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Old 08-08-2008, 03:21 AM
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External Mac RC?

Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:33 AM
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:42 AM
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Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.
The Intel version of Graal, with external windows, is waaaaay better. However, it's still not as good as the Windows RC.

I'm with you, but unfortunately, Stefan has said Windows won't be getting offline RC updates, which means that Mac will NEVER get any kind of offline tools.
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He wants a Mac RC, not a way to run Windows

I have to use Boot Camp to develop, unfortunately.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:46 AM
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BootCamp is worse than Parallels... Not only do you require more disk space to run it, you're locked out of all your music / apps / settings. Also... I'm a bit windows-claustrophobic. I just feel like I'm being contained in Windows, and it's a real icky feeling... It makes me not want to program at all.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:48 AM
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Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.
Other alternative is to abandon Graal

Don't hold your breath. People have been asking for a Mac RC, Gani editor, and, most of all, level editor, for years, despite the fact that Apple has a site dedicated to Graal
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I'm with you, but unfortunately, Stefan has said Windows won't be getting offline RC updates, which means that Mac will NEVER get any kind of offline tools.
This is true, the only thing Mac will be getting is the external scripted windows when they're released in 2010.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:51 AM
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This is true, the only thing Mac will be getting is the external scripted windows when they're released in 2010.
Which, since they're still slow, are utterly useless.
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Old 08-08-2008, 04:06 AM
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Which, since they're still slow, are utterly useless.
They aren't TOO bad, but they need some improvement.
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:28 AM
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They aren't TOO bad, but they need some improvement.
I doubt it will be any faster if it's running off of gs2.
I'd love to test it out more, but hey, I don't own or work for a server, so I can't do any development anymore.

God, I can't even remember how to make guis
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:32 AM
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I doubt it will be any faster if it's running off of gs2.
I'd love to test it out more, but hey, I don't own or work for a server, so I can't do any development anymore.

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It is faster.
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:34 AM
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It is faster.
On intel yes. Wow, it got faster when it was no longer running under emulation
GS2 won't get fast enough after that. Not unless it's a native rc.
Same with the level editor (painfully slow).
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On intel yes. Wow, it got faster when it was no longer running under emulation
GS2 won't get fast enough after that. Not unless it's a native rc.
Same with the level editor (painfully slow).
I'm talking about the external windows.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:25 AM
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Excaliber, please learn what about what you're talking about before you start sprouting off incorrect information about it.

Chris has beta tested the external windows for Mac, not you obviously.
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Stefan just don't do external tools no more. Just gotta suck it up, I guess.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:29 AM
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Excaliber, please learn what about what you're talking about before you start sprouting off incorrect information about it.

Chris has beta tested the external windows for Mac, not you obviously.
And found them to be slower than the windows version, thus flawed.
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