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Old 04-11-2010, 08:52 PM
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You're basing all of this off of the current situation of Valikorlia. Back when we voted for Omake to be manager, we had a playercount 2 or 3 times greater than the one we have now on our best days, even eclipsing UN every now and then. We also had a smaller staff team than we have now. So, no, most of the players were not staff members.
I'm pretty sure Val had a pop of ~40 then. And even during this time it was a very close playerbase.

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Also, just to reiterate, our playercount was considerably larger during that time, right up there with the current average playercounts of Zodiac and Era. So it can be done for 'medium-large' scale servers. The players simply have to know what they want and the people running for manager have to be able to deliver.
For some reason I doubt this, because I do not remember Val holding such a high playercount during this time period. I do remember the boost of players once the worldmap was re-done but I'm pretty sure Omake was manager then. Anyways, Valikorlia's playerbase was always very closed and I'm 100% sure the vast majority of those who took part in the election weren't clueless dolts. I'm quite confident a pretty big number of them have had staff experience and played the server for a while. Compare this to UN/Era/Zodiac's players and you'll see why an election system just wont work.

Staff positions aren't a democratic thing anyway. It's why you don't vote for your police chiefs, firemen, mcdonalds owners, etc.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:30 PM
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure Val had a pop of ~40 then. And even during this time it was a very close playerbase.
Yes. The playercount was anywhere from 40-60 (about the same as UN and Era today -- not Zodiac, that was a mistake), as compared its pitiful 20-30 now (on its best days). That would make Valikorlia, at the time of elections, a 'medium'-sized server.

I don't know what you mean by 'close', though. If by close you mean we argued over masses, then yeah, we were all 'close'.

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For some reason I doubt this, because I do not remember Val holding such a high playercount during this time period.
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Anyways, Valikorlia's playerbase was always very closed and I'm 100% sure the vast majority of those who took part in the election weren't clueless dolts. I'm quite confident a pretty big number of them have had staff experience and played the server for a while. Compare this to UN/Era/Zodiac's players and you'll see why an election system just wont work.
It doesn't matter how close or how smart the players are. What matters is if the people running for manager are capable, reliable, responsible, etc. You should have a situation where the server would be just fine no matter who would be elected, where the election is just a matter of what direction the players want the server to go.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:55 PM
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It doesn't matter how close or how smart the players are. What matters is if the people running for manager are capable, reliable, responsible, etc. You should have a situation where the server would be just fine no matter who would be elected, where the election is just a matter of what direction the players want the server to go.
And I'm saying that on servers like UN/Zodiac/Era the majority of the players wouldn't know a "capable, reliable, responsible, etc" manager. It turns into a popularity contest instead. Valikorlians know better, if a complete **** person was running for manager he wouldn't get through.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:15 PM
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And I'm saying that on servers like UN/Zodiac/Era the majority of the players wouldn't know a "capable, reliable, responsible, etc" manager. It turns into a popularity contest instead. Valikorlians know better, if a complete **** person was running for manager he wouldn't get through.
I've been arguing under the assumption that PWAs wouldn't let complete nutjobs run for manager.
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I've been arguing under the assumption that PWAs wouldn't let complete nutjobs run for manager.
who r teh pwa to decide who is good and bad?!?! LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE!!
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:27 PM
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who r teh pwa to decide who is good and bad?!?! LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE!!
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Pretty much one of the most stupid and reckless things that could ever be done to a Classic server.
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