you allow that, or is cyberjouer going to be a one man programming company forever?
It's not one man, the other people from the company
just don't interact with the players all the time

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I'm very glad you expressed your views on my opinion, instead of deleting them once again.. I hope the things I have said aren't offensive to you, they are just meant to help make Graal as a whole, better. I yell at birdbird a lot about his levels and things, and the other day he thanked me for actually giving a real opinion about his work instead of just saying "oh thats nice"
Yes saying that the multi-level editing is too hard
(some weeks ago)
made me adding the new multi-level editing, although
it's not perfect yet, need to find some better way of scrolling
and there are some problems when going to other
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Old 01-04-2002, 12:22 AM
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I see that companies like MS don't host official forums,
because forums only mean getting problems, because
people like to complain when something happens
they don't like, so it needs a lot of moderation. If you
see the forums here, normally half the messages
should be deleted, because they are spam, or not about
the game, or complains about the staff, which should be
sent with PMs not posted on the forum

No message board is spam free, or flame free. That's basicly a law, so to speak. Not even I could stop spam from being posted, or stop people from complaining/flaming others. Forums don't always mean trouble though. Sometimes it's a good way for people to get reconized for their abilitys. Not having a message board of some kind is a bad thing. Especially for online games, because message boards (if run correctly and well) will help to draw people there who sometimes just post on the message board because they think it is fun, to actually playing the game. That's almost basically how it was for me. I upgraded my account really for the main reason on posting on the forums. Not so much for playing Graal. But no look, I'm an admin. These can of things happen all the time. Moderation is needed, true. But most people who are given modship are well suited to handle the task of modship. Usually people with adminship have very sound reasoning and convidence in the people they choose to give modship to.
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