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Old 06-22-2010, 07:14 PM
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I doubt it.. it's not like anything was getting done with Soala in charge.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:23 PM
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This is what Hell Raven had to say...
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His performance was deemed less than satisfactory, by the PWA, whom control the GDT
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I think it's a really terrible job by the PWA to demote Soala with
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  • no notice when actually demoted
And then release a one paragraph post, essentially lighting the house on fire.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:25 PM
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Would be great if someone would just light the GDT on fire and let it burn. Way too much drama for absolutely nothing done.
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I think it's a really terrible job by the PWA to demote Soala with
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And then release a one paragraph post, essentially lighting the house on fire.
Seems to be a habit that the PWA has
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Would be great if someone would just light the GDT on fire and let it burn. Way too much drama for absolutely nothing done.
hmmm i love the irc it's very helpful and it's great to talk too. I know Ben and HR will do good
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:51 PM
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:16 PM
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hmmm i love the irc it's very helpful and it's great to talk too. I know Ben and HR will do good
Unless you're me, in which case you get kicked thrice for discussing how the GDT has yet to produce results.

Don't get me wrong, I have hopes with someone like HR in charge (I don't know Ben), but I can't say my expectations are at that level.


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Old 06-22-2010, 09:18 PM
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I'd like to clear a couple things up here. The GDT was going nowhere fast. Many of the valued members had already quit although had not been removed from the roster. More and more server managers/developers were complaining that outside of the irc channel they really couldn't get any help when they really needed it. The scripters seemed to be the most helpful and available.

Soala tried his best but life just got in the way of him being able to do anything in a timely manner. In his chosen expertise as Graphics he should have the time to help in. Calling this a demotion actually annoys the [insert expletive here] since the GDT aren't ranked, they are just put into specialties.

The PWA discussed the matter and at first we were just going to disband the GDT. Those people that offer help can do so with or without the guild. Stefan then mentioned that he had given the GDT the ability to edit the wiki. Something that none of us that I've spoke to were even aware of. Hell Raven offered the services of himself and Ben (whom I contacted to make sure he knew he was being volunteered) to reorganize and run the GDT. Skyld, whom has GST will be the team administrator but Hell Raven and Ben will be doing all the planning/job coordination/hiring/firing and the list goes on.

The PWA will no longer have a role in the GDT other than as advisors if they request it of us. This may seem sudden to all of you since the rumors of the changes hadn't actually got to the public or the GDT prior to the change but it really wasn't sudden at all. We've been discussing how to 'fix' the problem for some time now.

If you wish to lay blame on anyone for the suddenness then blame me. I set up this nightmare to begin with so I'd prefer the entire PWA is not blamed for any problems its had over the time. I've now turned over the entire thing to those that have the expertise in the development field and will back away completely.
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I think it's a good idea, with the right people in control I think it'll be great.
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The GDT was going nowhere slowly.
It's been what, a year? Why not rename it the wiki team and ask members if they want to stay to help the wiki or leave.

No point in keeping it the global development team if the only reason you didn't disband it was for the wiki.
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Why do you need a wiki team? Anyone can edit it. It doesn't take long to go through some list like this and fill in descriptions and help quite a few people out.
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i like the GDT

they get to take all the flak while the PWA sit there doing nothing but support jobs :3
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Old 06-22-2010, 10:22 PM
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I'd like to clear a couple things up here. The GDT was going nowhere fast. Many of the valued members had already quit although had not been removed from the roster. More and more server managers/developers were complaining that outside of the irc channel they really couldn't get any help when they really needed it. The scripters seemed to be the most helpful and available.

Soala tried his best but life just got in the way of him being able to do anything in a timely manner. In his chosen expertise as Graphics he should have the time to help in. Calling this a demotion actually annoys the [insert expletive here] since the GDT aren't ranked, they are just put into specialties.

The PWA discussed the matter and at first we were just going to disband the GDT. Those people that offer help can do so with or without the guild. Stefan then mentioned that he had given the GDT the ability to edit the wiki. Something that none of us that I've spoke to were even aware of. Hell Raven offered the services of himself and Ben (whom I contacted to make sure he knew he was being volunteered) to reorganize and run the GDT. Skyld, whom has GST will be the team administrator but Hell Raven and Ben will be doing all the planning/job coordination/hiring/firing and the list goes on.

The PWA will no longer have a role in the GDT other than as advisors if they request it of us. This may seem sudden to all of you since the rumors of the changes hadn't actually got to the public or the GDT prior to the change but it really wasn't sudden at all. We've been discussing how to 'fix' the problem for some time now.

If you wish to lay blame on anyone for the suddenness then blame me. I set up this nightmare to begin with so I'd prefer the entire PWA is not blamed for any problems its had over the time. I've now turned over the entire thing to those that have the expertise in the development field and will back away completely.
seems pretty rude that you didn't even include soala in the discussion on how to "fix" the problem. Maybe you simply telling him he needed to step up his game would have caused none of this to happen? Im sure we don't know all the details, but just saying for the future
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Old 06-22-2010, 10:25 PM
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seems pretty rude that you didn't even include soala in the discussion on how to "fix" the problem. Maybe you simply telling him he needed to step up his game would have caused none of this to happen? Im sure we don't know all the details, but just saying for the future
how can he "step up his game" when the GDT is useless in the first place? writing for the wiki is an individualistic job, so unless soala personally wrote a bunch of wiki pages, i doubt they could really "step it up" anymore than they currently do. idling in the IRC and answering questions seems to be their biggest forte
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