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Old 08-08-2012, 12:32 AM
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So your definition of a good manager is somebody from the server, somebody who can deal with players professionally and somebody who has a decemt knowledge of development. It seems Jerret ticks only two of the three boxes you've layed out here.
just stop. you're making yourself look like a complete idiot.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:32 AM
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Ridiculous. Unprofessional behaviour gets you out-right removed while absolute corruption gets you a pat on the wrist. Brilliant logic.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:32 AM
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So wait, buying a new account to use when your other one is banned is acceptable behavior? I thought that was "ban evasion".
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:33 AM
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So your definition of a good manager is somebody from the server, somebody who can deal with players professionally and somebody who has a decemt knowledge of development. It seems Jerret ticks only two of the three boxes you've layed out here.
Jerret is VERY professional when dealing with the zodia community. Actions on the forums don't necesarilly reflect how he acts on zodiac, even people who don't like him will agree that he takes his position seriously and is always willing to work with the community.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:34 AM
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So unbelievably wrong. Extensive knowledge of the past, present, and planned future of the server you're managing is an extremely vital aspect to being a proper Manager. I would not trust someone who has been on the server for 2 years or less in a Managerial position.
I know a fantastic example of a manager that has had no prior knowledge of the server they're managing and is doing an outstanding job of managing the server and has been doing it since January 2012. Novo has been doing an amazing job with limited knowledge of Delteria's past. I agree that once they're in a managerial position, they should make an effort to get to know the server they're working for though.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:34 AM
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Soooo, Sinkler... Are you going to "Train" the new Manager of Zodiac until you see fit, like you've done to Era?

P.S. Love your forum avatar btw, soooo fitting for your involvement as a "PWA".
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:35 AM
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I think a lot of people misunderstand the level of professionalism a manager of a classic server should hold in public light. This applies to any situation with a leader, not just on Graal.

Although I do agree given the amount of work and effort I've heard he has put into Zodiac (never really paid attention to this server), he should have been put on temporary suspension at the most, and not upright removal.

Also, lol at bringing Absolut_crono into this. The people who mention Unholy Nation do not realize that not one manager has done anything positive for UN in years.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:36 AM
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Well, PWA, you hear what all your developers and staff want. Are you going to give it to them?
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:38 AM
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I know a fantastic example of a manager that has had no prior knowledge of the server they're managing and is doing an outstanding job of managing the server and has been doing it since January 2012. Novo has been doing an amazing job with limited knowledge of Delteria's past. I agree that once they're in a managerial position, they should make an effort to get to know the server they're working for though.
I'm not saying it's impossible for something like that to happen, Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying, it would be usefull for a manage to know what they're managing.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:38 AM
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Rufus, nobody is preventing Jerret from developing on Zodiac. For now, we ask that he only works on the dev server if he insists on working, but we are in no way telling him he's not allowed to develop for Zodiac, just as we did not actively stop Chris and Seeya from working when they were banned because they were behaving under their new accounts (which they paid for). It's not really comparable at all because Jerret was removed for entirely different reasons, and he was not banned from the game.

Furthermore, don't clump Vinka in as part of GK iPhone's staff. Vinka was fired from GK iPhone for his poor behavior on the forums (posting the porn, etc) and globally banned. We handle every situation on a case-by-case basis and we always try to be as fair as we can, obviously we can't make everyone happy, but you're really blowing it into more than it is. If this is going to turn into a thread about this, I'm going to close it.
You sound like you're just making up rules now. Since when were people allowed to evade and work on servers when they're globally banned? According to the code of conduct, 'Users whose accounts have been terminated by any Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs himself may not access the Graal Online system in any manner or for any reason without the express written permission of Cyberjoueur'. Moreover, if Jerret has a history of 'asking people sexually charged, highly inappropriate questions in public' and there has been 'a degree of harassment from him' then why would he be allowed to work on Zodiac at all? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

I don't agree with the hypocritical nature that you seem to work in favor of yourself and the projects that you work on. You might think it is acceptable to make Jerret out to be some big bad that the PWA had to remove, but based on how you've allowed people (namely those within your circle of friends) to get away with much worse, I do not know how you expect anyone to take this seriously. I can only assume that you'll throw in that Jerret was a manager and thus is expected to have acted in a more professional way than what your buddies were doing. If he was actually doing his job though, which he clearly was, wouldn't it have better served THIS case to have left him banned from the forums?
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:45 AM
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I think a lot of people misunderstand the level of professionalism a manager of a classic server should hold in public light. This applies to any situation with a leader, not just on Graal.
We don't have the luxury of being so picky on Graal. The development pool is very limited, and we can't afford to scare off the best developers because of minor forum spats. The good Jer did for the server far outweighs any of the unprofessionalism.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:46 AM
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I'm not saying it's impossible for something like that to happen, Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying, it would be usefull for a manage to know what they're managing.
I couldn't agree more, but I'm saying that I don't believe that having a load of prior server knowledge should be mandatory.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:48 AM
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Rufus is on point, Tig you're just making up new rules as you go. (and enforcing them on non-friends)
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:51 AM
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If what we've all been told by non-PWAs is true, I'd really like to see Tig's explanation as to why Triple_Combo shouldn't have been punished for CSTing and USDing.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:52 AM
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I know a fantastic example of a manager that has had no prior knowledge of the server they're managing and is doing an outstanding job of managing the server and has been doing it since January 2012. Novo has been doing an amazing job with limited knowledge of Delteria's past. I agree that once they're in a managerial position, they should make an effort to get to know the server they're working for though.
Don't really think you can compare the two here. There's a pretty big difference between managing a dev server that trying to reinvent itself anyways and managing a server with a history that's actively trying to maintain a player count.
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