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Old 08-07-2012, 10:34 PM
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Flame me if you wish :P, but honestly as bad as this looks, I'm sure Gabriel had a reason for doing this. Through the time I've worked with him on Era, sure he's done things that I didn't agree with, but he's always had good intentions for doing so. More often than not, his decisions have helped the success of the server in the long run. In this case there is obviously something more going on than what you guys are seeing.
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Flame me if you wish :P, but honestly as bad as this looks, I'm sure Gabriel had a reason for doing this. Through the time I've worked with him on Era, sure he's done things that I didn't agree with, but he's always had good intentions for doing so. More often than not, his decisions have helped the success of the server in the long run. In this case there is obviously something more going on than what you guys are seeing.
If that's true, then why hasn't he given us all of the information? He's just damaging the PWA's reputation even more so.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:37 PM
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If that's true, then why hasn't he given us all of the information? He's just damaging the PWA's reputation even more so.
Obviously because that information is confidential between the PWA's and the people involved.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:39 PM
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Obviously because that information is confidential between the PWA's and the people involved.
I don't see how it could be confidential. As far as we can see, there's been an unjust removal of a perfectly good manager from Graal's most successful RPG server.
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Obviously because that information is confidential between the PWA's and the people involved.

considering it's affecting a whole server, it's just a bunch of bullshit they got rid of him just because of triple she's basically talking **** as it is.

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:42 PM
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Obviously because that information is confidential between the PWA's and the people involved.
There was zero discussion with Jerret about his removal. Is that information confidential between just the PWA elite then? I emailed Sinkler and the others only to get a canned non-reply to my queries, others have got the same. It feels like they aren't even trying.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:56 PM
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Flame me if you wish :P, but honestly as bad as this looks, I'm sure Gabriel had a reason for doing this. Through the time I've worked with him on Era, sure he's done things that I didn't agree with, but he's always had good intentions for doing so. More often than not, his decisions have helped the success of the server in the long run. In this case there is obviously something more going on than what you guys are seeing.
Hmm, were you forced to post this? Blink twice for yes, don't worry, they can't hurt you. I know there has been a history with Gabriel and controlling Era staff members.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:02 PM
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Hmm, were you forced to post this? Blink twice for yes, don't worry, they can't hurt you. I know there has been a history with Gabriel and controlling Era staff members.
I'm blinking on behalf of Zach!(MonkeyBob), who has gone into witness protection.

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Old 08-07-2012, 11:10 PM
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Flame me if you wish :P, but honestly as bad as this looks, I'm sure Gabriel had a reason for doing this. Through the time I've worked with him on Era, sure he's done things that I didn't agree with, but he's always had good intentions for doing so. More often than not, his decisions have helped the success of the server in the long run. In this case there is obviously something more going on than what you guys are seeing.
Then perhaps he should share this reason with us instead of just blocking the community out, especially when Fp4 himself has denied there being a major reason.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:37 PM
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Look! The man at work, putting us down. Sinkler deleting messages in the fray, which was the obvious reason! Who got a peek at the true scoop?
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:42 PM
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It was not an easy decision to remove Jerret. There's no denying that he is, in some limited sense, an asset to the community. However, it was a decision that we reached (unanimously, I might add) after discussing it for months.

The decision about his removal was not over one issue (like this triple_combo stuff). It was over a series of issues over an extended period of time. Fowlplay4's public behavior has been increasingly poor over the years, especially in the last year. Need I also remind you that he has been permanently banned from the official GraalOnline forums for repeated poor behavior (this was before his removal)? We have history of him asking people sexually charged, highly inappropriate questions in public, we've seen a degree of harassment from him, and on top of this, we asked him to stop multiple times.

In fact, I remember back on March 4th (yes, that's nearly half a year ago), warning Jerret that if he cannot improve his behavior, especially on the official forums, we do not want him staying in his position. In fact, I said these words to him exactly
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I expect this kind of public behavior to stop immediately.
He agreed to stop, and then continued misbehaving. Posting things on the forums like "I'm pretty hard right now" and "hey bayne vvat does thor's loads taste like?"

We warned him again by banning him from the forums for 31 days. He returned to the forums starting threads like "MD is garbage" (taking shots at MysticalDragon on Delteria) saying things like
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also so is galdor, he's mega garbage.
and posting things in other un-related topics like "hey galdor wat do my nutz taste like *****" (these are direct quotes).

And many of you have brought up triple_combo (who is in no way at fault here), where Gabriel asked Zodiac for proper proof for having banned him/her. Gabriel was only doing his job -- something he would've done for any of you -- by making sure Zodiac had full indisputable evidence to be banning someone for life. They did not have proper proof, so Gabriel removed the ban and in order to spite Gabriel, fowlplay4's administration placed a trade restriction on triple_combo, essentially rendering the game unplayable. This is unacceptable to do to paying customers for essentially no reason. Gabriel approached me about the situation and then proceeded to ask fowlplay4 to remove the trade restriction if he/she was not suspected of actively breaking any rules. Fowlplay4 removed the trade restriction, but decided to reset triple_combo as a retaliatory response to Gabriel's persistence. Quite frankly, I don't care if you're the king of the world, we do not accept this kind of behavior from managers. We saw bias coming from fowlplay4's administration not only in this sense but in others as well.

Let me reassure anyone who is in doubt that this was NOT an impulsive decision. It was well thought-out, planned, and long talked about among the PWA. Triple_combo is only the tip of the iceberg as to why Fowlplay4 was removed, and he/she is certainly not the primary reasoning. Jerret had plenty of warning, plenty of chances to improve, and plenty of opportunity. I know none of you ever claimed to know the whole story, but please keep in mind that there is always more to the story than what you can see. Obviously I do not want to discuss Fowlplay4's entire rap sheet because I find it disrespectful to do so, but he is in no way some angel that you all have painted him to be.
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