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Old 07-19-2008, 05:42 AM
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Scripting Help?

For pete sake, what is so wrong with players asking for help.. Seriously its okay for a newbie LAT to ask for help on his/her level but god forbid someone trying to actually learn and develop for Graal has a question.. Everyone has a reply of a quote about the forum rules about it..

I really think it should be changed.. If the player needs help.. give it to him, if you don't want to help him/her, simply ignore it and don't post.

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1. Be clear on your ability level. In other words, do not post asking for scripts, or asking people to fix scripts that are above your ability level. If you are writing a script to aid learning, then try writing a simpler script. If you are looking for a script for a server, then the best solution is probably to hire a scripter.

2. Similarly, do not just post whole scripts for people as a response to their difficulties. If you wish to post a wordy solution, then please feel free; however, please do not post things that people can just copy and paste. It isn't helping people to learn just by doing so. If you'd like to show off your scripts to others, post them in the Code Gallery subforum.
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:54 AM
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I think it's to help with your learning. No free scripts so you figure it out yourself.

btw, I learned how to script from nothing by the predefined NPCs, and then refined it through reading posts here. That was before i even had a p2p account.

Best way to learn would be to read the guides posted by other users. If you're not willing to learn that way, then it's pretty obvious that you just want everything done for you.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:00 AM
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Helping is one thing, people asking for whole scripts is another.
There are good reasons for those rules
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:00 AM
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I know but still, they SHOULD be helped..

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Helping is one thing, people asking for whole scripts is another.
There are good reasons for those rules
Yeah agreed.. but most people think if they ask a question that they need help on.. they think they're giving them the script..
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:03 AM
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I learned by going through the old level pack that used to be provided with Graal and messing with scripts. I loved my little beer mug boomerang...

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Old 07-19-2008, 06:07 AM
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People who ask for scripts are just going to use them; they don't try to learn off of them.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:08 AM
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I'd ask for a completed script so I could see how you made it. Then I'd be able to learn from it.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:15 AM
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Well usually if it's something simple I'll script it for them even though it's against the rules to ask, but if it's a complex system and I know they just want it for their server and they're not even going to learn off of it then they can forget it. Sadly I've been negative repped quite a few times just for helping people like that.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:22 AM
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Seriously, I had a door and a light to go off of. With that, and the commands listed on the side, I learned most of GS1. Took me until I started posting and reading threads here to understand the serverside thing.
Now, I don't think that's a good way to learn, the best would be to read the guides.

The rules were put in place so that people wouldn't just steal scripts and not learn from them. Maybe someone will be nice and PM you one, but what's so hard about reading the guides? They're a lot better than trying to learn from other peoples scripts. If you ask for a script, it's probably because you plan to use it.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:23 AM
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There are plenty of scripts to learn from in the Code Gallery.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:11 AM
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It really is up to the community to provide the resources for the new guys. Either via the Wiki or other (like my page), its the only way new people can learn.
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:21 AM
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//Created by Aeko (Clockwork) and no one else.
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I got this far, but I can't figure out how to finish it to make it an online level editor with support for a custom tileset with support for layers. Finish it please?
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Old 07-19-2008, 10:12 AM
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I got this far, but I can't figure out how to finish it to make it an online level editor with support for a custom tileset with support for layers. Finish it please?
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Mine's this far:
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function onCreated() {
  
makeStuff();

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Old 07-19-2008, 01:50 PM
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I have no issue whatsoever with using pseudocode to demonstrate a point, neither do I have any issue with people explaining every excruciating detail on how to do something. What I do object to is people who expect others to do the work for them, which is why those two rules are there. If we just paste a full script, we don't know if it will just get copied, pasted and used with no further observation - in which case, nothing learned, nothing gained. In that case, it would have been better for someone to have hired a scripter for their server instead of using someone else's time for your own means. Similarly, people posting very long scripts and asking people to fix them doesn't help the situation either, since you should be taking it steps at a time and trying to understand small sections. Walking before you run. People should be learning the routine steps of scripting. For instance, a lot of posts in the scripting forum would be resolved if people would just learn to read the wiki or /scripthelp in RC.

There's a big difference between asking "Can someone explain how to X?" which is acceptable, and "Can someone do Y for me?" which isn't. If you feel that you need some reference material to look at, then there is plenty of scripting in the code gallery to browse (although you may need to tweak the forum settings to show posts further in the past to see more), and there are documents on the Graal Bible also. I really don't see it necessary to change the rules.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:24 PM
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I don't want the rules changed, I think making it a little bit more clear would be a bit better Skyld.
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