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Old 05-25-2011, 06:21 AM
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Word is Eurocenter was making a lot of money off the iPhone apps before this change. And emphasis was put on a lot. Just adding more and more ways to take more money seems greedy as hell to me, but that's not surprising at all.
This isn't 1999. This isn't a fun little hobby to these guys anymore. It may be greedy, but they'd be dumb not to make more money.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:23 AM
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This isn't 1999. This isn't a fun little hobby to these guys anymore. It may be greedy, but they'd be dumb not to make more money.
Except they risk pissing off their community. Can only push the iPlayers so far until they quit, and then what?
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:31 AM
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This isn't 1999. This isn't a fun little hobby to these guys anymore. It may be greedy, but they'd be dumb not to make more money.
Maybe if they actually made any of the content. All of the content is made by the same players they're trying to milk their money off of. It's not like players are paying to upload heads only they can use. They're paying to upload more content for Eurocenter to provide to other players who pay to be able to customize their player.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:33 AM
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This isn't 1999. This isn't a fun little hobby to these guys anymore. It may be greedy, but they'd be dumb not to make more money.
Depends how much money they're making off of this really.

It's bad for business when your piss off your customers so the social effects caused by the change could actually cause them to lose money in the long run.

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Old 05-25-2011, 06:43 AM
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Thats what I dont get...if Stefan and his staff team made 100% of the content...they could charge w/e the hell they want. I could really care less.

But, when they make 0% of the content and get 100% of the proceeds...I think the community has a right to complain and make some demands.
Asking that the ability to upload public shields doesn't cost anything doesn't seem that unreasonable.

I mean, were complaining because we want to add content to the game without paying. We. Want. To. Add. Content. To. The. Game. Without. Paying.
Its sad, really...but w/e.

As long as they make money, right?
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:03 AM
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Except they risk pissing off their community. Can only push the iPlayers so far until they quit, and then what?
I get that, but I don't see it happening. This isn't enough to make mass amounts of people quit.

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Maybe if they actually made any of the content. All of the content is made by the same players they're trying to milk their money off of. It's not like players are paying to upload heads only they can use. They're paying to upload more content for Eurocenter to provide to other players who pay to be able to customize their player.
Wait, what are they doing wrong? I agree with you guys that paid graphics should be account locked, but complaining about Graal milking off of their players is a ridiculous argument.

If Stefan/Unix/Etc made Graal, it would be a ****ty, useless game. The Zelda;LttP connection doesn't have nearly as much meaning to the newest user group as it did with older Graalians. Customization and community have always been the backbone of the game. Nothing has changed, except that they're trying to make more money. It started with p2p accounts, then "lifetime classic," and it will continue. People will complain, then adapt, then find something new to complain about.
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:12 AM
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If you don't think there is anything wrong with milking players, especially the ones doing all the work, then there's no sense in arguing with you.
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:26 AM
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:34 AM
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If you don't think there is anything wrong with milking players, especially the ones doing all the work, then there's no sense in arguing with you.
They aren't actually milking you. The source of the game is player development, or at least it was. If you don't enjoy it, then you don't enjoy the game. They are offering you a product, if you don't enjoy it, don't pay for it.
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:34 AM
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They aren't actually milking you. The source of the game is player development, or at least it was. If you don't enjoy it, then you don't enjoy the game. They are offering you a product, if you don't enjoy it, don't pay for it.
If you read the initial post on the the thread it highlights that there was no charge for shields and swords when the server was released. It has been what, nearly 2 years? so no, "if you don't enjoy it, don't pay for it" just doesn't cut it. Within those two years the players have invested a lot into the game, like people have on the PC server, so you can't just tell them to go away if they don't like that you're ****ting on them. That is a terrible assertion.
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:50 AM
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If you read the initial post on the the thread it highlights that there was no charge for shields and swords when the server was released. It has been what, nearly 2 years? so no, "if you don't enjoy it, don't pay for it" just doesn't cut it. Within those two years the players have invested a lot into the game, like people have on the PC server, so you can't just tell them to go away if they don't like that you're ****ting on them. That is a terrible assertion.
Why is it? I understand complaining and trying to get your point across, but when it comes down to it, every game is a decision on if you do or do not want to pay/play it. Pricing packages have changed time after time for PC graal. Actually paying to play PC graal changed, too. How is this any different? Notice how that is hardly talked about anymore?

That was probably did the most damage to PC graal. People complained, nothing really changed, people adapted, life went on.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:35 AM
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Pricing packages have changed time after time for PC graal. Actually paying to play PC graal changed, too. How is this any different? Notice how that is hardly talked about anymore?
When p2p was introduced a majority quit. Fair enough, need to get money from somewhere.

When Gold/VIP/Classic Lifetime was removed in favor of the current pricing, Graal was dying. Yes, dying. Playercount was on a global decline. It wasn't until Zodiac/Era got rid of trial restrictions that we saw a small comeback in players. It's been slowly recovering but that damage could have been avoided. You'd think the iPlayers would have saved the playercount but they avoided PC Graal because they viewed it (and still do) as too expensive. Only a handful actually bother to stay on Zodiac or Era. Few play UN.
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All PC servers need to remove observer mode...period....Graal cannot grow with this in place. You cant even test out the server enough before you decide if you want to shovel out 50 dollars for a subscription.

Zodiac and Era are on the right track...GK as well (I think?). Now all the other servers need to follow suite.
But you cant just stop there, there needs to be some incentive to subscribe. I know theres something on Zodiac, dunno bout the rest, I don't play those servers.

iPhone Graal actually did something right. The game was free. You could download, and play.
If you wanted to, you could pay a couple dollars to customize your outfit, get a home, w/e.
Then it just seems after that Stefan/Unixmad started to take advantage of the players and started slapping price tags on everything...which is why this thread was created in the first place...

Even that is not horrible...companies do that all the time. Allow something for free for a while, then put a price on it.
However, they usually do this after they tell customers, and put a reasonable price on it.
If Google began charging for the space you use in Gmail, i'm sure it would happen overnight, and it would be priced at 20$ per GB.

(Actually, if you used the rate iPhone graal is using [12(ish)kb shield upload is 1$] a single GB would be roughly 83,333$. What a steal!)
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