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Old 01-07-2013, 09:25 AM
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Howdy. I made this level back when i tried out for Maloria. Feedback? thanks.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:36 PM
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There is alot of tile errors on the level, start with fixing that up.
The placement of the ground detail such as bushes stones and mushrooms seems very random and not very thought through.
The dirt detailin is horrible imo.
You are alot better than many who posts levels on here and as i've seen on tryouts over the years but you still got a long way to go.

Get rid of the errors find some "how to make cliffs" tutorial

I do kinda like the houses.
Its a start, just need a bit more practice
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:37 PM
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:26 PM
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Work on the flow of the level. Walk around on it in character and you will understand why certain things need to be adjusted.

-The fence blocking the way up the cliff ramp need to be moved or deleted.
-random fence pole at the SE looks nice, but will block movement. kinda mildly annoying.
-A player wanting to go west from here will wan to squeeze thru that small grass area between the house and the cliff. Open that up to make it possible, or make it obvious it is unpassable.
-bush placement. Try not to place them in the middle of paths, and by paths I mean places players would be walking to and from, not the tiles themselves. IE, between the two houses
- the construction of the stone path is very ???. It seems to be growing like a fungus around random objects. A stone path was laid for a reason, to connect places of importance to make travel easier. While it may look interesting, pave over objects in the middle of it like mushrooms or bushes.
- the tall grass underneath the stone path also needs to be gone. By definition tall grass would be in places away from commonly traversed areas. Move it away from the path, and try placing it near the cliff side perhaps.


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Old 01-08-2013, 11:53 PM
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My advice would be to ignore the other posters. You're better at leveling than they are. Aside from Ghost Pirate, who being a god, also deemed your level acceptable. Keep doing what you're doing, don't fix what isn't broken.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:42 AM
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Love the detailing. The cliffs look a little too straight to me. Good work
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:42 AM
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Aside from the cliff errors and grass detail, I find this level very structurally sound. I like the way you've built up the houses and the path in the cliffs leading to them, although I don't understand why the fence is there obstructing the path, overall though it's pretty nice.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:03 AM
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Love the detailing. The cliffs look a little too straight to me. Good work
Would look like crap if any zig zags were added.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:01 PM
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that is a terrible tileset

I don't understand what most of these other posters see in this level. About a quarter of this level is filled with tile errors; some are unavoidable with how you want to structure your level BUT they are still atrocious to look at. Remove all the grass layering, never looks good. The path or bricked areas infront of the houses need to be more structured and minimalized. Remove the fence. Add some more grass detailing.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:15 PM
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I disagree with the whole grass layering never looks good. I know it's an opinion as I've seen it debated but really you just need to learn where and how to make it look good. Abusing it is a no though...the old N-Pulse type levels were disgusting 'nuff said.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:19 PM
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I think I'd rather see you make more levels like this. Although there may be some issues with the level, you can work those kinks out as you create more levels. But generally when you take a step back and look at the level, it's really more enjoyable to look at than typical graal fare. You used the cliffing tiles and some others in the appropriate places. It's about what you failed to do wrongly here; you seem to have skipped over the blatant mistakes some levelers (including myself) make when learning. I don't see any reason why you can't work on this style and make it appealing.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:49 AM
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I think I'd rather see you make more levels like this. Although there may be some issues with the level, you can work those kinks out as you create more levels. But generally when you take a step back and look at the level, it's really more enjoyable to look at than typical graal fare. You used the cliffing tiles and some others in the appropriate places. It's about what you failed to do wrongly here; you seem to have skipped over the blatant mistakes some levelers (including myself) make when learning. I don't see any reason why you can't work on this style and make it appealing.
At least this post recognized that there was something wrong with the level

I get trying to encourage a player that is getting into development but please do not tell a person to ignore legitimate criticism.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:05 PM
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I highly recommend using the normal pics1 tileset, atleast for practice. The level is masked by its pretty graphics but needs a lot of work done. Style is always an opinion, but tile errors are something that can be factually pointed out. They're rarely justified, so I circled the tile errors you should look into fixing.

red = errors
orange = not sure if tileset problem or error
pink = questionable positions
lightblue = remove

I'm sure there's more but I didn't get a good look. Just keep practicing, the level atleast serves a function.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:19 AM
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I think you are going willy-nilly calling things errors. Graal and its tileset are already bogus and erred.
Some of the proper uses of the tileset are actually not the same methods used in A Link to the Past, albeit the tileset is a ripped and re-worked version of that. It seems that the people who re-worked the tileset to make it higher resolution might have been confused to tackle some of the more technical details, and you know as well as I know that when you truly attept to do cliffing to its fullest potential you will find that particular tiles needed are just not correct or not there for certain contexts.
The tiles needed for this level may exist. But I think the omission of 100% of the tiles necessary to do cliffing correctly means that it is innately ridiculous to assume everyone must tile perfectly using a flawed tileset. You busters are no fun.
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