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Old 06-01-2009, 10:23 PM
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Bounty Hunter Weapons

There are three levels of weapons on Era.
Business
Mainstream
Gangs

Business Weapons are the most powerful, due to locks and useage for specific purposes.

Mainstream Weapons are for obvious reasons.

Gang Guns are lowest or supposed to be, due to low-limits, and exclusiveness (bad term, I know).

Bounty Hunter Weapons as of yesterday, were brought down a level into the mainstream level of weaponry.
Note: There is not much of a difference in stats from rare mainstream weapons to business weapons, infact they are relatively the same power, so to speak.

Only one business weapon has ever been brought down to a mainstream one, P2Ks. And anyone that knows pking would call that a powerful weapon, in a mainstream class of its own. Limited because of its limits and how it came about. 2 of a kind.

Statistics of those Weapons throughout those classes are set according to Rarity, Class, Limits, Useage. Which somewhat explains the current power of gang weapons, they are 5 only, set according to class, only used by gangs, but for all purposes.

Well, as of now... the most powerful mainstream items are thw rarest. Mp5 Navy, BAR, Desert Raven, Luger All are 4 in terms of rarity. Due to the nerf of Bounty Hunter Weapons, they are now the weakest weapons on Era. Below all others.

Which assures me they were not set correctly.

FN Mark: Rarity: 4 of a kind.
Type: High-Powered AR
Useage: Everyone, All Purposes Estimated Power: Rival a BAR (4 of a kind as well).

UMP: Rarity: 4-5 of a kind
Type: SMG
Useage: Everyone, All Purposes. Estimated: Back to how it was, was never too powerful. It was always between a Navy and an SMGPK, perfectly too.

Angels right now I cannot vouch for, due to their abundance and the fact that I have not used it yet.

Also, weapons like SMGPK and etc, ASCENDED to Mainstream Weapons but yet are far more powerful than Bounty Hunter Weapons?

I am sure Masa did not do this, however comment on it and someone attend to it. If someone wants to take responsibility for it, I'm all ears.
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:00 PM
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I made the changes, and I will take responsibility for that. I've been trying to catch Masa on, but he is very busy. I will leave him a note.


With that post, I will not be on much for the next few days (finals). Just so everyone knows (not related to this topic).
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:39 PM
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I was in favor of just removing the guns. I don't think unlocking them and releasing them to the public was the best possible choice. However, one of the major reasons they were buffed extremely was because only select few people were ABLE to have them in the first place. If we kept them how they were, or even nerfed them minimally they still would have been considered above average and a very good gun. That would also mean that players like you would have made EXTREME profits off something in which you shouldn't have. That's why I was in favor of just refunding everyone with the 50k in which they made the purchase for.
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:44 PM
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Can we make a "Will's Complaints" sub-forum?
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:50 PM
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Well, either way there was a downside. Refunds would've spawned nearly a million dollars into the economy, so I understand this approach.

Also, Squirt you may not have read the entire thing. When dealing with weapons, you NEVER set their stats based on a player or players. Meaning, me or "people like me" so to speak should not affect the gun's stats.
Ex. FN2K originally were only purchaseable by Tsukana, untaglocked and stats set accordingly. Disregarding the fact that the Scelus Family had them all. Time goes on, it gets spread out.

Same with SMGPK, I made money from me being the initial distributor, time went on, they're spread out.

Focus on the gun as a mainstream item, using those factors to set the stats, not people. If guns were set according to who had them at release,
SMGPK would be awful, and not the second best SMG.
FN2K, MT, PPSH41, etc.... catch my drift?

Fact is there are only 4 FN Marks and 4 UMPs and they are mainstream items. They will spread outeventually, like all items. Until they are set accordingly, this legitimate proposal will still rise again and again.

All in All, they are suppoed to be good, lol... above-average even. Their rarity is extremely high and their class and etc makes them fit there perfectly. o.O?
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:15 AM
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What do you mean refunds would have spawned millions into the economy? Their were limited UMP's and FNMarks, therefore, max between those two would be 500k.
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What do you mean refunds would have spawned millions into the economy? Their were limited UMP's and FNMarks, therefore, max between those two would be 500k.
You may have not read correctly, something you seem to habitually do. In any event, I stated almost a million, the Angels which have a large amount on Era would've taken it over the million dollar bracket.

I stated, it would have spawned ALMOST a million or even more.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:48 AM
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You may have not read correctly, something you seem to habitually do. In any event, I stated almost a million, the Angels which have a large amount on Era would've taken it over the million dollar bracket.

I stated, it would have spawned ALMOST a million or even more.
Who said we had to do 50k for each angel? We removed the SG17 and only gave back 3k for each gun since they were worthless. We removed original BHer for 30k also instead of 50k.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:50 AM
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I made the changes, and I will take responsibility for that. I've been trying to catch Masa on, but he is very busy. I will leave him a note.


With that post, I will not be on much for the next few days (finals). Just so everyone knows (not related to this topic).
aren't you like 14? 8th grade finals are srs business I guess.

I think it's fair that the guns were nerfed. they were only powerful because it helped you do your job in BHer (even though you used the FN-mark off of BHer tag which was complete bull ****)
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:56 AM
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aren't you like 14? 8th grade finals are srs business I guess.
I'm taking several high school classes (aka they show up on transcript, but they're taken in middle school).
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I think it's fair that the guns were nerfed. they were only powerful because it helped you do your job in BHer (even though you used the FN-mark off of BHer tag which was complete bull ****)
It's fair that they were nerfed, I think we all agree on that. From what I can tell, it's mostly that they were perhaps nerefed too much.
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Old 06-02-2009, 01:51 AM
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Where was the insult? o.O? Thats my clear opinion, I would prefer you not touching guns... my fault for having a preference, lol.

Anyways, The FN Mark, I agree needed a nerf, but it was beyond over-nerfed. First of all, 25 damage is what should've been worked around. Some way to make it the equal opposite of BAR or slightly below BAR but above Mp44. The original stats before its huge buff looked adequate to me, Squirt might remember 'em, if not he and I can work on it and submit our final stats to you if Masa isn't found.

As for the UMP, why was it touched at all? It was never even glanced at to be a lame weapon. Meph flawlessly set the stats to fit perfectly in a triangle with Navy and SMGPK. It was so perfect, equal opposite of SMGPK, I so hope you remember the stats. If not, Squirt and I can work on it and submit finals to you or Deophite.

If you were to combine the pros of UMP and SMGPK, you'd get Mp5 Navy on the dime. Which was awesome, to set the stats with that much precision.
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Old 06-02-2009, 01:57 AM
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Where was the insult? o.O? Thats my clear opinion, I would prefer you not touching guns... my fault for having a preference, lol.

Anyways, The FN Mark, I agree needed a nerf, but it was beyond over-nerfed. First of all, 25 damage is what should've been worked around. Some way to make it the equal opposite of BAR or slightly below BAR but above Mp44. The original stats before its huge buff looked adequate to me, Squirt might remember 'em, if not he and I can work on it and submit our final stats to you if Masa isn't found.

As for the UMP, why was it touched at all? It was never even glanced at to be a lame weapon. Meph flawlessly set the stats to fit perfectly in a triangle with Navy and SMGPK. It was so perfect, equal opposite of SMGPK, I so hope you remember the stats. If not, Squirt and I can work on it and submit finals to you or Deophite.

If you were to combine the pros of UMP and SMGPK, you'd get Mp5 Navy on the dime. Which was awesome, to set the stats with that much precision.
Like I said, I'll have Masa look at it. There's no point in debating in this thread.

As for "remembering the stats", I backup all scripts 2-3 times a week. I'll have an old backup if it needs to be restored.
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:22 AM
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Old 06-02-2009, 02:47 PM
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Just close this thread omg..
why?

to be honest, I'm sick of threads getting closed in this forum. there will be a thread about something that I want to add to the discussion but then I find out it's closed for a stupid reason. I don't want to look like a fool and make a new thread but I do want to voice my opinion regarding the subject that the original thread was based on.

threads should be moderated. unless it truly out of hand then close it.
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aren't you like 14? 8th grade finals are srs business I guess.
Umm what? I'm in 8th grade and that is high school. (Private School) The finals are a big deal. It can make or brake your grade.

Those marks stay with you, fail those and they might put you in "core math" (which can get you into no university if they see any record at all of you being in "stupid math")

They are very important even though we aren't in grade 12.
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